What took so long for the coaching staff to realize Jason Brown is the best quarterback we have?

[runtheballstoptherun]

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Because it takes a little more understanding how football is played than some internet troll that reads an article and thinks he knows it all. This staff doesn't get a free pass on how they handled the Quarterbacks. So, anyone that's played the game understands that. They could start Zeb against Mizz. and you would find some excuse for them.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Only our idiot fanbase would take a win over Florida, FING FLORIDA, in a season that was predicted by everyone to be a complete dumpster fire, and turn it into another whiney ass, coach bashing bitchfest.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

The bigger, more pressing question, is why it took until our 9th game to change our OL blocking scheme? The change produced instant results and allowed the whole offense to click.

 

[WingchunCock]

Because it takes a little more understanding how football is played than some internet troll that reads an article and thinks he knows it all. This staff doesn't get a free pass on how they handled the Quarterbacks. So, anyone that's played the game understands that. They could start Zeb against Mizz. and you would find some excuse for them.

I’m not an Internet troll. Trolls tend to be negative and try to stir up 💩.
You forget it was this staff that brought Brown here. The player that gives us the best chance to win starts at QB. Obviously it took Brown some time to win the job.
Be thankful he is starting now instead of complaining about him starting earlier.

 

[WingchunCock]

The bigger, more pressing question, is why it took until our 9th game to change our OL blocking scheme? The change produced instant results and allowed the whole offense to click.

Uh, bye week.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Uh, bye week.

Hogwash. Plenty of teams make changes without a bye week. It was obvious from Game 1 that our OL blocking scheme wasn't effective, but we had to wait 8 weeks to address it? No way.

 

[Flameout12]

Only our idiot fanbase would take a win over Florida, FING FLORIDA, in a season that was predicted by everyone to be a complete dumpster fire, and turn it into another whiney ass, coach bashing bitchfest.

So you make up complete BS so you can bitch about the bitching? UF was ranked #13 preseason.

2021 AP Poll College Football Rankings, Preseason - ESPN

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[Dizzy01]

So you make up complete BS so you can bitch about the bitching? UF was ranked #13 preseason.

2021 AP Poll College Football Rankings, Preseason - ESPN

Find the complete NCAAF Preseason rankings on ESPN. Includes the full votes and trend for the top 25 NCAAF teams.

www.espn.com

I’m pretty sure he was referring to Carolina there.

 

[Lurker123]

I’m not an Internet troll. Trolls tend to be negative and try to stir up 💩.

You missed his point. He wants you to think his highschool playing years or pee wee league coaching for his son's team makes his opinion more valid than yours.

Please show him the respect he deserves.

 

[Flameout12]

.... his highschool playing years or pee wee league coaching ....

I did that. They used to call us "flankers".

 

[WingchunCock]

You missed his point. He wants you to think his highschool playing years or pee wee league coaching for his son's team makes his opinion more valid than yours.

Please show him the respect he deserves.

I guess if I were a punter in HS my opinions would carry more weight….or maybe even the backup punter.

 

[kidrobinski]

I guess if I were a punter in HS my opinions would carry more weight….or maybe even the backup punter.

Some folks learn ballroom dancing on a dance floor, some folks learn to handle weapons in the military, some folks learn football on a football field, in a locker room, and in a film room and yeah; those folks are generally more knowledgeable about their subject matter. Sorry if that doesn’t meet modern self-esteem protocol; don’t hate the playah, hate the game.

 

[kidrobinski]

I did that. They used to call us "flankers".

And split ends.

 

[biting curve]

You have Brown making the plays in the spring game. You have many people noticing it. You have STEVE SPURRIER noticing it, and opining that Brown would be his pick.

For the record, when J.B. committed here and his film was released I saw a lot of good things. I liked his ability to move in the pocket and keep his eyes downfield. I thought he had the potential to be a good pickup. Some people agreed, some were overly harsh on him because he came from a small school. In fact, if you go back and look we had a group of posters thouroughly disparage all of our portal transfers because they largely came from smaller programs.

His limited amount of time in the Spring game looked good. That said, every year we seemingly have someone star in the Spring game, then fade into obscurity.

I love Spurrier, but don’t always put much weight in his opinions. He thought Tommy Beecher was going to be “the guy”, thought so highly of Conner Mitch that he promised he wouldn’t retire until his eligibility was gone, and left us with a walk on at QB.

J.B. showed up out of shape, hadn’t started a game in almost 2 years, and took time to learn the reads and calls. Even he admits it. Starting him before he was ready was setting him up for failure.

 

[Lurker123]

I guess if I were a punter in HS my opinions would carry more weight….or maybe even the backup punter.

Ha. Don't forget their ample experience playing Madden on their playstation, which I suspect is the game most of them played.

 

[kidrobinski]

For the record, when J.B. committed here and his film was released I saw a lot of good things. I liked his ability to move in the pocket and keep his eyes downfield. I thought he had the potential to be a good pickup. Some people agreed, some were overly harsh on him because he came from a small school. In fact, if you go back and look we had a group of posters thouroughly disparage all of our portal transfers because they largely came from smaller programs.

His limited amount of time in the Spring game looked good. That said, every year we seemingly have someone star in the Spring game, then fade into obscurity.

I love Spurrier, but don’t always put much weight in his opinions. He thought Tommy Beecher was going to be “the guy”, thought so highly of Conner Mitch that he promised he wouldn’t retire until his eligibility was gone, and left us with a walk on at QB.

J.B. showed up out of shape, hadn’t started a game in almost 2 years, and took time to learn the reads and calls. Even he admits it. Starting him before he was ready was setting him up for failure.

I get you, I understand what you’re saying. I don’t agree with the “every spring game” statement, but otherwise I get it.

I have said several times “do you want to do calesthinics or win ball games?” My point is that had Doty shown *anything* of promise in 2020 or then five months later in the spring, it would be a moot situation; he’s the incumbent, he shows chops (and I’m sorry; it takes more than a playbook to win ball games, got to have skills to enhance it), I would say let’s go. But he didn’t; he looked absolutely every bit as tentative, jittery, and forgive the word but useless as he did before, and that translated right into our season, foot or no foot. Yet Beamer named him the starter anyway the day after spring, when we could have started working Brown with more intent. Again, if it looked like Doty would win us games, no problem; but it didn’t.

As far as Brown “admitting” whatever, he’s a good soldier and is not going to contradict his coach. His mother tells a different story on social media. And Beechers and Mitches aside, I believe Spurrier knows what he’s looking at.

All water under the bridge now; let’s go win some ball games.

 

[Lakecock1]

If our OL blocked line they did, probably so.

Do you really think the OL would have blocked with the same focus and level of intensity for Zeb that they did with Brown? WOW! If Zeb had stepped foot on the field, he would have sucked all the air out of that OL and we would have been looking at a repeat of UT and TAMU.

It is a real shame that you and others don't seem to understand that some players (not necessarily starters) are extremely popular with their teammates. The players KNOW and SEE who are busting their tails day in and day out. They know who deserves a chance to play, and the know who gives them the best chance to win. They are motivated to help those players succeed.

IMHO, the team resents the fact that Zeb was given the reigns when Doty went down because it was Brown who had busted his ass during the spring, showed out in the Spring game, put in extra work over the summer and fall, lost the necessary weight to make him even more mobile/effective, did everything the coaches asked, and as per many of Beamer's statements throughout the year, 'just makes plays when he's in there.'

The OL and the others on the team simply HAD to have a closer bond with Brown than with Zeb. Similar to the situation we faced under Sparky Woods with Steve Taneyhill - a backup known as a gunslinger, but with enough confidence in himself to take risks that others would not take. The players rally around players that like - especially when they show out once given the opportunity.

 

[Lurker123]

As far as Brown “admitting” whatever, he’s a good soldier and is not going to contradict his coach. His mother tells a different story on social media. And Beechers and Mitches aside, I believe Spurrier knows what he’s looking at.

Granted social media is the devil. But I admit to being curious. I've seen her comments referenced, but never explained. What was she supposedly saying?

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Do you really think the OL would have blocked with the same focus and level of intensity for Zeb that they did with Brown? WOW! If Zeb had stepped foot on the field, he would have sucked all the air out of that OL and we would have been looking at a repeat of UT and TAMU.

It is a real shame that you and others don't seem to understand that some players (not necessarily starters) are extremely popular with their teammates. The players KNOW and SEE who are busting their tails day in and day out. They know who deserves a chance to play, and the know who gives them the best chance to win. They are motivated to help those players succeed.

IMHO, the team resents the fact that Zeb was given the reigns when Doty went down because it was Brown who had busted his ass during the spring, showed out in the Spring game, put in extra work over the summer and fall, lost the necessary weight to make him even more mobile/effective, did everything the coaches asked, and as per many of Beamer's statements throughout the year, 'just makes plays when he's in there.'

The OL and the others on the team simply HAD to have a closer bond with Brown than with Zeb. Similar to the situation we faced under Sparky Woods with Steve Taneyhill - a backup known as a gunslinger, but with enough confidence in himself to take risks that others would not take. The players rally around players that like - especially when they show out once given the opportunity.

Whoa...are you suggesting our OL was tanking it when Zeb was in the game? That's a pretty big allegation to make. You have some proof?

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Spurrier had more busts here at QB than he had hits. Way more. His QB evaluations at UF were spot on when he had 5* QBs 3 deep on the roster. They weren't so great here.

 

[kidrobinski]

Granted social media is the devil. But I admit to being curious. I've seen her comments referenced, but never explained. What was she supposedly saying?

No, that’s not my place; I’m not going to throw drama on here. She made comments on some of the more commonly accepted knocks on Jason, I’ll leave it at that.

The last place I saw her, and her last name is not Brown, was on the Chris Phillips Facebook pages; that’s been about a month ago now. I don’t remember her last name; maybe someone else that saw her posts can put that here.

I will note that she would not “start” anything; she would respond to the typical social media idiots making snarky statements.

Who knows; she is his mom.

 

[WingchunCock]

Do you really think the OL would have blocked with the same focus and level of intensity for Zeb that they did with Brown? WOW! If Zeb had stepped foot on the field, he would have sucked all the air out of that OL and we would have been looking at a repeat of UT and TAMU.

It is a real shame that you and others don't seem to understand that some players (not necessarily starters) are extremely popular with their teammates. The players KNOW and SEE who are busting their tails day in and day out. They know who deserves a chance to play, and the know who gives them the best chance to win. They are motivated to help those players succeed.

IMHO, the team resents the fact that Zeb was given the reigns when Doty went down because it was Brown who had busted his ass during the spring, showed out in the Spring game, put in extra work over the summer and fall, lost the necessary weight to make him even more mobile/effective, did everything the coaches asked, and as per many of Beamer's statements throughout the year, 'just makes plays when he's in there.'

The OL and the others on the team simply HAD to have a closer bond with Brown than with Zeb. Similar to the situation we faced under Sparky Woods with Steve Taneyhill - a backup known as a gunslinger, but with enough confidence in himself to take risks that others would not take. The players rally around players that like - especially when they show out once given the opportunity.

I certainly realize that some players are popular with other players. But if ANY player tanks a game because so and so isn’t in the game they need to be removed from the team.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

I certainly realize that some players are popular with other players. But if ANY player tanks a game because so and so isn’t in the game they need to be removed from the team.

Yeah, this is one of the most asinine suggestions ever on this forum. We just had a bad blocking scheme in the first 8 games. Not the OLs fault as they were doing what they were told. Changed our scheme for Game 9 and it worked like a charm and opened up the whole offense.

 

[WingchunCock]

Yeah, this is one of the most asinine suggestions ever on this forum. We just had a bad blocking scheme in the first 8 games. Not the OLs fault as they were doing what they were told. Changed our scheme for Game 9 and it worked like a charm and opened up the whole offense.

Just responding to the poster that alluded to that being the case…

 

[atl-cock]

So that means the guy was:
1. Out of shape
2. Not up to SEC speed
3. Did not know the offense
4. Came from a D3 program
Maybe you can add some more to the list?

The staff needs to take the blame for this and homers like you need to quit with all the enablement.

#4 is wrong. St. Francis (PA) is FCS, not D3.

 

[atl-cock]

Do you really think the OL would have blocked with the same focus and level of intensity for Zeb that they did with Brown? WOW! If Zeb had stepped foot on the field, he would have sucked all the air out of that OL and we would have been looking at a repeat of UT and TAMU.

It is a real shame that you and others don't seem to understand that some players (not necessarily starters) are extremely popular with their teammates. The players KNOW and SEE who are busting their tails day in and day out. They know who deserves a chance to play, and the know who gives them the best chance to win. They are motivated to help those players succeed.

IMHO, the team resents the fact that Zeb was given the reigns when Doty went down because it was Brown who had busted his ass during the spring, showed out in the Spring game, put in extra work over the summer and fall, lost the necessary weight to make him even more mobile/effective, did everything the coaches asked, and as per many of Beamer's statements throughout the year, 'just makes plays when he's in there.'

The OL and the others on the team simply HAD to have a closer bond with Brown than with Zeb. Similar to the situation we faced under Sparky Woods with Steve Taneyhill - a backup known as a gunslinger, but with enough confidence in himself to take risks that others would not take. The players rally around players that like - especially when they show out once given the opportunity.

Of course, we don't know with certainty that the team has a closer bond with Brown than with Luke or Zeb, but I do think you are correct, and would bet $$$ on it.

 

[Flameout12]

#4 is wrong. St. Francis (PA) is FCS, not D3.

Not according to some of the experts on this board. 😏
And they'll also fill you in on the other reasons Brown wasn't playing.

 

[Flameout12]

Spurrier had more busts here at QB than he had hits. Way more. His QB evaluations at UF were spot on when he had 5* QBs 3 deep on the roster. They weren't so great here.

Steve started a walk-on at UF and even benched Danny Wuerffel. It was not a bed of roses.

 

[atl-cock]

Not according to some of the experts on this board. 😏
And they'll also fill you in on the other reasons Brown wasn't playing.

P5 is certainly a step up from FCS, but not nearly as dramatic as going from D-III to P5.

 

[mavrik09]

Brown made some good plays and I'm excited to see what he can do. I didn't see him do anything last night that our other guys couldn't do. Maybe they would have maybe not.

What I do know is that the offensive game plan we saw last night in the first half was completely different than what we had been seeing. As we got closer to the old scheme was when our offense bogged down again.

I thought Brown recognised pressure early enough to get out of the pocket and extend plays, something I haven't seen a lot of from the other two. Maybe Doty a time of two. Based on our schedule, I think even if Brown were the starter that our record would be different. This week will be our best chance to get to a bowl. I'm not overly optimistic, but maybe we can get there.

 

[Neanderthal]

Never trust the mom when it comes to football. Too much emotion there.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Just responding to the poster that alluded to that being the case…

Yup…gotcha!

 

[chief2791]

Steve started a walk-on at UF and even benched Danny Wuerffel. It was not a bed of roses.

That's one thing I appreciated about the HBC. If you weren't performing, he'd try someone different, even if it was for just a few series. Sometimes guys need to see the view from the bench to clear their head.

 

[Flameout12]

P5 is certainly a step up from FCS, but not nearly as dramatic as going from D-III to P5.

Well I had no idea Jason was that elusive and UF didn't intimidate him. They guy can make plays on the run.
There are a lot better defenses than UF, but we only need to win by 1 pt.

 

[Flameout12]

That's one thing I appreciated about the HBC. If you weren't performing, he'd try someone different, even if it was for just a few series. Sometimes guys need to see the view from the bench to clear their head.

Steve would definitely yank their chain and sometimes it backfired.
But he would have given Brown a chance much sooner than what we saw.

 

[kidrobinski]

I certainly realize that some players are popular with other players. But if ANY player tanks a game because so and so isn’t in the game they need to be removed from the team.

Agree 100%, but it happens. Fwiw, I do NOT think we have a problem such as that of any sort on our team, and I think folks misinterpreted the meaning of “united” that the OP intended on the thread with that word in the title.

I’ve listened to interviews of players on one of Holtz’s teams, the year Andrew Pinnock came aboard after he was cleared, where there was divisiveness on the team about who should be playing qb, and certain players would intentionally do crap like hike the ball too high, including occasionally over the head, intentionally whiff blocks, drop passes, juvenile crap like that.

Don’t know if you’ve ever heard Syvelle Newton talk about Spurrier; he’s not a fan. He actually has some legit beefs.