One thing the Clempson AD did was not screw things up. Cant say the same for RT. You Tanner fan boys will never be able to be reasoned with. He is a below average SEC AD and will stay at Carolina as long as we suffer through it because no other school is interested.
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One thing the Clempson AD did was not screw things up. Cant say the same for RT. You Tanner fan boys will never be able to be reasoned with. He is a below average SEC AD and will stay at Carolina as long as we suffer through it because no other school is interested.
I know enough to know when the university is paying a guy millions to oversee the decline of all major mens sports at USC. More than I can say for you. No surprise you didn't want to talk about those on the field/court records.
Hyman hired Martin and Horn. Men's baseball seems to be on the rise again in Kingston's third full season. No one argues that the Muschamp hire turned out to be a bad one....but he went after Herman and Smart first. Herman didn't do bad and Smart....well, that speaks for itself.
You're going to get more donations if you win. Ticket prices can be raised, etc.
To quote you, and your misunderstanding of the situation:
The South Carolina BOT removed perhaps the best college baseball coach in the nation, and placed him in a more important job for which he had minimum qualifications.
The BOT didn't remove him. He "removed himself," notifying Eric Hyman that 2013 would be his last year in the dugout. When Hyman announced he was leaving, RT applied for the opening.
Ask Vandy.
No, but they do with the IPTAY BOT....the ones who actually control the athletic purse strings at Clemson.
Our conference distributions are the same as everyone else. There are other streams of revenue outside of conference distributions.
You are right....and under Tanner we have had no problem getting the donations for all the new/improved athletic facilities.
Why doesn't Tanner just slide aside of the typical AD role and become a dedicated fund raiser and school ambassador with a nice base and commission structure? Ego? If they could just get him out of that title role, the noise would immediate quiet and he could retire with the accolades he deserves.
Because he retires in about 2 years with full state employment retirement.
And I am pretty sure he will continue to some extent in those capacities.
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Thats not true.
You cant have it both ways. From the Tanner fan boys we hear he is an excellent fund raiser. Also, when facilities work is criticized, we hear its not his fault because he has to work within state bond restrictions.
So which is it? Seems like an excellent fund raiser at AD could raise the funds needed privately. For example, Villanova just did a $65 million renovation of their basketball facility that was 100% donor funded.
Well, if he was moved into another role, still employed by the university, he would preserve his state retirement.
Fund raising doesn't pay for the whole thing. It allows for the money to qualify under the state bond requirements. Seriously....do some research.Thats not true.
You cant have it both ways. From the Tanner fan boys we hear he is an excellent fund raiser. Also, when facilities work is criticized, we hear its not his fault because he has to work within state bond restrictions.
So which is it? Seems like an excellent fund raiser at AD could raise the funds needed privately. For example, Villanova just did a $65 million renovation of their basketball facility that was 100% donor funded.
Villinova is a private, Catholic institution.
Actually Paul was not hired by an AD, Marvin was the AD/coach when he jumped to the pros.
One might say a committee made the reach to Paul who as hired by Jones.
Paul’s departure, left us without an AD again & a committee got us Carlen. U may recall that Frank was the AD over men’s basketball for a period………somewhere mid 70’s Bo Hagan handled administration duties.
Jones’s administration certainly oversaw the hiring of 3 great coaches…….Frank, Paul & Bobby.
Well, in the Villanova example I gave you, the entire $65 million project was paid for with private donations.
Villanova is a 6,000 student private college with 130,00 living alumni. We are a 35,000+ student comprehensive state university with over 300,000 living.
And why should Villanova athletics be able to out fund raise USC athletics?
Just a guess...but much wealthier donors. Villinova is a very highly rated university.
Our two largest donors, Bob McNair and Darla Moore, were/are much more interested in giving to the University to improve our academic standing than in giving to athletics. Guess we simply do not have the graduates who are willing to give tens of millions of dollars at one time for athletics and on a continuing basis. You have to sell the hell out of them to get what you can.
really? check with florida fans about that
Go to hand it to you....the mental gymnastics you perform to make excuses for Tanner are impressive.
Apply when the position opens up in a couple of years. I'm sure you have direct contact with all the big donors.
South Carolina is one of the poorest states in the country and we don't have any Fortune 500 companies based in our state or a lot of ultra wealthy alumni.
Domtar in Fort Mill is listed as a fortune 500 company...
The upstate has Global 500 companies with offices/plants/manufacturing: GSP=Greenville/Spartanburg
Michelin--GSP
BMW--GSP
Milliken & Company--GSP (this is not a public company)--GSP
GE Power--GSP
South Carolina is poor outside of the upstate GSP, Fort Mill/ South Charlotte, and Coastal Charleston...
You must live in Columbia and never get to the upstate...It's not poor by an stretch...
People are more likely to give to a program that shows a commitment to winning. I shouldn't speak for everyone, but that's how my mind works.
This is what no one wants to talk about lol. And what little we do have (population wise, money etc) we have to basically split with the taters. Why do you think USC student body is half out of state? That’s an intentional decision.
| ank | County | Per capita income | Median household income | Median family income | Population | Number of households |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Beaufort | $32,731 | $55,286 | $65,071 | 162,233 | 64,945 |
| 2 | Charleston | $29,401 | $48,433 | $61,525 | 350,209 | 144,309 |
| United States | $27,334 | $51,914 | $62,982 | 308,745,538 | 116,716,292 | |
| 3 | Lexington | $26,393 | $52,205 | $64,630 | 262,391 | 102,733 |
| 4 | Greenville | $25,931 | $46,830 | $59,043 | 451,225 | 176,531 |
| 5 | Richland | $25,805 | $47,922 | $61,622 | 384,504 | 145,194 |
| 6 | York | $25,707 | $51,925 | $65,188 | 226,073 | 85,864 |
| 7 | Horry | $24,811 | $43,142 | $51,608 | 269,291 | 112,225 |
| 8 | Dorchester | $24,497 | $55,034 | $63,847 | 136,555 | 50,259 |
| 9 | Aiken | $24,172 | $44,468 | $57,064 | 160,099 | 64,253 |
| 10 | Oconee | $24,055 | $42,266 | $52,332 | 74,273 | 30,676 |
| 11 | Georgetown | $23,942 | $42,666 | $54,115 | 60,158 | 24,524 |
| South Carolina | $23,443 | $43,939 | $54,223 | 4,625,364 | 1,801,181 | |
| 12 | Berkeley | $22,865 | $50,777 | $56,869 | 177,843 | 65,419 |
| 13 | Anderson | $22,117 | $42,871 | $53,229 | 187,126 | 73,829 |
| 14 | Florence | $21,932 | $40,487 | $48,896 | 136,885 | 52,653 |
| 15 | Spartanburg | $21,924 | $42,680 | $53,149 | 284,307 | 109,246 |
| 16 | Kershaw | $21,777 | $44,064 | $53,053 | 61,697 | 23,928 |
| 17 | Greenwood | $21,728 | $38,797 | $49,785 | 69,661 | 27,547 |
| 18 | Newberry | $21,410 | $41,815 | $49,560 | 37,508 | 14,709 |
| 19 | Calhoun | $20,845 | $36,790 | $51,975 | 15,175 | 6,080 |
| 20 | Pickens | $20,647 | $41,898 | $53,911 | 119,224 | 45,228 |
| 21 | Darlington | $20,096 | $38,379 | $46,894 | 68,681 | 26,531 |
| 22 | Edgefield | $19,901 | $42,834 | $57,114 | 26,985 | 9,348 |
| 23 | Marion | $19,411 | $35,858 | $43,021 | 33,062 | 13,058 |
| 24 | Lancaster | $19,308 | $38,959 | $46,388 | 76,652 | 29,697 |
| 25 | Sumter | $18,944 | $39,137 | $45,460 | 107,456 | 40,398 |
| 26 | Fairfield | $18,877 | $32,022 | $40,849 | 23,956 | 9,419 |
| 27 | Laurens | $18,757 | $37,529 | $45,769 | 66,537 | 25,525 |
| 28 | Saluda | $18,717 | $40,508 | $45,173 | 19,875 | 7,527 |
| 29 | Union | $18,495 | $33,470 | $42,537 | 28,961 | 11,974 |
| 30 | Jasper | $17,997 | $37,393 | $45,800 | 24,777 | 8,517 |
| 31 | Cherokee | $17,862 | $34,132 | $46,164 | 55,342 | 21,519 |
| 32 | Colleton | $17,842 | $33,263 | $40,955 | 38,892 | 15,131 |
| 33 | Chester | $17,687 | $32,743 | $42,074 | 33,140 | 12,876 |
| 34 | Barnwell | $17,592 | $33,816 | $41,764 | 22,621 | 8,937 |
| 35 | Orangeburg | $17,579 | $32,849 | $40,332 | 92,501 | 35,788 |
| 36 | Chesterfield | $17,162 | $32,979 | $41,225 | 46,734 | 18,173 |
| 37 | Abbeville | $16,653 | $33,143 | $45,147 | 25,417 | 9,990 |
| 38 | Marlboro | $16,653 | $30,629 | $38,043 | 28,933 | 10,383 |
| 39 | Clarendon | $16,562 | $33,066 | $40,492 | 34,971 | 13,132 |
| 40 | Hampton | $16,262 | $34,846 | $43,234 | 21,090 | 7,598 |
| 41 | Bamberg | $16,236 | $32,538 | $41,625 | 15,987 | 6,048 |
| 42 | Dillon | $14,684 | $26,818 | $34,693 | 32,062 | 11,923 |
| 43 | Allendale | $14,190 | $20,081 | $25,146 | 10,419 | 3,706 |
| 44 | McCormick | $13,817 | $27,688 | $32,485 | 10,233 | 4,027 |
| 45 | Williamsburg | $13,513 | $24,191 | $33,705 | 34,423 | 13,007 |
| 46 | Lee | $12,924 | $23,378 | $35,279 | 19,220 | 6,797 |
Alabama just spent $107 million dollars on Bryant Denny Stadium. Ole Miss is planning to announce in January 2022 renovations to their football stadium and ops center rumored to be in the $100 million range.
Clemson, right here in our same "poor" state with a much smaller alumni base. is doing $65 million in renos to Dung Valley.
Excuses.
If we beat Mizzou in football to get 6 wins, excitement for football will dwarf that of women's basketball by at least a factor of 10.
This is from June 2020
No companies headquartered in South Carolina made Fortune 500 list
No companies headquartered in South Carolina made Fortune 500 list
(The Center Square) – No companies with headquarters located in South Carolina earned a place on Fortune magazine’s 2020 list ranking enterprises with the 500 highest fiscal-year revenues in the
I don't necessarily disagree but what's your point?? Its not a zero sum game.
Those companies aren't based in SC, they have facilities here.
2020 median household income by MSA: Charleston - $81,000, Columbia $71,400, Greenville $69,400, Spartanburg $64,700. I've been to the Upstate, but I try and avoid it. Yes, I proudly live in Columbia, the home of the Gamecocks.
https://www.ffiec.gov/pdf/msa20inc.pdf
Per Fortune, Domtar was 532 in 2020 and 553 in 2021; no Fortune 500 companies are based in SC.
https://fortune.com/fortune500/2020/search/
https://fortune.com/fortune500/2021/search/
Pretending that SC isn't one of the poorest states does nothing to change that fact. Is that why USC doesn't have as much money as some other comparable universities? It certainly has to be a factor.
Well you can forget that $hit. In today’s Woke environment of women’s advancement, and in particular black women, you’re only going to see more spending on women’s programs at the expense of men’s programs. It doesn’t matter that women don’t support women’s sports programs, corporations will foot the bill lest they be branded anti-women.
Just illustrating that we're not a women's basketball school. Is it our best sport? Hands down and there's not a close 2nd right now. I understand the OP's point, in that our men's sports are lagging way behind, but to say we're a women's basketball school implies it's the most popular sport and and the one fans care most about. We're not particularly good at football, but it nevertheless is the sport that fans care far and away the most about.
I don't disagree.
But here is another way of looking it, women's basketball is arguably more popular at Carolina than any other school in the nation. We regularly lead the nation in attendance and have the largest college women's basketball fan club in the nation.
