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We Are Firmly Entrenched as a WBB School...

First, regardless whether his was being named AD or not, Tanner was no longer going to coach baseball.
First I have heard that Tanner was no longer going to coach baseball here. What was he planning on doing? Either way, this does not change the situation we are now in.
Tanner was tired of coaching. Wanted to be in administration and had some experience at NCSU. My guess he would have been doing the same at a slightly smaller school.

Second, Muschamp was not Tanner's first or second offer. He may not have been his third choice as another candidate had removed his name. Tanner hired him, but he definitely wasn't the first choice.
Tanner hired him, no excuses. Just because Muschamp was not his top choice does not change that.
I agree....but not sure who there was left.

Third, Caslen and a few select members of the BOT were conducting the search and the interviews at the time Beamer was interviewed and they were impressed by the "atta-boys" of several of Beamer's former players.
Why did the Athletic Director's superiors not allow him to search and interview? Had they lost confidence in his decision making?Ca
Caslen had success in hiring Army's coach and I guess trusted his own gut more than anyone else's.

they were impressed by the "atta-boys" of several of Beamer's former players.
If they made their decision based on some former players, that seems very dumb on their part.
I agree.
 
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I agree....but not sure who there was left.

For anything close to the yearly salary we were paying Muschamp, there had to be several highly qualified, and experienced head coaches that would be interested. I do doubt they received any interest from the decision makers at South Carolina.
 
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Guess you haven't seen all the new and improved athletic facilities or noticed that we now have the top student-athlete scores in the
Oh, great. Good to know it's not about winning anymore. We're basically Vanderbilt (without the academic reputation) with great facilities (without successful athletic programs, save WBB).

I've noticed we don't live in a vacuum either, our facilities are still not in top half of SEC.
 
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This post is not to bash Dawn for she deserves her pay 'cause she's a PROVEN winner. But with Ray firmly entrenched as AD and his proven inability to make reasonable HC hiring/firing/retention decisions, our men's 3 major sports programs will be in the shadows of our WBB program for years to come.
Upstate orange is starting that out of jealousy... we will be fine in all sports... Gooo COCKS!!!
 
Oh, great. Good to know it's not about winning anymore. We're basically Vanderbilt (without the academic reputation) with great facilities (without successful athletic programs, save WBB).

I've noticed we don't live in a vacuum either, our facilities are still not in top half of SEC.
It all gets back to this. South Carolina's men's athletic programs, especially the most important one have been grossly mismanaged. When you ask, why there is a series of terrible decisions concerning this? it seems like the buck is being passed around, and nobody is to blame.
 
I agree....but not sure who there was left.

For anything close to the yearly salary we were paying Muschamp, there had to be several highly qualified, and experienced head coaches that would be interested. I do doubt they received any interest from the decision makers at South Carolina.
Except there weren't.
 
Happy with the Athletic Department overall....not happy with the status of our men's basketball or football programs. Hyman hired Eddie Fogler to select Horn and then Martin.

If we weren't attempting to get funding from the legislature for the USC medical university last year, Martin may have not been here this year.
With our facilities it's currently "all hat, no cattle."
 
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There are about 129 FBS head football coaches across the country. There are about 108 FBS head football coaches making less money than we were paying Muschamp. There were plenty of other experienced coaches to interview and select from.
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Eleven coaches turned Ray down before he hired Muschamp. That has not been publicized. No one wanted the job, but believe what you want.
 
Hyman hired a design firm and had them designed. Spurrier got the initial funding for the Dodie. The others had been sitting on the planning board with nothing being done. Tanner is the one that got the initial funding from the large donors, went to the BOT and the legislature to get them approved and went and got the contracts to build them and oversaw their completion. And Founder's Park was all Tanner from the design, to the selection and acquisition of the land, to the design and construction of the park....the whole shebang was left to him.

May want to look at the reason TAMU hired him and then fired him.

I thought Arkansas designed Founder's Park.....
 
You argued the school couldn’t a medical school because it looked bad to the legislature to spend money we didn’t have.

That same athletic department just spent more money and that’s ok?




THE SCHOOL CAN'T A MEDICAL SCHOOL!!

IT LOOKS BAD!!!! :mad:
 
I was just informed that Tanner had already coached his last baseball game as our coach. Did you know that?

I had read some stuff before - don't even remember now if it was from credible news sources or just message board rumors - but that Tanner strongly lobbied for the chance to replace Hyman as USC AD, and that he implied that if he was passed over, he would move on to either LSU or Texas in a coaching capacity. Was there any truth to this???
 
This post is not to bash Dawn for she deserves her pay 'cause she's a PROVEN winner. But with Ray firmly entrenched as AD and his proven inability to make reasonable HC hiring/firing/retention decisions, our men's 3 major sports programs will be in the shadows of our WBB program for years to come.
At least we are known for something in the sports world. Better than nothing. Men’s basketball, football and baseball ain’t cutting the cheese right now. Jus’ sayin’
 
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There are about 129 FBS head football coaches across the country. There are about 108 FBS head football coaches making less money than we were paying Muschamp. There were plenty of other experienced coaches to interview and select from.
Eleven coaches turned Ray down before he hired Muschamp. That has not been publicized. No one wanted the job, but believe what you want.
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I was referring to when USC fired Muschamp and hired Beamer.
 
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There are about 129 FBS head football coaches across the country. There are about 108 FBS head football coaches making less money than we were paying Muschamp. There were plenty of other experienced coaches to interview and select from.
Eleven coaches turned Ray down before he hired Muschamp. That has not been publicized. No one wanted the job, but believe what you want.
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Who told you that? I personally talked to a BOT and there were only 3 names mentioned by him. We were on the cusp for one and then UGA knocked at midnight.
 
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So Kitchenlabs is saying that Ray offered the job to 11 coaches who all turned us down? I'm going to call B.S. on that. There may have been 11 coaches who declined interest, but to think 11 different men took the time to interview (almost guaranteed multiple times), and then turned down the offer once received? That doesn't make good sense when you think of how these things work in the real world.
 
So Kitchenlabs is saying that Ray offered the job to 11 coaches who all turned us down? I'm going to call B.S. on that. There may have been 11 coaches who declined interest, but to think 11 different men took the time to interview (almost guaranteed multiple times), and then turned down the offer once received? That doesn't make good sense when you think of how these things work in the real world.
And I was told the whole Rich Rod thing was a ruse by him and his agent. I don't know that for a fact but that's what he said. I guess there could've been contact but he said we never were interested. I would like to know who the 11 are. Herman, Smart, and Muschamp were the only names I heard that we seriously went after.
 
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There are about 129 FBS head football coaches across the country. There are about 108 FBS head football coaches making less money than we were paying Muschamp. There were plenty of other experienced coaches to interview and select from.
Eleven coaches turned Ray down before he hired Muschamp. That has not been publicized. No one wanted the job, but believe what you want.
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Or could it be that Tanner didn’t have the savvy to close the deal? I can guarantee you Mike McGee wouldn’t have had to settle for Muschamp. But then again he was a seasoned. top-flight AD who knew what he was doing.
 
And I was told the whole Rich Rod thing was a ruse by him and his agent. I don't know that for a fact but that's what he said. I guess there could've been contact but he said we never were interested. I would like to know who the 11 are. Herman, Smart, and Muschamp were the only names I heard that we seriously went after.
Agree on Rich Rod. The only other one I can think of is Lincoln Riley, who I heard had a very good interview, but withdrew before any offer could be made.

A lot of names were mentioned by fans like Fuente, Patterson, etc..., none of whom I would think were serious candidates.
 
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Eleven coaches turned Ray down before he hired Muschamp. That has not been publicized. No one wanted the job, but believe what you want.

Or could it be that Tanner didn’t have the savvy to close the deal? I can guarantee you Mike McGee wouldn’t have had to settle for Muschamp. But then again he was a seasoned. top-flight AD who knew what he was doing.
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Naivete probably played a part. We weren't getting Herman after Texas got involved....he just got a better contract from Houston until the Texas job came open. It's sounds as though Smart played us to force UGA to act. We are not the first school that sruff has happened to.,...abd we won't be the last.
 
Agree on Rich Rod. The only other one I can think of is Lincoln Riley, who I heard had a very good interview, but withdrew before any offer could be made.

A lot of names were mentioned by fans like Fuente, Patterson, etc..., none of whom I would think were serious candidates.
Slipped my mind lol
 
Whether or not you and I agree, the athletic department is about much more than just wins and losses.
Wins and losses is a pretty good score card for the other things too. If its about money (which is what it really is), wins produces more. If its about teaching the athletes to work together as a team, wins is a good scorecard. If its about teaching the athletes something else, all of the coaches are overpaid in relation to the professors at the school.

The only thing these coaches do differently than any other employee at the school who deals directly with the kids is they bring in more money. Money comes from wins. There really isn't any reason to pay them what they make unless they win.
 
Wins and losses is a pretty good score card for the other things too. If its about money (which is what it really is), wins produces more. If its about teaching the athletes to work together as a team, wins is a good scorecard. If its about teaching the athletes something else, all of the coaches are overpaid in relation to the professors at the school.

The only thing these coaches do differently than any other employee at the school who deals directly with the kids is they bring in more money. Money comes from wins. There really isn't any reason to pay them what they make unless they win.
What? Not really....not anymore. We get the same as all other SEC schools whether we win or lose. We are definitely a donee school.....we ride the backs of a few other schools in our conference. If we actually recieved our "fair share" I think a lot of people on here would be very disappointed.
 
Name me that "can't miss" AD that you would hire?

Tanner has hired Muschamp, Holbrooke and Kingston (who the jury is still out on)....and Holbrook many programs were after.

So who's your "sure-fire, can't miss" AD?
.....and the Tanner fan boys return.
 
LOL. Can't answer the question can you? Not really surprised.
The only meaningful answer to anything about Tanners job performance is a summary of the won/loss records of USC football, baseball and mens basketball over the last 5 years. For a finer point, check out same sports, same time frame record vs Clempson.
 
The only meaningful answer to anything about Tanners job performance is a summary of the won/loss records of USC football, baseball and mens basketball over the last 5 years. For a finer point, check out same sports, same time frame record vs Clempson.
Actually it is not. There is a lot more to do with the athletic department than that. If that were the case, all you would need is a search firm every 4-5 years.
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What did Clemson's AD have to do with their recent success....other than extending the contract of a DMW basketball coach and hiring, giving a raise and extending the contract of a baseball coach who can't make the NCAA regionals. Oh...and getting his previous school on a 4-years NCAA punishment for failure to cooperate.
 
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