You’re typical millennial, have an opinion without being there then telling other people what they should think.
In all seriousness, I agree Frank is doing a good job.
What happened to the Carolina Basketball program???
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You’re typical millennial, have an opinion without being there then telling other people what they should think.
In all seriousness, I agree Frank is doing a good job.
I am just kidding with you about being old. I do think our elite standards differ a little. Elite means NCs to me and to you it apparently doesn't.
I just think the program lags behind the better ones in the SEC and has too many elite programs around it like UNC and Duke. Even NCSU is a much better basketball school as is Wake.
There’s another common misconception that being close to other elite teams somehow negatively affects us.
I have seen both SC's and Woffords facilities and what you say is not accurate. At all.
But here lies the problem. He is really not doing we well as anyone could. That straight up BS.
Have you been since they opened the stadium three years ago? And compared it to where our team practices?
remember our team is one of the rare college basketball teams that doesn’t routinely practice in their home court, huge disadvantage
Wofford's new arena is absolutely every bit as nice as CLA. Not as big, but a better CBB venue
Absolutely better CBB environment AND they can actually practice there
For sure but I really just don’t like it’s size it makes 5k seem like 200 people
However when there is a legit 13k there the place is insane
I think fans underestimate how recruits would react to that place brimming night in night out
I'm not bitter, just look at the program and anyone outside the the State Of South Carolina can tell you that we really suck.
We were unstoppable during that run until Thornwell got the flu. That was the most fun to watch since Carolina beat KY on senior day under Eddie Fogler.
Dave Odom had a higher winning percentage than Frank.
Go easy on the kid; he obviously hasn’t reached the stage of his formative years where he discovers he’s a mouthy idiot.
Devan Downey going berserk John Wall and Demarcus Cousins has to be up there.
That's because SC is not committed to winning athletics. Been that way for years. If you want to win you better get a better Coach than Frank Martin or we can continue with the mediocre standard we have had. He is no better than Odom did you want to keep him?
The SEC has been terrible the last decade.
I firmly believe Frank is a good coach but he can't recruit well enough to compete. If he could finish top 7-8 in SEC in recruiting we'd be a force. Instead we're the least talented team in the league most years and are usually still a tough out. But it doesn't change the fact that Dave Odom had a better overall winning percentage (albeit very slightly) and nobody would be arguing for keeping Odom. It's pretty obvious the fan base is ready to move on and delaying the inevitable split is only going to keep hurting the program.
Dave Odom was notorious for scheduling cupcakes in December, starting 12-0 and missing the tournament.
Martin failed to capitalize on the FF run. You want butts in the seats, recruit basketball players, not just athletes playing basketball. A better product on the floor will bring tickets holders. See Dawn Staley and WBB success as a glaring example! We have a few players that could play for other schools, and a lot that would be bench warmers. No point guard and no presence in the paint. Not going to mention names, but projects developing into SEC players after three years in the program hasn’t been a great formula for consistency and quality basketball.
An undefeated December is better than the now-common December losses to the likes of Stetson, Stoney Brook, et al. And just for good measure, we've also managed to lose a trio of games late in the season to bad teams like UGA when we need to win just one to get over the hump and into the tourney. We've been bad at both ends of the schedule with CFM.
CFM was a name coach that we all felt fortunate to hire almost a decade ago. I think he left his name in KS, however, because he has been no better than Dandy Dave Odom since he's been in Columbia. We are paying big bucks for very pedestrian results. There really isn't a different way to spin it.
Same problem that we have had ever since we left the ACC. It's hard to recruit players to come play for USC. This has been going on since before McGuire even retired. Even he struggled to recruit here. After Alex English graduated, Frank went 61-47 over his last 4 seasons. With the exception of 2 really good years under Fogler and the Final 4 run with Frank Martin we've been mostly pedestrian and in some cases plain horrible (Newton and Horn)
Its the truth. Look at Odoms record while here and compare to FM's. They are almost identical.
Martin struggles to beat the cupcakes he schedules.
Frank fans like to cover it up by shifting the focus to conference record, but if you don’t make the dance what does Conference record matter? Dave Odom, 1 tournament appearance. Frank Martin, one tournament appearance. The only big difference is Martin’s results when he got there.
It matters because it’s good basketball and fun to watch. Winning in conference is very respectable, don’t downplay that.
Decision makers didn’t even think it was NIT worthy most years so I think it says the SEC is not really respected in Basketball. We got left home one year with an 11-7 Conference record and we deserved to as we lost to Georgia 3 times in the span of a month. Yay, we are good competitors.
Illinois State
Wyoming
Stony Brook
Stetson
Boston University
....and yes, I am counting that exhibition game we lost to Augusta College. Liberty and Temple should count, but I will give them a pass on those. Finally, two blowout losses to bad Vanderbilt teams.
Let’s see who Dave Odom walked into the job with - a roster full of jr and sr with two future nba players
Martin walked into... uh... hm
Stop, non of those teams I named sniffed the tournament. Not even close. I left games like Northern Iowa and Wofford out because their NET was high. We still should be beating those teams and we definitely shouldn’t get blown out by 20 by a private in-state school ever. People want to laud Martin holding players accountable. However, the fanbase is always to be soft to the tough guy and understand. I am taking a page out of the coaches book. He’s not getting it done. I am sure he doesn’t want to here about “almost” from his players. I almost made that rotation. I almost cut my man off. I almost blocked out my man. So, we need to stop making almost excuses for a coach that is not getting it done.
You're actually wrong.
Boston University earned an automatic bid that year.
Liberty just came off a 30 win season.
Temple beat Mississippi State and Wichita State that same year.
Stony Brook won 24 games.
Illinois State was solid that year with wins over Tulsa, Ole Miss, and Valparaiso.
I'll concede Stetson and Wyoming. But the others are only cupcakes because you don't recognize their names.
