“Every damn one of them lifts just about every day.”
I don’t believe it. But if they do, it is light lifting.
I don’t believe it. But if they do, it is light lifting.
South Carolina’s Dawn Staley blasts NCAA
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Nope. Put the same group of guys in a farm league that has no association with the University of South Carolina, and nobody would care. You would have to give away tickets. College football is special because of the first word, college. People connect with it because of that, not just because it's football.
Again, it is the University that offers these sports. If you offer an experience for men, you should offer a comparable experience for women, at least at the basic level. They should offer a minimal level of funding across the board for all sports that are approved, regardless of popularity, and within each sport should treat men and women fairness. The purpose of sports in education isn't and shouldn't solely be about maximizing profit.
light lifting counts! Also these areas are for stretching, cardio, trainers working with athletes etc
I understand where you're going somewhat. First, this is not about what USC is doing. The basics are the same at USC for the credited sports. If you get sick, you see the same doctor. Rehabbing an injury, same rehab staff. Full scholarship gets the same tuition payment. Dawn is complaining about how much the NCAA needs to contract at a different location for a completely different event and wants her event subsidized by the men's tournament (see above).
Last, and then I'm going to give up. Why do you make a distinction by sport? Why is it fair for the women's basketball to receive an extra benefit over another women's sport just because the men's program makes more money though tickets, fundraising and TV. Should softball get the same stuff as baseball? Should we be forced to start a women's football program and then build them the same things as men's football?
What did she say that was over the top? I think I read her whole statement.
Maybe she could take some of her thousands she spends on shoes and buy her a team a gym membership for a weekend.
Well, she accused the NCAA of not really caring about the GF situation and using it for a soundbite, a cardinal sin in today's world. She accused them of using women for their convenience. She accused them of disrespecting women. She said they were discriminating against women by "rewarding" the men with more and promoting the men's tournament more.
Then she said they did all this by choice intentionally and it was all Mark Emmert's fault.
If these athletes are considered amateurs, they should get the same treatment and perks. Maybe that means the men receive less.
And I don't think pro women tennis players should get paid as much as men. That makes sense to me.
I think this just makes the NCAA look more foolish that they pretend to classify everyone as ameteurs.
And I don't think pro women tennis players should get paid as much as men. That makes sense to me.
I think this just makes the NCAA look more foolish that they pretend to classify everyone as ameteurs.
I think Dawn was spot on. What part of what she said is untrue?
And she is right. Workout opportunities should be the same for both tournaments, regardless of gender.
Because gender discrimination is real and "sport" discrimination isn't.
And no, you don't have to have a women's football team, but you should have a comparable women's sport opportunity and it should be fully funded. Just because football makes the money doesn't mean they should get to keep it all. It's money that belongs to the school's athletic department, and it should be used to further fund sports opportunities for everyone across the board. Does that mean the bass fishing team should get the same amount of money as the football team? No, because football is much more expensive to support. But it should get the money needed to make it successful at a basic level.
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I don't think we know if any of that is true, especially when it comes to motive and intent.
Karl Marx would agree with this.
Perhaps the weight room differences were just an oversight and not intended. Same for the swag bags but how do you explain the NCAA giving the women an antigen test for covid-19 while the men undergo the more expensive — and more reliable — PCR? Don't see how that could happen without intent. You think maybe Dawn might know a little more than we do about what is going on?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.us...adness-teams-weight-room-food-covid-tests/amp
This is nothing but a declarative statement of self-confession of misogyny.
First off, it probably costs $200K to set up a full-stocked weight room. So the MBBT makes $100M and the WBBT makes $10M, and they can't even get a $200K weight room unless they ALSO generate $100M??
These are just off-the-cuff estimates mind you, but also - all that equipment isn't disposable - after they are used, they are returned back to where they were obtained. They are generally on loan at a certain cost. The majority of the cost to install involves manual labor and transportation costs. So the NCAA couldn't find ANYONE ANYWHERE that could provide more than a massage cot and a single dumbbell rack? I refuse to find that acceptable...
So if YOU owned a hardware store where the VAST majority of revenue that comes in comes from your selling lawn mowers and power tools, you would ONLY put that money back into those products? And not repair/upgrade the shelves for hand tools, cables, nuts and screws, etc? You wouldn't put it into painting your store, or paving the parking lot, or hiring extra help if needed? Put it into paying the bills and the bank loan?
so we’re supposed to believe the women’s weight room has one dumbell rack like you find in a Days Inn and that’s it? A wider angle photo might be nice.
I would much rather be in San Antonio than Indianapolis....
Yup, check out Sedona Prince on tik tok, there is reason why the women are pissed.
I sure wish Dawn would focus on Basketball. But hey that is her right, mind is to not be happy that they sit for anthem, now this!! I guess she is a modern day social justice leader.
I feel certain there’s disparity or Dawn wouldn’t be talking about it......but those photos showed a wide angle of one room, and a closeup photo of the other. It looked intentional. Thanks for the info.
I saw the video, and to be honest I have no idea a woman’s BB player workout pregame. If it is the same or close it isn’t fair. But I can’t judge by one TIK TOK video.
I agree that there is a level of acceptability or unacceptability for weights regardless of comparison. But, that isn't what she argued. She brought up the gift bags, corporate boardrooms and how everything should be equal under the umbrella of March Madness.
If she had just shown the crappy weights and complained, I would have agreed with her but to turn every issue into broad-based gender and racial politics undermines her argument at best and make her look like she always wants to drive the wah-mbulance.
Dawn didn't show the crappy weights. A player did. She also didn't show the crappy swag bags or the crappy food the women players are being served. She also didn't show that the women are being tested with the crappy antigen Covid-19 test while the men are being tested with the more expensive more reliable gold standard PCR test.
None of this is acceptable in 2021 and I'm glad Dawn is speaking up. You know back in the day Klan meetings were held under the guise of "political meetings." Sometimes it seems little has changed.
Coaches, please coach. If you want to politic on everything, go to the state house.
There's a video showing it. It is not a manipulated shot.
I will also say this, and please someone correct me if my understanding here is wrong. I have read Coach Staley make implications that the words "March Madness" is supposed to apply to ALL NCAA tournaments, and criticizing the NCAA for making it seem to ONLY apply to men's basketball.
I have also read comments HERE that refer to the "Men's March Madness Tournament" and the "Women's March Madness Tournament".
Perhaps I'm just showing my age here. But MY understanding is "March Madness" refers to the Men's Division I NCAA Tournament ONLY. It has ALWAYS referred to the Men's Division I NCAA Tournament ONLY.
YES, it was first created for high school boy's basketball in Illinois back in 1939, and then Bret Mussberger - the master of coining phrases for sports that always seem to become official - used the term to refer to the 1982 Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament. The NCAA embraced it and made it valued and protected trademark - they have taken other conferences and other sports entities to court over them using "March Madness" in their marketing for their events.
SO, "March Madness" has NEVER been presented by the NCAA as some overall reference to tournaments for a specific sport. It is to the Men's Basketball NCAA Tournament what "Gamecocks" is to our university athletic programs: a patented trademark.
And an example of how the NCAA defends this position: they have NEVER referred to the Division II and III men's NCAA Basketball Tournaments with "March Madness". Go try and prove me wrong there. And that is ALL Men's Basketball.
The NCAA hasn't always owned and operated the men's National Invitation Tournament (NIT). The NIT actually predated the NCAAT, and was operated by folks in New York - which is why the semifinals and finals of that tournament has always been held in the Madison Square Garden arena.
But the NCAA now DOES own and operate the NIT and has for years now. And they have NEVER - NEVER - used "March Madness" to refer to the NIT.
Now, beginning with Mussberger, the media has played a commanding role in "March Madness" even being a thing. It was the Illinois media that coined the phrase for the boys tournaments there in the 1930s. Mussberger got the idea to use it for the 1982 NCAAT from seeing the term on billboards in Illinois (this was the same year that the NCAA held the very first WBB NCAAT).
So the media has played a role. And the media can often be found today referring to the WBB NCAAT in relation to the "March Madness" moniker.
But find that moniker on ANY NCAA basketball web page for ANY division of BB other than Division I MBB. The NCAA puts it on center court for the DI MBB Championship game, every single year. EVERY year. Find it on the court for WBB for their championship game. Find it on men's DII or DIII's courts for THEIR championship games. They've never been there for those games. The moniker NEVER applied to them.
SO, it's NOT a gender issue here, because it involves other men's tournaments operated by the NCAA other than Division I, as well as the women's Division I tournament. It is about the men's Division I basketball tournament earning the moniker exclusively, through decades of achievement.
So I disagree with the WBB NCAAT claiming the "March Madness" moniker. Because they had no involvement in creating it. That's not equality - that's entitlement. I would rather they establish their OWN moniker that perhaps one day would held as highly as the "March Madness" one. Own it and build on it. Help make it grow, as they have done with their own sport. That would be entirely EQUAL to how the MBB NCAAT built "March Madness".
I have also read comments HERE that refer to the "Men's March Madness Tournament" and the "Women's March Madness Tournament".
Perhaps I'm just showing my age here. But MY understanding is "March Madness" refers to the Men's Division I NCAA Tournament ONLY. It has ALWAYS referred to the Men's Division I NCAA Tournament ONLY.
YES, it was first created for high school boy's basketball in Illinois back in 1939, and then Bret Mussberger - the master of coining phrases for sports that always seem to become official - used the term to refer to the 1982 Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament. The NCAA embraced it and made it valued and protected trademark - they have taken other conferences and other sports entities to court over them using "March Madness" in their marketing for their events.
SO, "March Madness" has NEVER been presented by the NCAA as some overall reference to tournaments for a specific sport. It is to the Men's Basketball NCAA Tournament what "Gamecocks" is to our university athletic programs: a patented trademark.
And an example of how the NCAA defends this position: they have NEVER referred to the Division II and III men's NCAA Basketball Tournaments with "March Madness". Go try and prove me wrong there. And that is ALL Men's Basketball.
The NCAA hasn't always owned and operated the men's National Invitation Tournament (NIT). The NIT actually predated the NCAAT, and was operated by folks in New York - which is why the semifinals and finals of that tournament has always been held in the Madison Square Garden arena.
But the NCAA now DOES own and operate the NIT and has for years now. And they have NEVER - NEVER - used "March Madness" to refer to the NIT.
Now, beginning with Mussberger, the media has played a commanding role in "March Madness" even being a thing. It was the Illinois media that coined the phrase for the boys tournaments there in the 1930s. Mussberger got the idea to use it for the 1982 NCAAT from seeing the term on billboards in Illinois (this was the same year that the NCAA held the very first WBB NCAAT).
So the media has played a role. And the media can often be found today referring to the WBB NCAAT in relation to the "March Madness" moniker.
But find that moniker on ANY NCAA basketball web page for ANY division of BB other than Division I MBB. The NCAA puts it on center court for the DI MBB Championship game, every single year. EVERY year. Find it on the court for WBB for their championship game. Find it on men's DII or DIII's courts for THEIR championship games. They've never been there for those games. The moniker NEVER applied to them.
SO, it's NOT a gender issue here, because it involves other men's tournaments operated by the NCAA other than Division I, as well as the women's Division I tournament. It is about the men's Division I basketball tournament earning the moniker exclusively, through decades of achievement.
So I disagree with the WBB NCAAT claiming the "March Madness" moniker. Because they had no involvement in creating it. That's not equality - that's entitlement. I would rather they establish their OWN moniker that perhaps one day would held as highly as the "March Madness" one. Own it and build on it. Help make it grow, as they have done with their own sport. That would be entirely EQUAL to how the MBB NCAAT built "March Madness".
Fortunately, Dawn can apparently do both.
So when the NCAA , a very political organization, just totally disrespects and short changes the 64 women’s team, that’s just a budgetary and poor planning oversight. But when coaches and players call it out, well now that’s unacceptable political speech, be good girls and shut up and dribble
So can Geno and apparently about 62 other women’s coaches in the tournament
I agree that the amenities should be fairly equal. No doubt. The weight room/training difference is pitiful. But if every coach starts putting in their political slant on whatever issue they are on fire about (whether it is gender, race, who is president, or whatever) when they are discussing their team or sport, I’ll turn it off like I do NFL football.
Well, we know that this is NOT the case. The UGA head coach Joni Taylor responded that the discrepancies for the NCAAT was included in their NCAA-provided 90-page manual for the tournament. I do not know WHEN each team got these manuals, but Taylor implied that she/they at UGA had it for a while. Taylor even stated that HER AD approved of their program trainers trucking weight-lifting equipment that they own to the tournament:
Georgia women’s basketball discusses amenity disparities at NCAA Tournament
Players, coaches and administrators at the women’s tournament, which is being held exclusively in San Antonio, have voiced their concerns about the bubble environment.
So it was known by the UGA staff to at least be able to prepare, and provide adequate facilities for themselves, and not find out about the disparities when they arrived in San Antonio. She still doesn't agree with those disparities, and not all programs have that kind of flexibility as UGA's WBB does. But it shows that the NCAA prepared and planned - or at least accepted - the disparities moving forward.....
When issues like gender and race are causing issues with the sport, expect them to talk about it and try to get it changed. I highly doubt your personal viewership means dick to them if they're being treated unfairly.
With respect to post # 69: "March Madness" historically denoted the Div. 1 Men's Basketball National Championship Tournament. That's all I ever knew "March Madness" was. Several years ago, the NCAA trademarked the term so that now anyone with a grievance will be coming to them. The NCAA will probably cave, but they really don't have to do anything. They own the appellation.
WHat? I haven't stated otherwise regarding that aspect, and have held that position from the very start. The problem is, your response fails to address any part of my position in the post you quoted - to respond to my premise with an irrelevant response, and then to summarily drop the microphone with a "END OF STORY" is irresponsible of you. Wait your turn when you actually have something on point to add....
I was not serious about the weights being an oversight. I said it in reference to the post I was responding to.Well, we know that this is NOT the case. The UGA head coach Joni Taylor responded that the discrepancies for the NCAAT was included in their NCAA-provided 90-page manual for the tournament. I do not know WHEN each team got these manuals, but Taylor implied that she/they at UGA had it for a while. Taylor even stated that HER AD approved of their program trainers trucking weight-lifting equipment that they own to the tournament:
Georgia women’s basketball discusses amenity disparities at NCAA Tournament
Players, coaches and administrators at the women’s tournament, which is being held exclusively in San Antonio, have voiced their concerns about the bubble environment.www.redandblack.com
So it was known by the UGA staff to at least be able to prepare, and provide adequate facilities for themselves, and not find out about the disparities when they arrived in San Antonio. She still doesn't agree with those disparities, and not all programs have that kind of flexibility as UGA's WBB does. But it shows that the NCAA prepared and planned - or at least accepted - the disparities moving forward.....
She was being a responsible coach. They stand up for their players. Please tell me how the state house has to do with the NCAA?
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