True. Forgot about the COVID year.
There's no arguing Will Muschamp was a good coach though. He might have been the worst we've ever had when you consider the performance, financial impact and condition of the team when he was fired.
We better not look past Furman.
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True. Forgot about the COVID year.
There's no arguing Will Muschamp was a good coach though. He might have been the worst we've ever had when you consider the performance, financial impact and condition of the team when he was fired.
But he essentially does. You're either uninformed or just being disingenuous. It's just run through the collectives. Even Rattler doesn't have real marketing value. Almost all of his deals are just pay for play deals. How many G wagons do you think Dick Dyer has sold because of Rattler?
Clemson won two national championships while Muschamp was our coach. That team Beamer beat was the worst Clemson team in a decade. It certainly wasn't a real top 10 team.
Now you're just being intellecutally dishonest. The difference between the 2020 and 2021 season was one SEC win.
You don't believe they sell Rattler jerseys in Columbia?
Muschamp Nostalgia
+ 19 of 51 versus P5 schools over 5 years. 11 of those 19 wins were teams w/ a losing record.
+ 0-4 versus Clemson with the worst point differential in our history of our program. (55-188)
+ Landed talented QBs who all seemed to regress under his vision.
+ Most players could not catch, tackle or block with any reguarity.
+ Spoke in great detail about nuisances of a winning program up until his dismissal.
+ Received appoximately $40 million from USC to accomplish the aforementioned.
I'm not sure what you're to suggest here. Muschamp being a bad coach doesn't make Beamer a good coach. The scary thing is Beamer is probably worse than Muschamp.
It's already shown itself to be true. I just hate that I have to sit through 2-3 more awful years before you guys change your minds.
If you feel that way, then don't. Fall weather is the Southeast is typically awesome.
No, it hasn't "shown itself to be true". Exceeded all expectations, except for maybe the idiots that thought we were going to suddenly turn into Bama.
You think it is hard to get a top level coach now? Run off Beamer after what he has accomplished so far, and see what happens. This ain't a fairy tale. If that is what you are after, maybe you should spend your time on Saturdays watching Disney+.
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And that was a miracle considering where Muschamp left us. If you believe otherwise, you are delusional.
it's just so strange you guys think Beamer is bigger than our program.
Well it's year 3, so hard to keep blaming Muschamp. We looked worse than a Muschamp team Saturday night.
It just so strange that you read that and came to that nonsensical conclusion. It has nothing to do with Beamer being "bigger than our program" and everything to do with administration and fans support. If coaches think they are going to be run off at the first sign of adversity, they won't come if there are other opportunities. Any coach will tell you that.
And no, I saw a lot of Muschamp teams that looked a LOT WORSE than what we saw Saturday night. LOL. Your Beamer Derangement Syndrome is showing.
Except this is far from the truth. Auburn fired Bryan Harsin, a coach with a much much better resume than Beamer, after 21 games. They went out and hired Hugh Freeze.
There are very few coaches who wouldn't realize how amateur our last coaching search was and they will gladly take the SEC money for the job.
Wait until we play an actual good team. Everyone is hyping up UNC because we lost to them but the reality is they're meh.
That's Auburn. Not us. They've won a NC recently. We've had 2 HOF coaches in the last 30 years. The results. One division championship. So, when it comes to us, it absolutely true. Any coach out there would expect success to take longer here than at Auburn. And Freeze isn't exactly a slam dunk hire. Let's see how he does when everyone can pay.
And I remember people gloating about how Auburn did it right. And even you claiming he was going to "be successful" because he "made moves right away" when he fired Bobo after a year.
How did that work out for him? LOL
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You ever consider maybe the reason they won a national championship is because they refused to accept mediocrity like you want to do?
Auburn didn't give him time to be successful because they had a chance for a huge upgrade in Freeze. Even though I like Harsin, I would gladly take Freeze over him.
Well, you didn't get him because we couldn't get him. His exact quote when asked about the South Carolina job.
Freeze did add that he would consider leaving Liberty for the right situation. “I’ve been honest with them and our administration here in saying that it would take something really, really special for me to even consider leaving here, and I mean that,” Freeze said.
We had an opening. He was rumored to be a candidate for our job, supposedly our top choice, and he remained at Liberty. Thanks for proving my point. And before you cry that he wasn't offered, Tanner said "Nobody is ruled out."
SDS had him as our top candidate.
What if Hugh Freeze says no? South Carolina should consider these options (saturdaydownsouth.com)
What are you even trying to argue with this?
That he chose liberty over South Carolina?
He literally told you it would take something special to leave Liberty. I've been trying to explain to you that we just aren't that special. In fact, outside of our garnet circle, we are an attractive job.
On top of that, you were flat wrong about Harsin. He fired Bobo and didn't give him time, and then didn't even make a bowl the next year and got shown the door.
Watson - What do you want to happen? It's the beginning of Year 3 for this coaching staff. They closed the season strong and did things the previous staff couldn't accomplish over five years. The odds of them going anywhere until the end of 2024 is almost zero unless we end up with 2 or 3 wins at the end of this year.
No one is ecstatic about the state of the football program. That would be true of most programs not in the Top 5. Complaining about the sky being blue ad nauseum is an exercise in futility.
If you have a blueprint for success, please lay it out for us.
Sean McVay. Anything less is just us "accepting mediocrity".
Because nothing says "I won't accept mediocrity" like giving nothing, bashing everything, and wanting us to lose to Furman.
Just more examples of you doing nothing but insulting our program.
It would be nice to see Ray Tanner get the axe after this year so we have competent leadership going into the 2024 hiring process.
You guys with this defeatist attitude only prolongs the suffering because there is no motivation to move on in 2024. Might as well wait until the end of 2025.
Firing everybody is not a plan. Who are you going to get? Real solution involve reality and planning, not just "fire everybody" gut reactions that a kindergartener would come up with.
I would go buy Chadwell like we should have done three years ago. But there are literally 100 people we could have hired with a better resume than Beamer.
Ray Tanner didn't hire Shane Beamer. It was a collective effort from the board as witnessed by the email release. The NIL and fundraising are now center stage. Tanner has always been praised for his fundraising abilities. If you want Tanner gone, there's a big list of people you can commiserate with. Keep banging that drum.
The odds of South Carolina ever winning an SEC Championship is again very close to zero. The SEC bluebloods were established long ago and the NIL did nothing but add an additional layer of protection for these teams. We aren't going to be able to fundraise like UGA, BAMA, A&M, UT, etc.
IMO, the best thing that could happen to us is for the playoffs to be expanded to 16 teams. Otherwise, we would need to leave the SEC and abandon the cash flow and notoriety that comes with it. Or maybe someone can convince Darla Moore to switch her business school donations and purchase the best team money can buy.
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He's the AD. He's responsible for the hire and it's on him to have the courage to stand up to the board members if they're suggesting a bad decision.
But yes, Ray and his underling Chance are both terrible at their jobs when it comes to managing the programs.
Interesting, isn't it? How the eternal sunshine pumper has turned around to bash our recent hires, claim there's nothing special about our program, and start to argue that we should be worried about Furman.
I think her husband getting fired broke her.
No, there wasn't.
And while Beamer was beating top ten Tennesse and Clemson last year, Chadwell was getting mauled by James Madison and Troy.
You and "truth" don't really belong in the same post.
But bash away. All you Debbie downers always say you're just being "realistic".
He lost that privilege with the Muschamp deal. IMO, the best thing you can do is stop caring and just treat it as entertainment. The entire game is rigged and with the NIL they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Who really cares about the best team money can buy?
Also, look at the comments of Dabo and Saban when they were trading championship years. Their respective fanbase was driving them both nuts with expectations/criticisms and continue to each year.
There's little happiness to be found in the success of a bunch of teenagers you'll never meet who happen to represent your school. In sports, happiness is found by being a part of team itself - whether it be yourself or someone in your family. Otherwise, look elsewhere for any true level of self-fulfillment.
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The bottom line. Get behind Beamer and Loggains. They are our coaches and they deserve our support. We aren't hiring the big names because they will have better offers. Support our coaches, let them develop, and hope they stick with us. Treat them like crap, and they will have better options that us.
Because, the TRUTH is exactly what I told all the howling monkeys last year. I heard names like Riley and Mullen and others. What happened? Dowell Loggains. By no means a slam dunk hire. But he deserves a chance to prove himself, and one f'ing game isn't a chance. Not even one season. You wanted change. You got it. Now deal with it. He might just turn out to be good.
Because, the TRUTH is exactly what I told all the howling monkeys last year. I heard names like Riley and Mullen and others. What happened? Dowell Loggains. By no means a slam dunk hire. But he deserves a chance to prove himself, and one f'ing game isn't a chance. Not even one season. You wanted change. You got it. Now deal with it. He might just turn out to be good.
I remember posters saying that about Muschamp.
But it's sort of good to see you now talking about supporting the staff. It's an interesting twist away from bashing them as bad hires, and claiming USC could never do any better anyway.
Classic. This coming from a guy who rarely posts anything positive on the team, but rather pumps up the opponent.
Way to work feces into your post Dave. Are you still stuck on that plane turning around you posted?
Then no excuses for losing to UT and Clemson this year, right?
It's just so strange that you think that's a reflection of the university of south carolina and not a reflection that the best Beamer could do (or chose to do) was Loggains.
This is a good question Mrs. Satterfield. You claim UT is going to crumble this year without Hooker. Should be a slam dunk for us then.
Good point below from Bubba Felt. Expecting a much better showing from our OL tomorrow. This isn't rocket science, especially when you're not playing the big boys. If they continue to flounder, it could be a class envy situation.
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"As Steve Logan used to say, playing offensive line is simply learning to "be run over slowly."
"It takes skill to play, but frankly not that much skill. Every P5 team should be able to find 5 decent blockers.
"Look at Duke last night, I bet not a single one of their OL is a better athlete than our OL, yet they worked their butts off for 4 quarters, and got it done. They got run over slowly, and when they could, they pushed back. I saw one of their guards hustling WAY down field to lay a nice block."
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"As Steve Logan used to say, playing offensive line is simply learning to "be run over slowly."
"It takes skill to play, but frankly not that much skill. Every P5 team should be able to find 5 decent blockers.
"Look at Duke last night, I bet not a single one of their OL is a better athlete than our OL, yet they worked their butts off for 4 quarters, and got it done. They got run over slowly, and when they could, they pushed back. I saw one of their guards hustling WAY down field to lay a nice block."
