We Are Firmly Entrenched as a WBB School...

[Cockish]

This post is not to bash Dawn for she deserves her pay 'cause she's a PROVEN winner. But with Ray firmly entrenched as AD and his proven inability to make reasonable HC hiring/firing/retention decisions, our men's 3 major sports programs will be in the shadows of our WBB program for years to come.

 

[rogue cock]

Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?

 

[DarkCock]

Awesome

 

[kidrobinski]

We had an AD that hired Paul Dietzel. We had an AD that hired Lou Holtz. We had an AD that hired Steve Spurrier. All with previous national championship resumes.

Yet here we are.

Our fanbase has equal measures of Paulie from the Rocky movies and Sheldon Cooper from Best Bamg Theory.

 

[rogue cock]

We had an AD that hired Paul Dietzel. We had an AD that hired Lou Holtz. We had an AD that hired Steve Spurrier. All with previous national championship resumes.

Yet here we are.

Our fanbase has equal measures of Paulie from the Rocky movies and Sheldon Cooper from Best Bamg Theory.

We also had an AD that allowed out athletic facilities to become some of the worst in the SEC and ACC and allowed our student-athletes academics to become some of the worst in the conference to the point where we were flirting with the loss of scholarships under the NCAA rules.

 

[irmococky]

We also had an AD that allowed out athletic facilities to become some of the worst in the SEC and ACC and allowed our student-athletes academics to become some of the worst in the conference to the point where we were flirting with the loss of scholarships under the NCAA rules.

The current facilities are the result of Hymans tenure as AD.

 

[rogue cock]

The current facilities are the result of Hymans tenure as AD.

Hyman hired a design firm and had them designed. Spurrier got the initial funding for the Dodie. The others had been sitting on the planning board with nothing being done. Tanner is the one that got the initial funding from the large donors, went to the BOT and the legislature to get them approved and went and got the contracts to build them and oversaw their completion. And Founder's Park was all Tanner from the design, to the selection and acquisition of the land, to the design and construction of the park....the whole shebang was left to him.

May want to look at the reason TAMU hired him and then fired him.

 

[uscwatson21]

Hyman hired a design firm and had them designed. Spurrier got the initial funding for the Dodie. The others had been sitting on the planning board with nothing being done. Tanner is the one that got the initial funding from the large donors, went to the BOT and the legislature to get them approved and went and got the contracts to build them and oversaw their completion. And Founder's Park was all Tanner from the design, to the selection and acquisition of the land, to the design and construction of the park....the whole shebang was left to him.

May want to look at the reason TAMU hired him and then fired him.

We get it, your friend is a board member. I can't believe you're honestly happy with the output of our athletics department at the moment.

 

[SweetgrassVodka]

Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?

Anybody is better than Ray Tanner.

 

[rogue cock]

We get it, your friend is a board member. I can't believe you're honestly happy with the output of our athletics department at the moment.

Happy with the Athletic Department overall....not happy with the status of our men's basketball or football programs. Hyman hired Eddie Fogler to select Horn and then Martin.

If we weren't attempting to get funding from the legislature for the USC medical university last year, Martin may have not been here this year.

 

[SweetgrassVodka]

We get it, your friend is a board member. I can't believe you're honestly happy with the output of our athletics department at the moment.

Yeah. Facilities were in cruise control with SEC money. Tanner is a disgrace.

 

[rogue cock]

Anybody is better than Ray Tanner.

So you can't find one.....figured as much.

 

[rogue cock]

Yeah. Facilities were in cruise control with SEC money. Tanner is a disgrace.

You have no clue.

 

[titaniumspur]

Within a couple of years, WBB could be completely changed by the presence of just one or two transgender 7 footers. We just invested millions of dollars into a sport that we have no idea what it will look like in a few years. “Equity” sermons get a little more complicated in that scenario.

 

[uscwatson21]

If we weren't attempting to get funding from the legislature for the USC medical university last year, Martin may have not been here this year.

So we can't afford to fire a coach in an actual revenue sport, but we can spend an extra million on a program that loses millions of dollars each year.

 

[rogue cock]

So we can't afford to fire a coach in an actual revenue sport, but we can spend an extra million on a program that loses millions of dollars each year.

Ask the legislature. They brought the matter up last year when the University was attempting to get funding for the medical school. Like it or not any LT funding for any project has to go through the legislative approval.

 

[uscwatson21]

Ask the legislature. They brought the matter up last year when the University was attempting to get funding for the medical school. Like it or not any LT funding for any project has to go through the legislative approval.

You're all over the place with your arguments and none of them connect to be logical.

 

[rogue cock]

You're all over the place with your arguments and none of them connect to be logical.

How do they not connect? And how am I "all over the place"?

 

[caughtlookin]

You're all over the place with your arguments and none of them connect to be logical.

sorry my friend, but you have proven in many threads to not even know what or how to be logical is.

 

[uscwatson21]

How do they not connect? And how am I "all over the place"?

You argued the school couldn’t a medical school because it looked bad to the legislature to spend money we didn’t have.

That same athletic department just spent more money and that’s ok?

 

[rogue cock]

You argued the school couldn’t a medical school because it looked bad to the legislature to spend money we didn’t have.

That same athletic department just spent more money and that’s ok?

Annual salaries require the approval of the President and the BOT.

LT financing for projects (whether University or Athletic) require approval of the legislature because they require public bonds to be issued.

Thatls not to say that some legislators may not understand the niceties of the differences or won't bring up a salary or a buyout of a salary issue when the other is being debated. That is politics.

 

[USCBIRDS]

What can I say but…thanks Ray…for our current competitiveness in football, men’s basketball and baseball. Too bad…We didn’t tell you to pound sand, when you strong-armed your way into the AD job.

 

[Cockish]

Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?

Honestly I don't know but since you seem content with the current AD, indulge me with your hypothetical AD replacement.

 

[CockySC01]

Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?

Put me on the BOT and I’ll name one! Ray would be canned so fast.

 

[SweetgrassVodka]

Ask the legislature. They brought the matter up last year when the University was attempting to get funding for the medical school. Like it or not any LT funding for any project has to go through the legislative approval.

You have no clue. Quit posting nonsense.

 

[rogue cock]

You have no clue. Quit posting nonsense.

Actually, I do.

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[GarnetBeamer]

95% of our fan base would trade a national title in women's basketball for a lower tier bowl game for the football team this year. Make no mistake, we are still solidly a football school. Just not a very good one. And Dawn wouldn't be making that salary without revenue generated by the football team.

 

[Kitchenlabs]

This post is not to bash Dawn for she deserves her pay 'cause she's a PROVEN winner. But with Ray firmly entrenched as AD and his proven inability to make reasonable HC hiring/firing/retention decisions, our men's 3 major sports programs will be in the shadows of our WBB program for years to come.

Sounds like Tennessee when Pat Summit was at her zenith.

 

[DarkHorse2001]

Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?

Anyone with previous experience at a university that takes football seriously would be a good place to start looking. The South Carolina BOT removed perhaps the best college baseball coach in the nation, and placed him in a more important job for which he had minimum qualifications. This BOT decision resulted in a double loss for USC sports. South Carolina lost its outstanding coach for the baseball team, and we get a new AD with no experience.

We soon needed a football coach. Of course this is a very important decision. Our new AD selects Muschamp. A man that had recently been fired at Florida, because he crashed their program. Everybody except the always optimistic cheerleaders, the eternal sunshine pumpers, knew this was a risky hire with no solid logic for selecting Muschamp. As expected by many. Just like he did at Florida. Muschamp crashed the South Carolina football program.

Once again we are in need of a football coach. Our AD with limited experience by now, selects a man that has never been a head coach anywhere. Why make such a risky hire again? It was not a necessary risk to take. After seven games there is at best minimal, if any improvement so far. Most recently we needed an improbable last minute drive to defeat the worst P5 team in the nation. The mistakes made by the BOT are killing USC football. They are the reason the men's athletic program is the worst in the SEC.

 

[garnet_reign]

... to not even know what or how to be logical is.

Holy shit. 😂

 

[garnet_reign]

On the original topic, personally I'm happy for the WBB team and all, but yeah put me in the camp that would trade a NC in WBB for a mid level bowl game in football. Hell maybe even a win against Clemson in a year like 2019. I guess it's just accepted that the sport is merely an expense on the balance sheet and doesn't require any ROI to justify spending more. I suppose it does provide some type of overall value in terms of image / overall perception.

 

[rogue cock]

Anyone with previous experience at a university that takes football seriously would be a good place to start looking. The South Carolina BOT removed perhaps the best college baseball coach in the nation, and placed him in a more important job for which he had minimum qualifications. This BOT decision resulted in a double loss for USC sports. South Carolina lost its outstanding coach for the baseball team, and we get a new AD with no experience.

We soon needed a football coach. Of course this is a very important decision. Our new AD selects Muschamp. A man that had recently been fired at Florida, because he crashed their program. Everybody except the always optimistic cheerleaders, the eternal sunshine pumpers, knew this was a risky hire with no solid logic for selecting Muschamp. As expected by many. Just like he did at Florida. Muschamp crashed the South Carolina football program.

Once again we are in need of a football coach. Our AD with limited experience by now, selects a man that has never been a head coach anywhere. Why make such a risky hire again? It was not a necessary risk to take. After seven games there is at best minimal, if any improvement so far. Most recently we needed an improbable last minute drive to defeat the worst P5 team in the nation. The mistakes made by the BOT are killing USC football. They are the reason the men's athletic program is the worst in the SEC.

This is wrong on several counts.

 

[DarkHorse2001]

This is wrong on several counts.

Please correct my errors.

 

[rogue cock]

Please correct my errors.

First, regardless whether his was being named AD or not, Tanner was no longer going to coach baseball.

Second, Muschamp was not Tanner's first or second offer. He may not have been his third choice as another candidate had removed his name. Tanner hired him, but he definitely wasn't the first choice.

Third, Caslen and a few select members of the BOT were conducting the search and the interviews at the time Beamer was interviewed and they were impressed by the "atta-boys" of several of Beamer's former players. One that Tanner had interviewed and was "talking to" was asked to reinterview with the president and the board members and he refused.

 

[vidaliagamecock]

Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?

Who cares about a can't miss when the current guy is an abject failure?

 

[Kitchenlabs]

Anyone with previous experience at a university that takes football seriously would be a good place to start looking. The South Carolina BOT removed perhaps the best college baseball coach in the nation, and placed him in a more important job for which he had minimum qualifications. This BOT decision resulted in a double loss for USC sports. South Carolina lost its outstanding coach for the baseball team, and we get a new AD with no experience.

We soon needed a football coach. Of course this is a very important decision. Our new AD selects Muschamp. A man that had recently been fired at Florida, because he crashed their program. Everybody except the always optimistic cheerleaders, the eternal sunshine pumpers, knew this was a risky hire with no solid logic for selecting Muschamp. As expected by many. Just like he did at Florida. Muschamp crashed the South Carolina football program.

Once again we are in need of a football coach. Our AD with limited experience by now, selects a man that has never been a head coach anywhere. Why make such a risky hire again? It was not a necessary risk to take. After seven games there is at best minimal, if any improvement so far. Most recently we needed an improbable last minute drive to defeat the worst P5 team in the nation. The mistakes made by the BOT are killing USC football. They are the reason the men's athletic program is the worst in the SEC.

What in the world are you talking about? The BOT did not remove Tanner from baseball. After I saw that I didn't bother with the rest of your post.

 

[rogue cock]

Who cares about a can't miss when the current guy is an abject failure?

Guess you haven't seen all the new and improved athletic facilities or noticed that we now have the top student-athlete scores in the conference.

 

[DarkHorse2001]

First, regardless whether his was being named AD or not, Tanner was no longer going to coach baseball.

Second, Muschamp was not Tanner's first or second offer. He may not have been his third choice as another candidate had removed his name. Tanner hired him, but he definitely wasn't the first choice.

Third, Caslen and a few select members of the BOT were conducting the search and the interviews at the time Beamer was interviewed and they were impressed by the "atta-boys" of several of Beamer's former players. One that Tanner had interviewed and was "talking to" was asked to reinterview with the president and the board members and he refused.

First, regardless whether his was being named AD or not, Tanner was no longer going to coach baseball.
First I have heard that Tanner was no longer going to coach baseball here. What was he planning on doing? Either way, this does not change the situation we are now in.

Second, Muschamp was not Tanner's first or second offer. He may not have been his third choice as another candidate had removed his name. Tanner hired him, but he definitely wasn't the first choice.
Tanner hired him, no excuses. Just because Muschamp was not his top choice does not change that.

Third, Caslen and a few select members of the BOT were conducting the search and the interviews at the time Beamer was interviewed and they were impressed by the "atta-boys" of several of Beamer's former players.
Why did the Athletic Director's superiors not allow him to search and interview? Had they lost confidence in his decision making?

they were impressed by the "atta-boys" of several of Beamer's former players.
If they made their decision based on some former players, that seems very dumb on their part.

 

[DarkHorse2001]

What in the world are you talking about? The BOT did not remove Tanner from baseball. After I saw that I didn't bother with the rest of your post.

I was just informed that Tanner had already coached his last baseball game as our coach. Did you know that?

 

[DarkHorse2001]

Guess you haven't seen all the new and improved athletic facilities or noticed that we now have the top student-athlete scores in the conference.

How is this helping us in the wins and loss column?