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I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that 15,000 have died from the vaccines. I mean, they paused the J & J vaccine (a couple of days after I got it) because a handful of women developed, I think, blood clots. I think one, unfortunately, died. If they'll stop the administration of a vaccine over that, do you really think 15,000 vaccine related deaths would just be ignored?
 
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We absolutely have not been doing MRNA vaccines for decades. Why would you even say that? They've been working on them since the '90's without good results. In an "emergency" situation they were unleashed. There isn't enough data to say they're safe or effective. Yet people say it anyway. And people ARE being forced to take it in order to provide for their families. I hear people say they're not being forced, that they have a choice. When a guy with a gun says give me your wallet in front of your family then I suppose you have a choice too.

Not enough testing? 233 million doses of Pfeifer had been administered to human subjects in the US over the last nine months before full FDA approval was given. That’s more than any vaccine has ever been “tested” in the history of the world.
 
I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that 15,000 have died from the vaccines. I mean, they paused the J & J vaccine (a couple of days after I got it) because a handful of women developed, I think, blood clots. I think one, unfortunately, died. If they'll stop the administration of a vaccine over that, do you really think 15,000 vaccine related deaths would just be ignored?

Yes. Yes they do. It’s all a part of the Big Pharma conspiracy, mixed in with the “Government Control” conspiracy, with a little Qanon cherry on top.
 
I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that 15,000 have died from the vaccines. I mean, they paused the J & J vaccine (a couple of days after I got it) because a handful of women developed, I think, blood clots. I think one, unfortunately, died. If they'll stop the administration of a vaccine over that, do you really think 15,000 vaccine related deaths would just be ignored?

If you've had an opportunity to view the contracts between countires and vaccine manufacturers, it's all you need to know.

The medical profession is not to discuss/attach any potential side effects to the vaccine and they are also supposed to discourage discussion of any competition (e.g. Ivermectin) as well.

This is what they are referring to as "The Noble Lie."
 
Not enough testing? 233 million doses of Pfeifer had been administered to human subjects in the US over the last nine months before full FDA approval was given. That’s more than any vaccine has ever been “tested” in the history of the world.
Testing usually lasts about 10 years. Need long term testing to study long term effects. It's been less than a year. A large number of test subjects could mean a large number of bad long term effects. So I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying it's safe because there hasn't been enough time for long term effects to show up?
 
Not enough testing? 233 million doses of Pfeifer had been administered to human subjects in the US over the last nine months before full FDA approval was given. That’s more than any vaccine has ever been “tested” in the history of the world.

Human testing should go on for a minimum of 2 years and ideally far longer. At that point, there should be full transparency reports of effectiveness and safety.

We're receiving neither in the U.S.
 
Human testing should go on for a minimum of 2 years and ideally far longer. At that point, there should be full transparency reports of effectiveness and safety.

We're receiving neither in the U.S.
FTR...The polio vaccine trials only lasted one year before it gained approval. And those trials were done on children.
 
So you're OK with MDs, Nurses, Military/SEAL Team, professors, etc. all losing their jobs because they are being forced to take a vaccination that doesn't work as advertised, while plenty of other verified treatments exist?

If so, prepare to get those two-day Amazon deliveries in a month, grocery stores without essentials, no gas, etc. as the supply chain gets squeezed far more than it's already been.
Military personnel already are required to have the vaccine at all levels. Civilian personnel on Air Force bases also have to be vaccinated. Other military bases require civilian personnel to be vaccinated or undergo testing for the virus.
 
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I'm on your side. I believe in public health measures. They have certainly benefitted societies over the centuries, from the earliest times until now. But the rules and the mandates create difficult problems.
Especially when Congress is exempted, along with Post Office, Pfizer employees, CDC employees, etc.
 
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Little to no protection from infection, and the death rate in the "year of vaccination" now exceeds all of 2020.

Stop the mandates and firing workers.

Stop targeting children and the rest of the population outside of the high risk.

Open up effective early treatments to everyone to help avoid excess hospitalizations & death.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisa...-2021-surpass-toll-from-2020/?sh=381fe3a46cc2


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We absolutely have not been doing MRNA vaccines for decades. Why would you even say that? They've been working on them since the '90's without good results. In an "emergency" situation they were unleashed. There isn't enough data to say they're safe or effective. Yet people say it anyway. And people ARE being forced to take it in order to provide for their families. I hear people say they're not being forced, that they have a choice. When a guy with a gun says give me your wallet in front of your family then I suppose you have a choice too.
And there was the recent CSpan event from 2019 where Fauci and other experts were talking about moving from egg based vaccines to mRNA vaccines and the need for a catastrophic event to push people to accept mRNA vaccines.
 
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I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that 15,000 have died from the vaccines. I mean, they paused the J & J vaccine (a couple of days after I got it) because a handful of women developed, I think, blood clots. I think one, unfortunately, died. If they'll stop the administration of a vaccine over that, do you really think 15,000 vaccine related deaths would just be ignored?
Yes, when Billions are at stake. They are and have been doing that. There are even reports that in Australia vaccinated individuals who are admitted to the hospital are being treated with Ivermectin while unvaccinated are being put on ventilators and left to die, just to make it look like the vaccine is working better than it is.
 
And there was the recent CSpan event from 2019 where Fauci and other experts were talking about moving from egg based vaccines to mRNA vaccines and the need for a catastrophic event to push people to accept mRNA vaccines.
And it's starting to look like Fauci is behind the catastrophic event.
 
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From my understanding military personnel only truly have one way to refuse and that is if they have refused the 12+ other vaccines that military personnel are required to get.

I believe so.

Our "military readiness" is about to take a pretty big blow and it's to a population with very little risk.

If the vaccines were providing any lasting protection from infection, it might make slightly more sense.
 
You're citing situations where people require/desire intervention (e.g. tonsillectomy).

This is not the case with the vast majority of the population and COVID.

Now we know that it's role is helping to suppress symptoms if you are willing to take on the counter-risk. (not protection unless you walk around with an IV drip.)

That's good, but it should be one option available to the patient.

The vaccines should be an option for the high-risk and we should not be conflating vaccination with natural immunity.
Well, we differ in our opinions regarding the efficacy of the vaccines. You say they don't work. I believe they do both prevent infection and lessen the severity of the illness. I believe the evidence better supports my belief.
 
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We absolutely have not been doing MRNA vaccines for decades. Why would you even say that? They've been working on them since the '90's without good results. In an "emergency" situation they were unleashed. There isn't enough data to say they're safe or effective. Yet people say it anyway. And people ARE being forced to take it in order to provide for their families. I hear people say they're not being forced, that they have a choice. When a guy with a gun says give me your wallet in front of your family then I suppose you have a choice too.
Well, the data is looking good to me so far.
 
I believe so.

Our "military readiness" is about to take a pretty big blow and it's to a population with very little risk.

If the vaccines were providing any lasting protection from infection, it might make slightly more sense.
Doubtful. Those military personnel who are looking to make a career out of it are used to following orders and will do so. They follow them under much more dangerous situations. Most others will follow the orders out of obligation as they are also used to following orders. There will be a small percentage who may attempt to use it as a way to get discharged. Officer refusals may end up with a Memorandum of Reprimand which will end your military career.
 
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Doubtful. Those military personnel who are looking to make a career out of it are used to following orders and will do so. They follow them under much more dangerous situations. Most others will follow the orders out of obligation as they are also used to following orders. There will be a small percentage who may attempt to use it as a way to get discharged. Officer refusals may end up with a Memorandum of Reprimand which would end your military career.

Maybe, Though I doubt SEAL Team Members and other specialists would fall into that group.

If the vaccine isn't offering protection from infection, how does the mandate argument not fall apart?

"Davis Younts, an attorney representing dozens of troops who are seeking religious or medical accommodations for the vaccine mandate, said that most of his clients are not going to comply with the mandate even if they aren’t granted an exemption. “My clients, the guys I’m representing, and the SEALs I’ve spoken to, are what we’re calling ‘hard no’s’… that means you’re going to submit a religious accommodation request, you’re going to submit a medical exemption based on where you’re at… and then if it’s not approved, they’re not going to take the vaccine.”

https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/11/pentagon-military-vaccine-mandate-seals-navy-coast-guard/
 
Maybe, Though I doubt SEAL Team Members and other specialists would fall into that group.

If the vaccine isn't offering protection from infection, how does the mandate argument not fall apart?

"Davis Younts, an attorney representing dozens of troops who are seeking religious or medical accommodations for the vaccine mandate, said that most of his clients are not going to comply with the mandate even if they aren’t granted an exemption. “My clients, the guys I’m representing, and the SEALs I’ve spoken to, are what we’re calling ‘hard no’s’… that means you’re going to submit a religious accommodation request, you’re going to submit a medical exemption based on where you’re at… and then if it’s not approved, they’re not going to take the vaccine.”

https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/11/pentagon-military-vaccine-mandate-seals-navy-coast-guaIt rd/
You'd be surprised. The military hasn't yet decided to go with judicial measures....but if it gets out of hand, they may. Understand that under the CMJ, military personnel do not have the same rights as civilians do. It is a different world. SEALS, Air Force Combat Rescue Team, and other specialty personnel will be held to as high or higher standards.
 
You'd be surprised. The military hasn't yet decided to go with judicial measures....but if it gets out of hand, they may. Understand that under the CMJ, military personnel do not have the same rights as civilians do. It is a different world. SEALS, Air Force Combat Rescue Team, and other specialty personnel will be held to as high or higher standards.

Hope that's not the case. The government keeps playing with the deadline so it will be interesting to see if they actually move forward with it.

If so, they might want to move quicker as evidence for mandates continues to weaken and more attorneys seem to be preparing for battle.

At my niece's school in Chapin, a PI attorney is paying for all of the mask fines for kids. In turn, he has requested they be included in a class-action against the school district.
 
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Hope that's not the case. They keep playing with the deadline so it will be interesting to see if they actually move forward with it.

If so, they might want to move quicker as evidence for mandates continues to weaken and more attorneys seem to be preparing for battle.

At my niece's school in Chapin, a PA attorney is paying for all of the mask fines for kids. In turn, he has requested they be included in a class-action against the school district.
When you enter the military, you give them a carte blanche to make you do a lot of thing you may not want to do. You have no objection. This is no different. ....especially now when this is an all volunteer military.

Also, I believe right now Navy SEALs have to be vaccinated before they are deployed.....no vaccination, no deployment.
 
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You aren't paying attention then. The vaccine is for managing symptoms, not preventing infection.
Check the CDC Director video just posted today for further reference.
To start with they do aid in preventing spread. But for arguments sake lets assume they don't. So just assume they only aid in managing symptoms & keeping people from getting more seriously ill & having to enter the hospital. Have you been keeping up with the news? Some hospitals have been overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid patients. That has resulted in surgeries being postponed & other noncovid patients being denied the care they otherwise would have received. There was a recent article in the paper about a man who lived in Alabama (I think that's right but could be wrong) he had a heart condition that needed attention, he was denied ICU admittance at 43 hospital because they were overwhelmed by covid patients . He later died.
 
Little to no protection from infection, and the death rate in the "year of vaccination" now exceeds all of 2020.

Stop the mandates and firing workers.

Stop targeting children and the rest of the population outside of the high risk.

Open up effective early treatments to everyone to help avoid excess hospitalizations & death.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisa...-2021-surpass-toll-from-2020/?sh=381fe3a46cc2


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Too focused on pandemic. This is about digital identity and global surveillance and has been in the works for quite some time.

US government wants to embed a microchip in your hand to track everything - including your transactions/bank account, ID, keys, vaxx status and far beyond. Being ushered in just in time for the arrival of digital currencies. The next phase of homeland and global security.

The vaccine sets that table with an enzyme.

 
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To start with they do aid in preventing spread. But for arguments sake lets assume they don't. So just assume they only aid in managing symptoms & keeping people from getting more seriously ill & having to enter the hospital. Have you been keeping up with the news? Some hospitals have been overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid patients. That has resulted in surgeries being postponed & other noncovid patients being denied the care they otherwise would have received. There was a recent article in the paper about a man who lived in Alabama (I think that's right but could be wrong) he had a heart condition that needed attention, he was denied ICU admittance at 43 hospital because they were overwhelmed by covid patients . He later died.
If that were true countries like Israel and Singapore would be seeing huge drops in infections instead of huge increases
 
Too focused on pandemic. This is about digital identity and global surveillance and has been in the works for quite some time.

US government wants to embed a microchip in your hand to track everything - including your transactions/bank account, ID, keys, vaxx status and far beyond. Being ushered in just in time for the arrival of digital currencies. The next phase of homeland and global security.

The vaccine sets that table with an enzyme.

You should take your cell phone & smash it with a sledge hammer. They're watching your every move & the longer you keep it the more they know about you.
Heard a story from a friend of a friend of a friend who smashed his & quickly received a visit from the feds. The options were either get a new cell phone of go to federal prison. Big brother will not be denied
 
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