You're deflecting a little bit. We have to compete on every front. In that case there, you saw a premier athlete defeat three inferior athletes. But we have to compete in every aspect of program-building.
USC mens athletic success vs Clempson and Tanner's accountability
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Yep, you're still clueless. So 100+ years of mostly futility in football is RT's fault? Dude, the program has been insignificant for most of it's existence. You trash SOS and then hail him in the next paragraph. Make up your mind.
Yes, FB was crappy in 2015, but Muschamp did a good job in year 1 with not a lot of talent. Spurrier is still the best coach we ever had here. You are not going to build it back to a 11-win program in 1 or 2 years (unless you have a tradition like Alabama does.)... and yes, you do need a fancy football castle because all of the other programs are building or have built them. IT MATTERS TO RECRUITS. That's the ugly truth.
Basketball - just missed NCAAs last year , but still won school record number of games... you don't see that as heading in the right direction? Yes, Georgia losses were bad. You do understand that men's basketball has been a joke for most of the last 40 years. (a few decent years sprinkled in), but certainly not one with a great history. Martin has made the program better. It's still getting better, and suspending Sindarius was tough, but the right thing to do (fans on this board bash other programs who don't penalize rule breakers.). This year's team has a good chance to be an NCAA tournament team.
Baseball - RT was the best baseball coach we ever had AND he retired at the absolute height of his career (3 championship appearances), so of course anything beyond a trip to Omaha was going to look bad. No, I don't think CH is as good as RT. There may not be anybody in the country who was as good as RT! 2015 was horrid, and I agree that the program needed to turn around last year, which it did! 40+ wins and a super regional is pretty damn good. Even the almight RT didn't get to Omaha every year. Nobody does, even after they win the CWS. That's college sports.
A.D.'s don't coach, win or lose games. They hire coaches. If needed, they fire coaches. (Martin, Chad and Muschamp do not need to be fired at this point IMO as all 3 programs are clearly on the upswing.) The biggest thing A.D.'s do is fundraise/build facilities so that the coaches can recruit and be competitive. That's what RT is doing.
Oh, and even though we are talking men's sports, RT is the one who made sure Dawn Staley didn't go to Ohio State a few years ago. That's a fact!
If the brain-trust in Columbia worked as hard on building the program as folks like you spend on defending the (generously speaking) mediocrity we are achieving, then we might have something.
Dude, you are that poster! Just for giggles name 10 coaches(head or asst.) in our athletic department that pass your competence test
Can't think of 10. I don't follow the smaller sports. But, try this on for size:
I like Dawn.
I liked Bobby Richardson.
I liked RT when he coached beisbol.
I liked SOS when he cared.
I liked almost everyone on SOS's staff when he assembled a real staff.
I like the golf coach.
I liked Morrison.
I loved McGuire.
I think Hyman is the best AD we ever had.
I liked Parsons.
Clearly you don't see the programs are heading in the right direction. I think they are. I don't see going to a Super Regional in baseball as mediocrity. I don't see breaking school record for wins in basketball and on the path to becoming an NCAA Tournament team (after nearly 40 years of northing) as medicority. I see programs on the rise. To each his own. Final judgement should always be made at the end of a season.
So you approve of two coaches that currently coach at USC and you don't even know the name of one. Kalen Anderson coaches the women and Bill McDonald coaches the men both have been top 10 or top five the last two years. You want to fire Tanner and you are self professed ignorant of so much that is happening in our athletic department. Go figure, my guess is that you were also bitching about Dawn her first 4 years here about how recruits were leaving and that she was over paid
Coaches I think are at top of their game....
WBB - Staley
Men's Golf - McDonald - awesome. Made NCAA championships again last year and advanced to match play round
Women's Golf - Anderson - awesome. Same as men's golf.
MBB - Martin - school record for wins last year. Could be NCAA tournament team this year.
Women's soccer - Smith - SEC Champs this year. Elite 8 of NCAA Tourney 2 of the last 2 years. Freaking awesome.
Softball - Smith - 4 straight NCAAs. Doing a good job of resurrecting a-once great program. As good as SEC is in football/baseball, it may be the best in softball in terms of top to bottom good teams. Normally as many as 10 league teams are ranked and SEC teams with losing conference records have made world series.
Men's Soccer - It's been up and down for Berson. Full body of work is great. Last 10 years are up and down. At least team has made NCAAs last 2 years. Tough part for that program is they can't recruit "SEC" talent like other schools because they play in Conf. USA. Players would rather go to Clemson and play in ACC I.M.O.
Track - Frye and company are still sending kids to Olympics, but the overall team doesn't appear as strong as when it won nat. championship in early 2000s. Perhaps new facility will help attract better athletes?
ALL TIME
RT - baesball. best we ever had. Tough act to follow, but I like what I saw last year from Holbrook in getting team to Supers after a bad 2015.
Football - Spurrier no doubt. Recruiting fell off last few years obviously which is a shame. But what he did was remarkable. I think Muschamp can turn it around if given time. He seems to be a recruiting animal, but you're not going to sign 5 start kids overnight. Gotta get the 3 star kids to play well and turn heads.
MBB - McGuire obviously, although he didn't have a ton of great postseason success. Still the benchmark for the program which has done nothing since early '70s (minus a couple of good years under Fogler etc.). I like current direction of team.
Please add Shelley Smith W Soccer and their whole staff esp strength and conditioning coach. Our women were one of the two or three best conditioned teams in the country
Also add Boo Major
I've been encouraged in the past only to see things not come to a satisfactory fruition. Last year's men's basketball team took the cake. Also, I've been watching Carolina athletics since I was about 10, so 56 years. I've familiarized myself with the pattern. Right now, we are at a precipice. Basketball now belongs to Tanner; football belongs to Tanner; baseball belongs to Tanner. His viability will be determined by the status of these programs within the next three years.
No, it won't be about soccer or golf. Sorry.
I don't see it as deflecting. As Teddy Roosevelt said, "do what you can, with what you have, where you are". It's cost nothing to make an effort to tackle someone, even if they are a premier athlete. Dante Sawyer seems to feel the same way.
This is completely lame....how he handled the weather situation..what does this even mean. He completely followed the protocol of the governor of this state who was praised for her decision making. The football search was conducted completely out of the public as it should have been. Some became frustrated because he revealed nothing. Once again he revealed no information about Sin's suspension because that is how he has always operated. He followed rules that were already in place. He did not make them up. He does not owe anyone an explanation except for Pastides and the BOT. It was hardly a PR disaster because he chose not to discuss it. As for his presentation so what..the construction is being done isn't it. As for your immature "bumpkin" comment, he is the only a.d. In the country who has also won two national titles. Stop talking out of your ass.
And there's nothing wrong with that, from a micro perspective. We need that. But where we want to go as a program is going to require a macro approach to collegiate athletic administration. If Tanner turns out to be a jet pilot, well and good. But until I see different, he's jut a crop duster jockey, in over his head. I'm either right or wrong - it won't be decided today. I'd rather be wrong. I want to see South Carolina athletics thrive before I move on.
Tanner is in over his head.... have your heard him speak in public??? Case closed
Go look at how the LSU and UF ADs handled the weather situation. Contrast that with RT. For that matter, look at how McGee handled Holtz's very first game at NCSU.
His football coaching search was an embarrassment. Plus, he was used/abused by Rodriguez. Hyman, McGee, Marcum, et al. would NEVER have allowed that to happen.
I disagree that Sin's suspension "is how he has always operated." When he initially suspended players for stealing back when he was beisbol coach, we knew everything before RT ultimately canned them from the team.
I don't care if RT won 100 titles. He's no AD.
RichRod is a liar and I doubt he was ever contacted. Now, I don't understand how the firm landed on Sonny Dykes if they were looking for a strong recruiter. That was a head scratcher.
Ding ding ding! They've been screwing us for decades. We have way too many politics and self servers involved with USC.
I'm quite confused, can you please explain to me what the similarities of being a CEO of a large company and being the AD at a major power five university?
Thanks for all the responses although I definitely disagree with some. My original post was specifically about performance across the board....not just football. The AD is accountable for athletic excellence across the board. First, RT was in charge and watched from the sidelines as Spurrier went into cruise mode and propped his feet up on the desk. Any professional, experienced, executive in charge should have been able to see this long before the results of it were seen on the field. Another reason the success of Spurrier was short lived was because of coaching staff inconsistency where the AD was unable to play a role in helping keep the staff together for the consistency the program really needs. Second...if you don't see that sports like baseball, mens soccer, etc have taken steps back in the last few years you are blind. Third....lack of championships. If you look at the number of conference and national titles our teams have won in the last 3 years its a short list....especially compared to the SEC programs we compete with. But hey....we have a high GPA.
Let me be clear.....I wasn't saying RT should be fired (and no I wasn't supportive of the hire). Just that I think he needs to hear much more pressure from USC board, alums and boosters that he has got to kick it into high gear. I expect our program to be first class from top to bottom. As ATLCOCK said, for the AD to show up at a booster meeting and hold up cardboard cards of our facilities improvements just smacks of second-rate. It's bush league and embarrassing. I expect program excellence from facilities, performance on the field, game day experience, band, cheerleaders and on and on. Our website is crappy, our media partner is pretty pathetic, our PR department is practically non-existent (while Clemson's is world class) and the list goes on.
You don't have to be demanding the firing of coaches to demand excellence from top to bottom. It all trickles down to getting the best athletes and competing at the highest level.
GO COCKS!!!
Let me be clear.....I wasn't saying RT should be fired (and no I wasn't supportive of the hire). Just that I think he needs to hear much more pressure from USC board, alums and boosters that he has got to kick it into high gear. I expect our program to be first class from top to bottom. As ATLCOCK said, for the AD to show up at a booster meeting and hold up cardboard cards of our facilities improvements just smacks of second-rate. It's bush league and embarrassing. I expect program excellence from facilities, performance on the field, game day experience, band, cheerleaders and on and on. Our website is crappy, our media partner is pretty pathetic, our PR department is practically non-existent (while Clemson's is world class) and the list goes on.
You don't have to be demanding the firing of coaches to demand excellence from top to bottom. It all trickles down to getting the best athletes and competing at the highest level.
GO COCKS!!!
...and for the record....one of the base requirements I would have for hiring a USC AD is someone who has successfully done the job at a decent sized university before. The job is WAY too important to take a chance on someone who has never done it before......no matter how many titles he may have won at the school as a coach. They simply are not the same job. For all of us that hire folks for important, more senior level positions in our own professional lives, we wouldn't consider hiring someone with no experience. That being said and as I said before, I am not saying he needs to be fired, just that the pressure needs to ratchet up.
pepsicock
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Hell man. Your ass hates everybody , To bad your UGA basketball lost tonight. From your beloved Frank Martin.
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