Yup. That's Old Carolina. In fact, it's old South.
Tanner as AD...
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Tanner is a good man and an outstanding baseball coach. In my opinion, he doesn't have the stature or qualifications that a major university like USC deserves in an AD.
If you really want to pick on him.....his worst flaw was watching spurrier destroy what we had. I would have struggled with what to do because spurriers ego and attitude. But in retrospect, he should have seen what was coming. Mangus told him.
It has been said that spurrier was ready to retire the previous yr but Tanner talked him into staying. If that is true that was strike one for him. Bad decision.
Mangus told him? Please elaborate.
QUOTE="radcock, post: 2912821, member: 1692"]If you really want to pick on him.....his worst flaw was watching spurrier destroy what we had. I would have struggled with what to do because spurriers ego and attitude. But in retrospect, he should have seen what was coming. Mangus told him.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE="radcock, post: 2912821, member: 1692"]If you really want to pick on him.....his worst flaw was watching spurrier destroy what we had. I would have struggled with what to do because spurriers ego and attitude. But in retrospect, he should have seen what was coming. Mangus told him.[/QUOTE]
Sooner or later we will get tired of Clemson getting all the pub. And tired of them Kicking our A. I still think we need to hire a couple folks from their spin machine to so us how it is done
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Master plan is nice but Spurrier pushed facilities more than Hyman when he arrived. Hyman was a good business man but that only goes so far in achieving winning programs. Tanner also did this job at N.C State and understands all of the factors that affect a college coaching job.
He's sitting on a D- in my grade book. Only reason it's not an F is because he's Ray Freakin' Tanner.
Not true...even spurrier said it's not true. I don't know why this keeps being repeated.
It's funny how posters talk about how Tanner should have fired this guy and should be ready to fire this guy if things don't improve. Tanner hired Muschamp and elevated Holbrook to HC.
As AD, Tanner has never fired anyone!!!! As AD, he has no track record regarding firing coaches. You can judge him on his hires, but It's pure speculation as to what he will do in the future.
As AD, Tanner has never fired anyone!!!! As AD, he has no track record regarding firing coaches. You can judge him on his hires, but It's pure speculation as to what he will do in the future.
Please. All Hyman did was spend the money from huge deal SEC made with ESPN in 2007. All AD's improved facilities during that time. Then he set the basketball program back a decade with the worst hire in school history (Darin Horn).
His handling of many issues were embarrassing. See no band to NIT. See extension for Odom and Horn. Mrs. Hyman dealing with Stephen Garcia. Geeez!
Ray Tanner loves our University, has done a great job in fundraising, and hired the best coach available in Muschamp. Anyone want Kirby Smart right now?
Unlike Hyman who went after virtually every job opening in a 1,500 mile radius (before being fired at A&M), Ray is happy to stay at the school he put on the map with two national titles. He was the AD for two of those 11 win seasons.
Whenever we have a bad year in football, some of our fans insist on blaming our AD. Silly. Be mad a Spurrier who left a mess before quitting in the middle of the damn season!
He would have hired smart if uga didn't beat us to the punch. That was his number 2
Football has plumetted under RT.
Baseball has underperformed. Didn't even make the tornament two years ago.
Basketball has yet to make the dance.
Fund raising will drop like a rock if this continues.
Baseball has underperformed. Didn't even make the tornament two years ago.
Basketball has yet to make the dance.
Fund raising will drop like a rock if this continues.
He will be judged on one hire and that's Muschamp. The jury is out. This year will net 3-4 wins most likely. Next year hopefully 6-7 wins and the third year hopefully in SEC East contention. If that doesn't happen and it's a 3 year struggle Ray will see the door with Muschamp.
Baseball was great because of Ray Tanner. Stadium is best because of Ray Tanner. Expectations are thru the roof because of Ray Tanner.
Basketball sucked before he got the job for decades, highlighted by the Hyman hire of Horn which took us years to recover from.
Fund raising will be fine and so will the TV money. Football will improve.
If our last 2 AD's were so good, how come one never got another job and the other got fired in a New York minute. Ask a Texas A&M fan about Hyman. They will tell you they couldn't get wait to get rid of his sorry a** !!
hyman gets credit for all facilities upgrades. His team planned everything that is currently underway. Everyone in the athletic department knows this.
So, you're good with everything? Cool.
Should we start calling ourselves Excuse U?
For my part, I can't justify shelling out more money for sub 500 football in perpetuity. It happens when you get older and have a family I guess. It has gotten more expensive to watch a bad product. I get it, I am just one guy. Need to see improvement rather quickly. I don't get that there is a sense of urgency coming out of the ad's office but I could be wrong. Once upon a time I could and would show up for bad football but can't justify that as easily these days.
Patience. I think what you are seeing this year is a change in culture and players adjusting to a completely new system. You may see 5-8 players (if not more) transfer out at the end of the year as CWM finds out who is willing to work in this system and who is not. We no longer seem to have the Country Club culture that we had under Spurrier and staff. These boys are having to work and probably work harder than they have ever had to before. That may not sit well with some players who were used to the old way of doing things. EJ and Lawing made them work, but they haven't been here for a while and we saw the result. CWM will get this turned around...just have to change the work culture that existed before he got here and trim the roster of those thar don't "buy in."
Patience? I used to have that. Really don't have it anymore. It's too expensive. Just show me we are improving. Give me the indicators.
To start, defense. We are playing at a much higher level than we were last year. Not great, but strides better than last year.
Second, the amount of young players playing, especially on offense. When it's said that Spurrier left the cupboard bare....it was threadbare on the offensive side of the ball. Shocking for an offensive-minded HC. But we have a LOT of young players playing on that side of the ball. They will do nothing but get better....WRs and TEs will learn how to block, the play will slow down for our true freshmen QBs, and hopefully there will be changes along the OL and they learn the new hybrid blocking scheme. They did it well on Turner's 75 yard TD....we actually had a pulling guard kick out the would be tackler to help break him. Still think the learning curve would be shorter with a new OL coach that has actually taught gap blocking, but that's not my call.
I agree with much of what you say. I'm an old fart, and I thought we were headed for long term stability and success when we had Spurrier. I'm hoping this can be turned around quickly.
Wut?
I thought SOS changed the culture? What was the Old v. New Carolina conversation all about? What about when we were scolded not to applaud a losing effort? Haven't we been here before?
Not fan culture. Team culture. Hitting, working harder during practice, etc...
The most telling aspect as to how it changed under our last coaching staff was Clowney's statement about the expectations of Lawing versus Adams and Ward. Don't think the team culture regarding hard work was still there. Myschamp's reputation at UF was hard work and hard hitting.
