So as far as Satterfield, now what are your feelings?

[GoCocksFight2021]

Here's the truth that nobody wants to believe or admit.

I see people talking about hiring an "elite" OC. That is a joke. Literally ZERO chance of that happening. Any "elite" OC has MUCH BETTER options that us. Period. More money. Better talent. More NIL from boosters. From quite a few schools. We wouldn't even be in the top 10 for those guys. USC is not an easy sell for those type of coaches. This isn't opinion. It's fact. We have seen it. Coaches would rather wait it out at lesser programs than gamble their careers here. That's just reality.

So, cry about firing Satt if you want, but we could very easily end up in a situation that is no better, and a good chance it could be worse. Or, we could give the guy that just delivered arguably the best offensive performance in school history a little time to see what shakes out.

 

[Robhawk29]

To late in the season to change up now. Repeat performances vs clumpsun and bowl game as we saw vs Tenn and you would almost have to ride with him into next season. If we fall flat and are no where close to the Tenn. game production then it's time for a change. IMO

 

[bucketdad]

To late in the season to change up now. Repeat performances vs clumpsun and bowl game as we saw vs Tenn and you would almost have to ride with him into next season. If we fall flat and are no where close to the Tenn. game production then it's time for a change. IMO

It really is that simple imo.

 

[Lurker123]

If you are going to cry about bad performances against Vandy and OOC patsies like last year, you have to give credit when the team performs FAR better against those teams this year. Against those, absolutely undisputable improvement. Ask Florida about winning against Vandy and TAMU about OOC panties.

And I wasn't including TAMU as a good performance. Arkansas absolutely was good performance. A game we could have won if the defense didn't blow it.

And given the our 5 star RB has been gimpy for much of the season after a bad injury last season, and our pre-season Heisman hopeful lost that title long before he came here, those talking points aren't really indicative of our available talent.

The results: Yes, they speak for themselves. A record setting performance that even Spurrier himself couldn't deliver. All 2 years out from two terrible seasons.

You can brag all you want about beating patsies. Just don't be surprised when others don't go along.

Same goes for scoring two garbage time touchdowns in a blowout.

 

[Lurker123]

To late in the season to change up now. Repeat performances vs clumpsun and bowl game as we saw vs Tenn and you would almost have to ride with him into next season. If we fall flat and are no where close to the Tenn. game production then it's time for a change. IMO

This.

Again I'll say that you don't change coordinators mid season, imo. But we are in deep trouble if we give yet another extension to an underperforming OC and justify it by pointing to ONE game. (No matter how good that one game was)

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

To late in the season to change up now. Repeat performances vs clumpsun and bowl game as we saw vs Tenn and you would almost have to ride with him into next season. If we fall flat and are no where close to the Tenn. game production then it's time for a change. IMO

You expect 60+ points every game?

Really?

Against teams like Clemson or a solid bowl opponent?

Really?

That's not reasonable by any stretch of the imagination for any team.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

This.

Again I'll say that you don't change coordinators mid season, imo. But we are in deep trouble if we give yet another extension to an underperforming OC and justify it by pointing to ONE game. (No matter how good that one game was)

Nobody is justifying it of one game. We've had numerous good games on offense this year, whether you want to admit or count them or not.

I can guarantee you that Beamer thinks it's more than one game, and his opinion is what counts most.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

You can brag all you want about beating patsies. Just don't be surprised when others don't go along.

Same goes for scoring two garbage time touchdowns in a blowout.

It's not bragging. It's part of the "body of work" everyone seems so concerned about now that Satt delivered against a top team in a big way.

Sorry, you can't have the "body of work" and just throw out the part of that body that don't fit your agenda.

 

[Lurker123]

Nobody is justifying it of one game. We've had numerous good games on offense this year, whether you want to admit or count them or not.

I can guarantee you that Beamer thinks it's more than one game, and his opinion is what counts most.

I could clarify by saying one real game and a bunch of patsies, but I assumed most people would understand that's implied.

 

[Lurker123]

It's not bragging. It's part of the "body of work" everyone seems so concerned about now that Satt delivered against a top team in a big way.

Sorry, you can't have the "body of work" and just throw out the part of that body that don't fit your agenda.

Isn't that what you're doing though? A few patsies and one good game and youre suddenly forgetting all the struggles in the other games?

 

[DeeDave]

Against Clemson is not going to prove a whole lot. Their defense is a totally different level than Tennessee.


I expect we play pretty decently but I am not judging a coach on a game against a top 10 Clemson team at their place- a team that has owned up for 100 years.

The fact is, with all the crap, we've won 7 games this year in the regular season. Lots of teams out there would like to have 7 wins with a chance at 8.

 

[Lurker123]

You expect 60+ points every game?

Really?

Against teams like Clemson or a solid bowl opponent?

Really?

That's not reasonable by any stretch of the imagination for any team.

This is where I think arguments are created on purpose for the sense of drama.

Any normal poster not looking to argue can read "repeat performance" and not necessarily assume he means 60+ points a game, but simply an aggressive, effective offense.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

I could clarify by saying one real game and a bunch of patsies, but I assumed most people would understand that's implied.

It's not "one real game and a bunch of patsies" either. You don't have to score 50 points every game to have a good offensive game. Scoring 24 on Kentucky was a good performance. Scoring 30 on Arkansas was a good performance. It was a 5 point game in the middle of the 3rd. Then the defense laid down and the offense couldn't keep up.

And again, ask Florida and TAMU about patsies. I'm sure Beamer thinks they count.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Isn't that what you're doing though? A few patsies and one good game and youre suddenly forgetting all the struggles in the other games?

No, the assertion was "one good game". I simply stated that wasn't true.

 

[Lurker123]

And again, ask Florida and TAMU about patsies. I'm sure Beamer thinks they count.

Again, this is misinterpreting comments on purpose just to generate drama.

Patsy wins count, or else we would never go to a bowl. (Note that "never" is an exaggeration, no need to start arguing that).

The idea is that its hard to take credit for pounding outmatched, hapless opponents. At least its hard for people who don't need those patsy wins to back up the one other good game.

 

[Lurker123]

No, the assertion was "one good game". I simply stated that wasn't true.

That is certainly an opinion.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

That is certainly an opinion.

Fortunately, I'm sure the one opinion that matter most agrees.

 

[Lurker123]

Fortunately, I'm sure the one opinion that matter most agrees.

That is also a matter of opinion.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

That is also a matter of opinion.

I guess we will see.

 

[Lurker123]

I guess we will see.

On that we agree.

 

[alston]

If we score 28 plus against Clemson, I will consider that success. Their D is legit and much better than TN. If we score in the 30s i think we win the game. Clemson isn’t a quick strike offense. Let’s see if we lay an egg like FL or are competitive. I have no clue what will happen and neither do you. Rattler will get hit a lot in this game. Let’s see if he can get up and keep the chains moving. This will be a big boy football game. Unfortunately we haven’t played well against teams that run the ball (see FL). we need to max protect, keep SPencer’s reads to two receivers and slip a back out for a check down. If we don’t do that then Satt doesn’t have a clue.

 

[Lurker123]

If we score 28 plus against Clemson, I will consider that success. Their D is legit and much better than TN. If we score in the 30s i think we win the game. Clemson isn’t a quick strike offense. Let’s see if we lay an egg like FL or are competitive. I have no clue what will happen and neither do you. Rattler will get hit a lot in this game. Let’s see if he can get up and keep the chains moving. This will be a big boy football game. Unfortunately we haven’t played well against teams that run the ball (see FL). we need to max protect, keep SPencer’s reads to two receivers and slip a back out for a check down. If we don’t do that then Satt doesn’t have a clue.

Good summation. It's nitpicking, but one thing I would add is that 28 points would be great, but if one or more scores come at the end if an already decided game, I would have a hard time celebrating it.

 

[alston]

Good summation. It's nitpicking, but one thing I would add is that 28 points would be great, but if one or more scores come at the end if an already decided game, I would have a hard time celebrating it.

Yeah I agree with that. Scoring in mop up time doesn’t count

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Well, it counts if it fits an agenda. Several have counted mop up point that are scored by a little team against a common opponent of ours in order to bash our offense.

 

[Lurker123]

Well, it counts if it fits an agenda. Several have counted mop up point that are scored by a little team against a common opponent of ours in order to bash our offense.

You should go tell those people then. Because as I recall, you argued that garbage time DIDN'T count then. It would be odd to try and count it now, unless your goal was just to keep arguing.

(And I'll head off your next whine, I said it was bad that those small teams scored more with the garbage time, or the same without it, than our offense did. Maybe you meant someone else though)

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

You should go tell those people then. Because as I recall, you argued that garbage time DIDN'T count then. It would be odd to try and count it now.

(And I'll head off your next whine, I said it was bad that those small teams scored more with the garbage time, or the same without it, than our offense did.)

Yes, I did. But it wasn't based on garbage "time". It was based on who was on the field. Against little teams, plenty of backups are in for much of the second half. In the example you wanted to discredit, Arkansas, it was still a 5 point game going into the 4th quarter, and they still had their starters in. Big difference that anybody should see.

 

[Lurker123]

Yes, I did. But it wasn't based on garbage "time". It was based on who was on the field. Against little teams, plenty of backups are in for much of the second half. In the example you wanted to discredit, Arkansas, it was still a 5 point game going into the 4th quarter, and they still had their starters in. Big difference that anybody should see.

When backups are in? I think you're splitting hairs on what is garbage time and what isn't, just to keep arguing.

As for Arkansas, the second to last td came with 6 minutes left when we were down by 3 scores. They quickly answered and we scored the last td with 3 minutes left when we were down by 3 scores.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

When backups are in? I think you're splitting hairs on what is garbage time and what isn't, just to keep arguing.

As for Arkansas, the second to last td came with 6 minutes left when we were down by 3 scores. They quickly answered and we scored the last td with 3 minutes left when we were down by 3 scores.

Nope. That wasn't "garbage" time. We got the ball back with a minute and a half. Plenty of teams have won in that situation before. NC State beat UNC in a similar situation at the end of the season last year. Arkansas was still playing their starters and they were trying to stop our offense the entire 4th quarter.

 

[bucketdad]

CU's secondary is just as weak as the Vol's. Those two teams have had a suspect secondary all year. Very little difference in the two. Both's Achilles heels. Now we get to see whether we can come up with a plan to somehow counter the tater D Line... which is much better than UT's. If Satt can manage that and keep us somewhat productive, he would have built on last weekend's success imo. Win or lose.
Right now, our recievers and QB have some confidence they should be able to build on. The ball is in the O Line's court. And it might very well have Satt's future attached to it imo.

 

[Lurker123]

Nope. That wasn't "garbage" time. We got the ball back with a minute and a half. Plenty of teams have won in that situation before. NC State beat UNC in a similar situation at the end of the season last year. Arkansas was still playing their starters and they were trying to stop our offense the entire 4th quarter.

Both of the last two scores came in the final minutes while down three scores. Not all their starters were in, and they were playing prevent to kill the clock. It is the definition of garbage time to most people. But I concede that you will never accept that because it goes against your agenda.

 

[Lurker123]

CU's secondary is just as weak as the Vol's. Those two teams have had a suspect secondary all year. Very little difference in the two. Both's Achilles heels. Now we get to see whether we can come up with a plan to somehow counter the tater D Line... which is much better than UT's. If Satt can manage that and keep us somewhat productive, he would have built on last weekend's success imo. Win or lose.
Right now, our recievers and QB have some confidence they should be able to build on. The ball is in the O Line's court. And it might very well have Satt's future attached to it imo.

Cu's is ranked 51st in yardage UT's is ranked 130th (out of 131) , with about 100 yards per game difference.

(Edit: I was curious if the 100 yards was a big spread, and clemson is 30 yards per game away from having a top 15 backfield. So the 100 yard spread is big, imo)

I get that Clemsons dbs are not a strength for that team, but I think it's wishful thinking to say they are just as bad as UT.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Both of the last two scores came in the final minutes while down three scores. Not all their starters were in, and they were playing prevent to kill the clock. It is the definition of garbage time to most people. But I concede that you will never accept that because it goes against your agenda.

No, it's not. Garbage time is when the game is completely out of reach and mostly backups getting playing time. That was not the case against Arkansas. The last score brought us within 12 point, and we forced them to punt and had the ball back. And like I said, every coach out there knows they could still lose. They had just seen that by NC State vs UNC. Both those TDs were against a legit defense. The only issue is that our defense couldn't get a stop.

 

[Lurker123]

No, it's not. Garbage time is when the game is completely out of reach and mostly backups getting playing time. That was not the case against Arkansas. The last score brought us within 12 point, and we forced them to punt and had the ball back. And like I said, every coach out there knows they could still lose. They had just seen that by NC State vs UNC. Both those TDs were against a legit defense. The only issue is that our defense couldn't get a stop.

Both of the last two scores came in the final minutes while down three scores. Not all their starters were in, and they were playing prevent to kill the clock. It is the definition of garbage time to most people. But I concede that you will never accept that because it goes against your agenda.

 

[gamecockengineer2011]

One thing I noticed is that Rattler sat in the pocket and went through his progressions against Tennessee and good things happened. It also sounds like we ran the same few plays over and over as well. I think that was the first game we've had here with Rattler where he finally was living up to the hype.

I was re-watching the game against Texas A&M and he kept trying to leave the pocket for no reason and would go towards pressure. He did the same shit against Missouri and Florida we got killed in those games.

I think someone got with him and told him to sit in the pocket and trust his arm talent and boy did it pay off.

 

[Robhawk29]

Well one thing is for sure, we know this offense can score points. No excuses for this coming Saturday now.

 

[bucketdad]

Cu's is ranked 51st in yardage UT's is ranked 130th (out of 131) , with about 100 yards per game difference.

(Edit: I was curious if the 100 yards was a big spread, and clemson is 30 yards per game away from having a top 15 backfield. So the 100 yard spread is big, imo)

I get that Clemsons dbs are not a strength for that team, but I think it's wishful thinking to say they are just as bad as UT.

I would argue the stats dont tell the whole story. CU imo, hasnt played near the competition that UT has. CU is gonna be ranked higher because of it. The two may be closer than you think. Arguably of course. When I watch the two, I see two teams with blown coverages, big cushions and being out jumped on jump balls.
I wish I could say we will be the gauge of that. But I ain't going there. Too often we follow a good game with a bad

 

[Lurker123]

I would argue the stats dont tell the whole story. CU imo, hasnt played near the competition that UT has. CU is gonna be ranked higher because of it. The two may be closer than you think. Arguably of course. When I watch the two, I see two teams with blown coverages, big cushions and being out jumped on jump balls.
I wish I could say we will be the gauge of that. But I ain't going there. Too often we follow a good game with a bad

Ha, true.

I agree that stats don't always tell the whole story. I just think, and it's purely opinion, that those two pass defenses are very different degrees of "bad".

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

I would argue the stats dont tell the whole story. CU imo, hasnt played near the competition that UT has. CU is gonna be ranked higher because of it. The two may be closer than you think. Arguably of course. When I watch the two, I see two teams with blown coverages, big cushions and being out jumped on jump balls.
I wish I could say we will be the gauge of that. But I ain't going there. Too often we follow a good game with a bad

You are absolutely correct. Why shouldn't that same logic apply to our offense that sees SEC defenses almost every weekend?

 

[bucketdad]

Ha, true.

I agree that stats don't always tell the whole story. I just think, and it's purely opinion, that those two pass defenses are very different degrees of "bad".

Different degree of bad sounds like a minor detail. I'll buy that. Lol
CU might be better than I think. UT might not be as bad as they looked. Or in UT's case it might be the other way around idk. Just calling it based on the limited games I have watched. Strictly opinion.

 

[bucketdad]

You are absolutely correct. Why shouldn't that same logic apply to our offense that sees SEC defenses almost every weekend?

If your talking about stats, I dont buy into them all that much.
If you are talking our offense being better than advertised, maybe our offense is better prepared for outside the SEC due to being in the SEC idk. Problem is we have to compete in the SEC. Now would be an excellent time to see it pays dividends tho.