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Indeed! As Kenny Rogers said: you’ve got to know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. Zelensky screwed up bigly today.
Per reports, Russia and state run media in Russia is thrilled with Trump today. That makes Trump and Vance happy.
Dmitry Medvedev, the former president and prime minister of Russia called Zelensky a Nazi (Zelensky is Jewish) and a "cocaine clown"
British television host and longtime Trump backer Piers Morgan wrote on X: "The only winner from today's Oval Office debacle is Vladimir Putin... and anyone who thinks that is a good thing for the world is stunningly deluded."
I disagree with Morgan in that I also think Zelensky comes out of this stronger. Not because of Trump's plan to make him stronger, but that Zelensky will get an even better deal out of it.
Putin allies rejoice after heated Trump-Zelensky White House meeting
The Trump-Zelensky meeting stunned American observers and was widely celebrated by allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
www.newsweek.com
This is also worth watching.
Russia and China ramping up efforts to recruit fired workers.
This is based on a Trump administration internal assessment.
Russia and China are focusing their efforts on recently fired employees with security clearances and probationary employees at risk of being terminated, who may have valuable information about US critical infrastructure and vital government bureaucracy, two of the sources said. At least two countries have already set up recruitment websites and begun aggressively targeting federal employees on LinkedIn, two of the sources said.
A document produced by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service said the intelligence community assessed with “high confidence” that foreign adversaries were trying to recruit federal employees and “capitalize” on the Trump administration’s plans for mass layoffs, according to a partly redacted copy
Russia and China ramping up efforts to recruit fired workers.
This is based on a Trump administration internal assessment.
Russia and China are focusing their efforts on recently fired employees with security clearances and probationary employees at risk of being terminated, who may have valuable information about US critical infrastructure and vital government bureaucracy, two of the sources said. At least two countries have already set up recruitment websites and begun aggressively targeting federal employees on LinkedIn, two of the sources said.
A document produced by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service said the intelligence community assessed with “high confidence” that foreign adversaries were trying to recruit federal employees and “capitalize” on the Trump administration’s plans for mass layoffs, according to a partly redacted copy
And ALOT of politicians. Lets go! Purge the thieves and crucify em all.
Hey Zelensky: some days you get the bear, and some days the bear gets you. Which day do you think today is??
I think he's perfectly ok with today.
He's going to get an even better deal out of this. He knows Trump has to make a deal.
It would have been rather foolish of him to complete any deal offered so far. Russia has offered nothing at all.
In his statement after the meeting, that seems obvious.
Per reports, Russia and state run media in Russia is thrilled with Trump today. That makes Trump and Vance happy.
Dmitry Medvedev, the former president and prime minister of Russia called Zelensky a Nazi (Zelensky is Jewish) and a "cocaine clown"
British television host and longtime Trump backer Piers Morgan wrote on X: "The only winner from today's Oval Office debacle is Vladimir Putin... and anyone who thinks that is a good thing for the world is stunningly deluded."
I disagree with Morgan in that I also think Zelensky comes out of this stronger. Not because of Trump's plan to make him stronger, but that Zelensky will get an even better deal out of it.
Putin allies rejoice after heated Trump-Zelensky White House meeting
The Trump-Zelensky meeting stunned American observers and was widely celebrated by allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
It’s impressive how Russian counter intelligence programs have taken over the Republican Party.
Gotta give them credit how easily they did it.
I wouldn't say that.
Most Republicans in Congress still hate Russia and know they are playing Trump.
Republicans that are cult members simply go along with whatever Trump says like robots.
But Zelensky is really all that matters here and he's likely perfectly ok with how it worked out.
You've been saying this garbage the entire time I've been a member of this forum and been nothing but wrong.
So either you're an astounding fool with insufferable TDS or you like trolling as much as Watson.
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Yeah apparently these dems like to think not having conversations with Putin is still the way to go as if somehow in their minds that was working so well. Clearly they just dont want to see Trump fix another problem their policies couldn't.
Democrats sell their mother into slavery for cash. Nothing else matters for them. This war was planned by them as just another cash grab
This analysis from a wokester hits a little different than what Dave's Teen Magazine (Gomer's Gossip Grift) was pushing. 
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I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.
You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.
In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.
For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.
The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.
The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.
Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.
I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point.
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I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.
You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.
In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.
For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.
The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.
The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.
Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.
I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point.
Maybe it's just me I dont see any of this as that big a deal... at least from our side. Looks to be just a step (perhaps not necessary) but a step in negotiations towards a possible mineral deal and peace. I mean I hear a lot of so-called experts commenting as if they know how to handle negotiations and acting like it's the end of the world but I seriously doubt any of them know what they are talking about. Funny how these dems like to think they are comfortable when they are way out of their lane. I would imagine this isn't the first time Trump came down hard on someone he wants to make a deal with that may have stepped out of line. So meh. We'll see what happens. Worse case we are out.
Biden and company got alot of it. Probably 60% and kamilla grabbed a billion. Stuffed it offshore. Lots of prisons waiting for em
I think it's wild that you don't see how big of a deal it was to have the President of the United States invite an ally to the Oval Office in an attempt to embarrass him and build an excuse to quit helping his country.
Trump just announced to the world he was turning his back on European allies to align with Russia. This is a major shift in international relations.
This will go down as one of the most embarrassing moments in US history.
She called it.
This debate just highlighted how the last election wasn't decided on merit. Congratulations to the Russians trolls for winning.
