What time today is the dork resigning?

[chief2791]

Back it up you goofy lookin' bastard.

Swinney offered the following opinion to the Charleston Post & Courier: “We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you. But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that's where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there's enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

 

[OldWiseCock]

He's not wrong.

 

[CCUIrmo]

I dont disagree with him, however it will be a case of him saying something but will not back it up. He will just say it is what it is and he has to deal with it. He will not leave. However, if players looked closely, then it shows he does not do what he says he will and therefore shouldnt be trusted. At least thats how I would approach it as an opposing coach in recruiting.

 

[chief2791]

I don't disagree with him either. However, this is just another case where his mouth writes checks that his backside can't (or won't) cash.

 

[mcbear30]

He’s salty because it significantly dilutes his power. I love it.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Back it up you goofy lookin' bastard.

Swinney offered the following opinion to the Charleston Post & Courier: “We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you. But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that's where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there's enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

The changes going into effect today are not tied to schools paying players. This is about NIL only, it does not professionalize college sports and is simply them being able to actually “take advantage of their platform and the brand” to profit from it. I get this was tongue in cheek- just saying nothing about these changes is in conflict with what he said.

 

[uscwatson21]

The changes going into effect today are not tied to schools paying players. This is about NIL only, it does not professionalize college sports and is simply them being able to actually “take advantage of their platform and the brand” to profit from it. I get this was tongue in cheek- just saying nothing about these changes is in conflict with what he said.

This is some serious spin lol

 

[JohnnySolo]

Did anyone see his lips move to make those remarks. If so then I am 100% in agreement with Swinney.

 

[polo-loco]

It's the free market. I thought we liked the free market.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

No doubt there are other coaches that share his sentiments, however now that this rule has been implemented, there is no other choice but to adapt to the new system or perish.

 

[tidalcock]

Back it up you goofy lookin' bastard.

Swinney offered the following opinion to the Charleston Post & Courier: “We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you. But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that's where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there's enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

Says the millionaire.

 

[coolcock2001]

Shameful seeing some of y'all carrying Dabo's water.

We are waiting Dabo, time to resign. You get $9 million a year and now the players might get a couple bucks. Gotta hang it up now

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Barstool is even calling him out.

 

[chief2791]

The changes going into effect today are not tied to schools paying players. This is about NIL only, it does not professionalize college sports and is simply them being able to actually “take advantage of their platform and the brand” to profit from it. I get this was tongue in cheek- just saying nothing about these changes is in conflict with what he said.

I fully understand that the schools aren't specifically paying the players. However, if athletic departments are now acting as go-betweens for these endorsements, they are involved and facilitating it. I have no problem with that at all BTW, it's now the rule, and we'd better be on top of it at USC.

I know what will come out of the Dabo camp. It's exactly what you said above, that's it's not the same, they'll try to walk it back or spin it. We will never know what was running through Dabo's mind when he said this, but gun-to-the-head if I had to bet one way or another, my bet is that he was talking about players getting paid in any way, NIL or directly through the schools. We'll never know though.

But I'll never let a technicality deter me from calling out the dork. He said it, I didn't, so let him explain it.

 

[winloseortie]

So he’s bitching about somebody other than him getting paid. Talk about selfish and entitled.

 

[uscwatson21]

So he’s bitching about somebody other than him getting paid. Talk about selfish and entitled.

The other poster bailed it. He was against this because it will hurt his cheating competitive advantage.

Now that it’s out in the open we can’t continue to let Clemson pay better than we pay.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

I fully understand that the schools aren't specifically paying the players. However, if athletic departments are now acting as go-betweens for these endorsements, they are involved and facilitating it. I have no problem with that at all BTW, it's now the rule, and we'd better be on top of it at USC.

I know what will come out of the Dabo camp. It's exactly what you said above, that's it's not the same, they'll try to walk it back or spin it. We will never know what was running through Dabo's mind when he said this, but gun-to-the-head if I had to bet one way or another, my bet is that he was talking about players getting paid in any way, NIL or directly through the schools. We'll never know though.

But I'll never let a technicality deter me from calling out the dork. He said it, I didn't, so let him explain it.

That is fair and I am on board with anything that makes Dabo look bad as well!

 

[Flameout12]

He's not wrong.

Yup...but always seems hypocritical for someone making lots of "professional" $$ to criticize others getting a chance.
The smartest play here is keep your mouth shut....but we have Swinney. 😐

 

[chief2791]

That is fair and I am on board with anything that makes Dabo look bad as well!

Obviously I don't wish any health problems or anything life-threatening on any person, including Dabo, but after that rant a few years back and other things he has said since then, anything below that bar I wish on him tenfold. 😁

 

[uscwatson21]

Not really. Why is every post you write so wrong? NIL is different than schools paying players. If schools have to pay players their market value, college athletics are done for. Only a few schools actually turn a profit. Those that do use the proceeds to fund all other athletics. Schools are already shutting down tons of athletic programs because they can't stay afloat. If all these teams have to pay football and basketball players, where is the money coming from to give scholarships to and probably pay the players of non-profitable sports, which includes most women's athletics? So we're already dealing with tens of thousands of scholarshipped athletes no longer getting scholarships to college, many of whom need it if they want to get a college education. But you also run into Title IX issues. I'd imagine dozens of schools will close up their athletic shops completely to avoid the headache. That is an entirely different world than letting players profit off their name, image, or likeness with no attachment to the school. If you think that's spin, I don't know what to tell you man.

I hate to break it to you but if you think my posts are wrong, you’re the one that’s wrong.

The schools could easily sell the player’s likeness as a group then break out the proceeds to the players the same way the schools do it with the coaches.

 

[PaleoCock]

Back it up you goofy lookin' bastard.

Swinney offered the following opinion to the Charleston Post & Courier: “We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you. But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that's where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there's enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

OK, Kettle. You might need to plug your ears with that $93mil contract as this is sure to land some heat.

 

[uscwatson21]

They could NOT do that. The entire point of the law/rule change is that every individual has the right to their own Name, Image, and Likeness. Most states have banned schools from arranging contracts for individuals. You can't take someone's NIL and then redistribute the proceeds. That would go against both the NCAA rules (read them) and Kavanaugh's opinion in Alston. South Carolina's law expressly prohibits what you just suggested. This is why you're always wrong. Because you don't do your research and just haphazardly guess, while stating it as fact.

This lack of common sense makes my head hurt.

Just because the legislature decided to go one way doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gone the other way.

 

[gcock5]

the clemson media department, i mean ESPN, is in full spin mode.

ESPN front page

 

[GMCCK97nHTWN]

The changes going into effect today are not tied to schools paying players. This is about NIL only, it does not professionalize college sports and is simply them being able to actually “take advantage of their platform and the brand” to profit from it. I get this was tongue in cheek- just saying nothing about these changes is in conflict with what he said.

Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Sure, schools aren’t paying players beyond the costs to attend (although the recent SCOTUS ruling opens this up a bit more).

But, that isn’t the salient point.

And, everyone knows what that self-servicing, cheating phony meant and why.

 

[Carolina Doc]

It's the free market. I thought we liked the free market.

Fine. Pay them. Then turn around and send them a bill for their tuition, room and board, etc.

The market, right?

 

[uscwatson21]

It would be struck down by the Supreme Court and would lead to issues with the NCAA, but sure, I suppose they could pass the law. But you said schools could easily do this. And that's false. The Supreme Court opinion, the NCAA rules, and South Carolina's laws prevent your solution.

You’re completely missing the point unfortunately. Pretending this NIL is intrinsically different than paying players to play a sport is fundamentally flawed.

 

[uscwatson21]

Fine. Pay them. Then turn around and send them a bill for their tuition, room and board, etc.

The market, right?

No. The market would decide they still deserved free room and board and tuition.

 

[bayrooster]

He’s salty because it significantly dilutes his power. I love it.

It will dilute the influence of the "rich uncle" boosters for sure.

 

[polo-loco]

Fine. Pay them. Then turn around and send them a bill for their tuition, room and board, etc.

The market, right?

Unfortunately for you boomers, the Supreme Court makes the decision. All the crying in world won't change that fact.

 

[king ward]

No doubt there are other coaches that share his sentiments, however now that this rule has been implemented, there is no other choice but to adapt to the new system or perish.

There's also coaching in the NFL or at a college classification below Div. 1. Really, I can see much of the personal motivation for coaching in the FBS going out the window. All of this, on top of the transfer portal, is overwhelming.

 

[Boom4life]

I hate to break it to you but if you think my posts are wrong, you’re the one that’s wrong.

The schools could easily sell the player’s likeness as a group then break out the proceeds to the players the same way the schools do it with the coaches.

that’s still not what dabo was referring to so you are the one spinning. By listening to the whole answer and not some phrases you will quickly realize that swinney is talking about the school paying players for playing. In a employer, employee situation. NIL is nothing of the such. Again like other posters have Asked, how can you be so wrong?

 

[uscwatson21]

that’s still not what dabo was referring to so you are the one spinning. By listening to the whole answer and not some phrases you will quickly realize that swinney is talking about the school paying players for playing. In a employer, employee situation. NIL is nothing of the such. Again like other posters have Asked, how can you be so wrong?

Please share the part of the interview where Dabo said he was ok with athletes being paid for their image rights in that interview?

I will be glad to admit I was wrong if you can show those excerpts.

 

[Carolina Doc]

Unfortunately for you boomers, the Supreme Court makes the decision. All the crying in world won't change that fact.

The supreme court makes decisions about tuition?

 

[Lurker123]

Please share the part of the interview where Dabo said he was ok with athletes being paid for their image rights in that interview?

I will be glad to admit I was wrong if you can show those excerpts.

I found a link to a Clemson article defending him ( I know, surprise) . But it quotes him mentioning NIL as different than schools paying players. If you don't mind clicking a Clemson link:

No, Dabo Swinney isn’t quitting & it’s not that hard to understand his quote in context

Clemson coach Dabo Swinney is trending on Twitter and, just as you would suspect, it's another smear campaign promoted by those who hate the Tigers.

rubbingtherock.com

Honestly though, I can see backpedalling from that statement soon.

 

[uscwatson21]

I found a link to a Clemson article defending him ( I know, surprise) . But it quotes him mentioning NIL as different than schools paying players. If you don't mind clicking a Clemson link:

No, Dabo Swinney isn’t quitting & it’s not that hard to understand his quote in context

Clemson coach Dabo Swinney is trending on Twitter and, just as you would suspect, it's another smear campaign promoted by those who hate the Tigers.

rubbingtherock.com

Honestly though, I can see backpedalling from that statement soon.

Of course he’s going to backpedal from his earlier comments once it became obvious NIL was coming out. To do otherwise would ruin his ability to recruit.

But to pretend he was for NIL back in 2014/15 when he first made the comments is just sticking your head in the sand.

 

[Boom4life]

Please share the part of the interview where Dabo said he was ok with athletes being paid for their image rights in that interview?

I will be glad to admit I was wrong if you can show those excerpts.

“We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you, But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that’s where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there’s enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

that’s the full quote surely any half intelligent person can understand that NIL falls under the sentences before the But. Reading the whole quote it’s easy to gather that he is talking about the schools paying salaries to play the game or something of that nature. NIL is nothing like that.

 

[uscwatson21]

“We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you, But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that’s where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there’s enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

that’s the full quote surely any half intelligent person can understand that NIL falls under the sentences before the But. Reading the whole quote it’s easy to gather that he is talking about the schools paying salaries to play the game or something of that nature. NIL is nothing like that.

Are you intentionally being obtuse?

He explicitly saying they should USE the marketing. He didn’t say they should be paid for it. He’s using the lame argument that was made for decades that players should use their football to launch their careers AFTER they’re done playing football.

You can sit here and claim you’re the intelligent one here, but you’re not. There is a reason why everyone else is making fun of Dabo but you guys and Clemson fans.

 

[Lurker123]

Of course he’s going to backpedal from his earlier comments once it became obvious NIL was coming out. To do otherwise would ruin his ability to recruit.

But to pretend he was for NIL back in 2014/15 when he first made the comments is just sticking your head in the sand.

Did you read the article? It quoted him (at a later date) as saying they should do NIL, and that it was different than paying players.

“There are things I’d love to see in continued improvement, but I think everything should be tied to education and graduation. The very few, the 1.6 percent that get to go on to the NFL, for those who don’t — maybe there’s an annuity or stipend that when they graduate, they get that,” Swinney said. “That’s a model that can be an improvement. Maybe it is the likeness. I don’t know. Then you have others out there who say we should just professionalize college athletics.”


But I think we all agree he's going to embrace any change that comes out once it's a definite. Otherwise it does hurt his recruiting.

EDIT: To avoid getting drug into the name calling, I'll try to elaborate on where I think the big disconnect is. I think there's a huge difference between NIL, and colleges paying players, making them pros. I read those statements from dabo as saying that. I just happen to agree with him. It happens.

 

[polo-loco]

The supreme court makes decisions about tuition?

Dude, college football is a multi billion dollar sport where everybody got paid but the actual athletes. The Supreme Court decision changes the calculus. If you now want to say athletes at SC can't get tuition and room/board while making money, then we can go play in the Southern Conference because they will all find a better deal. Remember my original post about free market? That's the free market.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Sure, schools aren’t paying players beyond the costs to attend (although the recent SCOTUS ruling opens this up a bit more).

But, that isn’t the salient point.

And, everyone knows what that self-servicing, cheating phony meant and why.

I don’t think that saying means what you think it means… Nor do you seem to have understood my posts on the matter very clearly…