WBB...that is it.
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So you're comparing patriotism to the actual human life of your mother. Hmmmm
I wonder if they will put something, on the unis, in support of the 280+ Law Enforcement officers shot and 40+ law enforcement officers killed in 2020 alone????
Something like "Blue Lives Matter"??? I bet not!!
I keep wondering if this will ever dawn on individuals like that; doesn’t look like that will happen. It would be nice to see the black community take a more participatory, constructive role in race relations.
but you did say that calling the NA just a song is like calling your mother just a woman you respected. That is a comparison of the two. Patriotism is just something I've never fully grasped. I've seen guys who would rather see you kick your mother down a flight of stairs than see you do anything disrespectful to the flag. What does it say about us as human beings when we care more about a piece of cloth than we do about actual human lives? I will never trade my humanity for patriotism.
You are SO OVERBOARD!! Patriotism is (Even if you think it is BAD) is not a BAD thing. It does not make you a racist, I too am for America First!!
I don't think patriotism is bad. I just think expecting everyone to have the same reverence for it as you is too much. The greatest thing about America is that we each have a right to our own opinions and beliefs. Getting worked up when someone doesn't share the same beliefs as you is asinine and unhealthy.
Wow man. That is some shite you just posted. I am surprised you didnt start it off with "I'm not racist but..." It has been tried. But like ad said they are told to "get over it." Or "you dont know what your talking about boy." So the next logical step is peaceful protest but then here you guys are deriding that. Telling them "oh maybe they think they would be better off in Africa." Do you guys hear what you are saying or is the racism so deeply ingrained that you think it's ok and normal.[/QUOTE]
This whole thing just makes me sad . I love my country and I choose to stand but I also fully respect and acknowledge the RIGHTS and FREEDOMS of those who choose not to in order to shed light on something in our country that is a problem . Again please don’t take this the wrong way but Until you’ve lived it or seen it with your own two eyes you can’t really have an opinion . Also the comments like “Spitting on the American flag or Anthem” are just ignorant . I’ll be the first to whoop somebody’s ass if I see someone burning or spitting on a flag but this is not what is happening . If billy bob can go take a piss or grab a beer and nachos during the anthem which is more disrespectful. If you ask me the protests have been wildly successful. Millions of dollars have been raised , people are talking , police are being held more accountable, and in general a massive spotlight has been put on an issue that has been hid in the shadows for years .. Would any of this have happened if these protests were not so polarizing . I say no . However , the goal is to get to a point where they are no longer necessary and when that’s the case we will be in a better place . If you are truly as patriotic as you profess to be then you should support the belief that America is the land of the free and these young women have every right to do what they did . You ain’t gotta like , you ain’t gotta support it financially, but you gotta acknowledge and respect their freedom to do it .
When Jimi Hendrix did this at Woodstock he was crucified by many Americans for desecrating the National Anthem . In this version he clearly wanted to encompass all the chaos going on at the time . Young men dying in Vietnam , race riots and civil unrest in America , etc etc . If you listen clearly hear the bombs and people screaming for help . He was absolutely crucified at the time . This Black, (not the word he was called at the time) Drug using , , anti war Hippy is destroying our National Anthem , it’s a disgrace . He played the anthem at shows for years and got the same backlash but the Woodstock performance would introduce it to millions and millions of people . He knew it was gonna be a bomb going off and he did it anyway . He received death threats , people burned his records and called him every name under the sun . Now almost 50 years later it’s considered a Masterpiece and probably the most famous version of the National Anthem ever . A black Hippy from Seattle protesting the Vietnam war and Racism and inequality in America with his version of the National Anthem . However at the time it was a desecration... just something to think about on both sides .
Sitting or kneeling for the anthem says you are inheritly in the belief that this country is a racist nation and treats minorities unequally. They have been fed a media story which is still broadcast over 90% of TV and internet social media. They think all police get up in the morning wondering who they are going to shoot or harass. This is ridiculous and the FBI stats show that. Have these girls been mistreated or harassed because of their race? Or do they think everyone else has? They have been taken down a road of a political action group that wants the present republic to go away and have socialism. No nuclear family, no religion, just their leaders in charge with them reaping the power and money.
Lol. I don’t know you but I’m guessing you weren’t around back then, because that’s a ginormous load of hooey.
It's not an exaggeration. I had a conversation with an ex-marine who stated he would kill someone over them burning the flag.
Bro I’ve been a working musician for 20 years , I’ve been all over the country and world and I’ve idolized Jimi since I was 9 years old and read every biography and every article ever written about him from the time he was an paratrooper In Kentucky until modern day . If you really want to die on this hill come at me . i promise you will lose . What was Jimi’s first gig ?? Who discovered him ?? Who did he get his first Strat?? What was his girlfriends name when he first discovered Bob Dylan ?? Name all the members of the band on the stage that day at Woodstock because it wasn’t just Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding ( it was Billy Cox) . Oh btw just in case .... watch this 2 minutes in specifically. You can put debate me on many things my friend but you’re in over your head on anything regarding James Marshall Hendrix
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Nope, sorry friend. I’ll be glad to direct you to any number of predominantly black communities that chose to forgo victimhood for responsibility; you tell me if they look oppressed and victimized. I respect anyone that makes something of themselves and doesn’t hide behind rhetoric and narrative, claiming to want equality of opportunity while demanding advantages and equality of outcome. Call me what you want.
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I’m not talking about being a fanboy son; I’m talking about actually being around at that time. Btw, I’ve been a working musician off and on for 50 years; my band was making $1000 a night at that time, big money in 1970. A couple of us actually planned on going to Woodstock but I got the Hong Kong flu, true story. At any rate, Lennon saying the Beatles were more popular than Jesus back then generated WAAAAY greater backlash than Hendrix at Woodstock.
Nope, sorry friend. I’ll be glad to direct you to any number of predominantly black communities that chose to forgo victimhood for responsibility; you tell me if they look oppressed and victimized. I respect anyone that makes something of themselves and doesn’t hide behind rhetoric and narrative, claiming to want equality of opportunity while demanding advantages and equality of outcome. It’s not the kneeling and not standing we don’t like. It’s YOU...the ones DOING the kneeling we don’t like. The ones that think THEIR desire to “make a statement” about an issue they don’t even have a good understanding of to start with supersedes the decency of being civil enough to show respect for the country that provides them with so much. It’s YOU we don’t like. Don’t mistake them as some sort of social justice leaders. They’re not willing to do even the minimal research to get any kind of information to know what they’re talking about or to know what they should be fighting. Call me what you want.
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Once again you have proven my point. Your mind is closed. I pity you.
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Once again you have proven my point. Your mind is closed. I pity you.
I jumped straight to pg 10 to see what kind of argument this thread had devolved into........ It did not disappoint (sadly).
So in other words ignore the people that have been personally effected by it. Your words resemble those who defended Jim Crow era laws and thought those who protested that were ungrateful. I question you this, why is that our own sitting senator Tim Scott was pulled over 7 times in one year? Why is it necessary that acts such as the First Step Act and the Fair Sentencing Act was put into place, one of which our president considers as one of his biggest accomplishments. Why is that black people are more likely to go to jail 3 to 4 times for doing marijuana when it's been proven that their white counterparts actually participate in it just as likely if not more. You mix in job discrimination, education discrimination and housing discrimination on top of the biases in the judicial system and you still wonder why people feel neglected in this country. The system isn't fair and it targets some groups and people are sick and tired of it. The least one can do listen, even if you don't agree with their stance. As shocking as it may seem some people do have real life experiences that encourage their beliefs that's not tied to the media.
I think it is whole lot of nothing and a reason why I think all of these protests should quietly end. There is no protest when either you are too scared to accept the blowback or throw together a message that is not true to placate the majority while giving a nod to the protests. I wouldn't wear the patch because the idea of unity, while noble, is just not true. It is sort of like the canned messages on the back of NBA jerseys during the playoffs where Lebron James just said, "that's alright, I will just wear my name on my jersey". I am not saying the players should protest or not. However, you never, in an effective protest, start letting people that may oppose you put their hands on it.
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Yes you are absolutely right about your Lennon backlash .. I’ll give you that . However there’s no way you can deny what I stated in my post . It’s just the truth plain and simple . I salute you as a working musician because you know it’s a brotherhood and I respect your grind but nothing I said is not the Truth . That’s not up for debate . Also I’ve supported my family put a kid thru college and paid my house off playing music so i guess that’s pretty good for a “fanboy” .
.....and you are still responding. It must be a sad existence to get triggered by any little thing I or any other black person does. My posts and the protests for that matter are not about you.
Ok, peace, not worth arguing over. Fwiw, I played Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner at my high school senior talent assembly in 1972, and the administration didn't have any problem with it.
Btw, kudos for building your life on music, that’s living the dream. My hats off to you.
Thank you my friend . I tell ya this year has been crazy . Went from a full calendar for the year to literally nothing for months . It sucks bro !!! Almost thought about selling a few guitars ... almost Haha . This to shall pass my friend . Makes you appreciate every gig !!
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So they are not about me. Who are they about then, just others? You make no sense because, once again, there are no specifics behind the entire thing.
No, they are not about you. That is what I tell people all the time. Stop internalizing everything and thinking every issue concerning race is about you. I have seen several posts about Black criminality on here. Didn’t respond because they aren’t talking about me. So, hopefully everything about racism is not about you.
If Dawn coaches the USA team, and they win gold, do you think she would let the team sit?
That would be bad if she did....
That would be bad if she did....
I always try to keep telling myself, "go easy on them...they are just southerners from South Carolina.....so as such, they were not educated well, as their parents were not educated well, as their grandparents, and on and on and so forth..."
Here's some wasted wisdom about our nation: men and women in the military HAVE NEVER given ANY US citizens ANY right to do ANYTHING.
I think we've spent too much time and money in making all these John Wayne hollywood war movies and such.
We make so much about SOLDIERS going off to fight wars to protect and preserve our rights and liberties and way of life, that it's taken on a life of it's own: "soldiers go off to fight in wars...." "soldiers do this"......"soldiers do that".
So I guess Soldiers are higher citizens than other non-soldier US citizens, and should be appointed higher standing from other citizens when it comes to the law, when it comes to rights and freedoms and liberties. Like, SOLDIERS have MORE RIGHTS and FREEDOMS than the rest of us, right? Because after all. They are SOLDIERS.
And while I have as much appreciation for those who DID fight in wars and put their lives on the line protecting and defending our rights and liberties. I have to call this out for what it is, simply.
BULLSHIT
Breaking NEWS: SOLDIERS do NOT go off to war to fight and defend our freedoms and liberties and way of life, putting their lives on the line.
UNITED STATES CITIZENS go off to war to fight and defend our freedoms and liberties and way of life.
That is WHAT US Citizens do. That is the WHAT of it. Joining a federal military service, putting on a military uniform, and wielding a military-grade weapon, is just one way HOW US citizens do that. It is not and has NEVER been the WHAT.
We talk about Soldiers and militaries. We prop them up a little too high, for my tastes. The GREATEST war we've ever fought as a nation of people - still to this day the single ONLY war we have a dedicated federally recognized day of remembrance for - was the war that EARNED us our rights and freedoms to call ourselves an independent nation. More than two-thirds of the "patriots" that fought in that war DID NOT wear a military uniform, and did NOT enlist in any federal military service. Sure, there was a Colonial Army and Colonial Navy, but if everything depended on THEM, we'd still be speaking with British accents and toasting tea to the Queen today.
No, that war was won on the backs of the "volunteer republic militia". What we today call simple genuine article CITIZENS.
The Constitution says NOTHING about native United States citizens needing to spend a single minute in military service in order to gain their citizenship. NOTHING about requiring time in a chosen military service in order to gain rights, freedoms, or liberties. We're all the same in that regard, if we spend a 50-yr glorious career in military, or if we don't spend 50 seconds in it.
We're ALL born with unalienable rights, freedoms, and liberties - military service be damned. And we are ALSO born with unalienable RESPONSIBILITIES for those rights. As US Citizens, NOT as "soldiers".
US Soldiers are tasked with fighting foreign threats to our national security and sovereignty. Foreign, as in OUTSIDE our borders. Threats from people who don't speak our language. From cultures that are alien to our own. From governments that seek to steal away our rights and liberties.
But those are NOT the "only" threats to our rights and liberties that exist. Every single day, our rights are UNDER ASSAULT right here at home, within our nation's borders. Under attack by others who call themselves "US Citizens". It's NOT the responsibility of soldiers to defend ourselves against THOSE threats. It is the responsibilities of ALL US CITIZENS.
If the people who kneel/sit/not stand do so for the reasons that they claim they do - to protest unconstitutional and racist abuses and violations against Citizens' rights and liberties - then they do NOT disrespect the flag, the anthem, the Constitution, soldiers, and what they all represent by their actions.
THEY ARE DEFENDING THE FLAG, THE ANTHEM, THE CONSTITUTION, SOLDIERS, AND ALL THAT THEY REPRESENT, by their actions.
By taking responsibility that is unalienable to them as US Citizens. Just as surely as ANY soldiers do on foreign lands in battles. Only, they don't do it as soldiers. They are doing it as Citizens. Just the way the Constitution says it should be done. The ONLY way it says it should be done (minus of course the part about taking up arms).
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