Why are all of you on here Calling for Jake Bently ?

[bwebb2001]

This Kid is Red Shirted. There is no point in playing him this season. We all have to remember the mess spurrier and his crew left us in when they decided to stop recruiting three years ago. Meaning we are gonna take a lot of lumps and its going to be a while before we are competitive again. Also can you please give it a rest about Kurt Roper. The scheme and calls are all right. You need to get out your SABAN quotes on this one. It isnt talent nor ability that makes an offense great . It is the execution with witch they play . Our Kids are not executing the offense . I believe with time they will. I believe in Kurt Roper . We dont need the ney say crew on this site . We need some all in types who believe in BOOM and what it is we are trying to accomplish this year. Trust me when I say it sucks big ones to have to return to the bottom of the sec and take your knocks again after doing it for so long , It hurts and its shameful when CU is doing so well, That being said , I still believe we are going in the right direction with the staff we have now.

 

[king ward]

As to your various points: agree, disagree, agree, somewhat agree, disagree, agree, agree, want to agree but jury is still out.

 

[JSpears5]

You need to get out your SABAN quotes on this one. It isnt talent nor ability that makes an offense great . It is the execution with witch they play

Damn easy for him to say with the best players at every position

 

[67gamecock]

They'd 'piss on a live spark plug' if it would do any good. It is what it is.

 

[92Pony]

I agree completely that Spurrier left us in a huge mess. I also agree that after 6 games - heck after one whole season - is too soon to be passing judgement on Roper and/or Muschamp. They've inherited a huge mess that will not be rectified overnight.

However, I do somewhat disagree about Bentley. Here's why; Seeing what we have at QB through 6 games, I'm becoming more convinced that Bentley needs live reps - not in practice, against predictable friendlies - in order to be better prepared for next season. What I'm seeing from BMac doesn't give me hope for next year. I believe that it's entirely possible that JB beats him out for the position next year (I sincerely HOPE we have better QB play next year from SOMEONE!). If that happens, we are in basically the same scenario as we are right now with QB play - more on-the-job-training. Ain't nobody got time fo that anymore! I don't want to do this again next season.

Does the RS stay on Bentley? Maybe so, and if so, then so be it. However, if lifting it and getting him experience that pays off next year is something the coaches think is beneficial, then lets go! Ultimately (and obviously - duh) it's their decision - and I'd be willing to bet they are/will/ or have already talked with Jake about it. UMass would be the best scenario to do it, IF they're going to do it, IMO.

 

[vineyardscock]

I agree completely that Spurrier left us in a huge mess. I also agree that after 6 games - heck after one whole season - is too soon to be passing judgement on Roper and/or Muschamp. They've inherited a huge mess that will not be rectified overnight.

However, I do somewhat disagree about Bentley. Here's why; Seeing what we have at QB through 6 games, I'm becoming more convinced that Bentley needs live reps - not in practice, against predictable friendlies - in order to be better prepared for next season. What I'm seeing from BMac doesn't give me hope for next year. I believe that it's entirely possible that JB beats him out for the position next year (I sincerely HOPE we have better QB play next year from SOMEONE!). If that happens, we are in basically the same scenario as we are right now with QB play - more on-the-job-training. Ain't nobody got time fo that anymore! I don't want to do this again next season.

Does the RS stay on Bentley? Maybe so, and if so, then so be it. However, if lifting it and getting him experience that pays off next year is something the coaches think is beneficial, then lets go! Ultimately (and obviously - duh) it's their decision - and I'd be willing to bet they are/will/ or have already talked with Jake about it. UMass would be the best scenario to do it, IF they're going to do it, IMO.

My thoughts exactly. It is now or never for him. If you are going to burn the RS you do it with a bye week and against UMass. If they decide not to, okay. I'm just more open to it, and would suggest it, than I once was.

 

[bucketdad]

There are six games left in the season. If there were say four, I'd agree in keeping him red shirted. Six is a lot of experience though. Bye is a plus. UMass for first game is a plus. Numerous home games is a plus. Seems like a no-brainer to me if he's ready. If he's not, that's another story.

 

[ken in sacramento]

If he could help the team win- he'd be playing. Believe it or not JB is learning alot and gaining valuable experience.

I've seen enough Orth. He should still play but only to spell BMAC.

BMAC needs to get the majority of the snaps going forward. If he's what they say he is, the light will come on. I'd like to see him play with the full compliment of skill players and our "best" Oline.

 

[lexgamecock]

This Kid is Red Shirted. There is no point in playing him this season. We all have to remember the mess spurrier and his crew left us in when they decided to stop recruiting three years ago. Meaning we are gonna take a lot of lumps and its going to be a while before we are competitive again. Also can you please give it a rest about Kurt Roper. The scheme and calls are all right. You need to get out your SABAN quotes on this one. It isnt talent nor ability that makes an offense great . It is the execution with witch they play . Our Kids are not executing the offense . I believe with time they will. I believe in Kurt Roper . We dont need the ney say crew on this site . We need some all in types who believe in BOOM and what it is we are trying to accomplish this year. Trust me when I say it sucks big ones to have to return to the bottom of the sec and take your knocks again after doing it for so long , It hurts and its shameful when CU is doing so well, That being said , I still believe we are going in the right direction with the staff we have now.

OK so Nichols State has better talent (and coaching) than us? They put 24 on our latest opponent UGA. It goes further than talent. We have guys that can't block, catch, run, and commit stupid penalties.

 

[bucketdad]

If he could help the team win- he'd be playing. Believe it or not JB is learning alot and gaining valuable experience.

I've seen enough Orth. He should still play but only to spell BMAC.

BMAC needs to get the majority of the snaps going forward. If he's what they say he is, the light will come on. I'd like to see him play with the full compliment of skill players and our "best" Oline.

Some guys are just plain better coming in off the bench. I've always believed Orth is one of those guys.

 

[Poultry King]

There are six games left in the season. If there were say four, I'd agree in keeping him red shirted. Six is a lot of experience though. Bye is a plus. UMass for first game is a plus. Numerous home games is a plus. Seems like a no-brainer to me if he's ready. If he's not, that's another story.

I Agree and disagree...you had me up until the end. How much ore clueless could Jake be? The two we have played are all over the place and holding the ball...getting sacked. If he is any further behind them; then he must barely know who is on his team.

We are not making a bowl with or without Orth or BM...Likely Jake too.
But any snaps given to Orth is wasted time. We are going nowhere w him and these reps need to go to the two competitors for next year.
To sit on Jake's RS year is placing a gamble to have him around for 2020 season. Muschamp will be gone by 2020 if we don't start winning. No one wants to hear next year that our WRs are experienced and looking much better...Turner & Dowdle are rocking at RB; but we still have another inexperienced qb to drag down the O.
Play Jake and Brandon rest of the way...lets be rocking into spring ball; not limping.

 

[king ward]

I Agree and disagree...you had me up until the end.
We are not making a bowl with or without Orth or BM...Likely Jake too.
But any snaps given to Orth is wasted time. We are going nowhere w him and these reps need to go to the two competitors for next year.
To sit on Jake's RS year is placing a gamble to have him around for 2020 season. Muschamp will be gone by 2020 if we don't start winning. No one wants to hear next year that our WRs are experienced and looking much better...Turner & Dowdle are rocking at RB; but we still have another inexperienced qb to drag down the O.
Play Jake and Brandon rest of the way...lets be rocking into spring ball; not limping.

That QB out at Washington couldn't get us to a bowl now.

 

[bucketdad]

I Agree and disagree...you had me up until the end.
We are not making a bowl with or without Orth or BM...Likely Jake too.
But any snaps given to Orth is wasted time. We are going nowhere w him and these reps need to go to the two competitors for next year.
To sit on Jake's RS year is placing a gamble to have him around for 2020 season. Muschamp will be gone by 2020 if we don't start winning. No one wants to hear next year that our WRs are experienced and looking much better...Turner & Dowdle are rocking at RB; but we still have another inexperienced qb to drag down the O.
Play Jake and Brandon rest of the way...lets be rocking into spring ball; not limping.

Good point.

 

[bigalsm42]

Thanks b webb,
I appreciate your comments. Why in the h will you take Bently off of red shirt. it's the lack of b blocking want change the quarterback issues. No matter. We need to continue working with Brandon and start working with Bently next year.

 

[lexgamecock]

That QB out at Washington couldn't get us to a bowl now.

The QB at Louisville would.

 

[carolinamyke]

Do orth who passed for 288 yards Sunday and about 150 in fourth quarter against Texas a and m is better " off the bench " ? Mcilwain threw for 30 yards n 3 quarters and shows no touch on the ball. And sure reps may help but not this year. He's the one who should come off the bench at certain times.

 

[jon#]

In that front page article, Zandi said Bentley has gotten "limited reps" with the first team.

I agree though- it's UMass or next season. There isn't a better time to trot him out there

 

[V1RUS]

Stop spewing logic

The chicken littles want to burn his redshirt!!!! And daggumit rabble rabble rabble!!!

 

[king ward]

The QB at Louisville would.

Starting from this point? That's what we're talking about. Conjectural, to say the least. However, he's definitely better than anyone we have.

 

[rogue cock]

The QB at Louisville would.

Not as a true frosh, he wouldn't. Didn't set the world on fire last year....and they had a pretty darn good OL and experienced receivers.

This year...sure.

 

[BigTomE]

I agree completely that Spurrier left us in a huge mess. I also agree that after 6 games - heck after one whole season - is too soon to be passing judgement on Roper and/or Muschamp. They've inherited a huge mess that will not be rectified overnight.

However, I do somewhat disagree about Bentley. Here's why; Seeing what we have at QB through 6 games, I'm becoming more convinced that Bentley needs live reps - not in practice, against predictable friendlies - in order to be better prepared for next season. What I'm seeing from BMac doesn't give me hope for next year. I believe that it's entirely possible that JB beats him out for the position next year (I sincerely HOPE we have better QB play next year from SOMEONE!). If that happens, we are in basically the same scenario as we are right now with QB play - more on-the-job-training. Ain't nobody got time fo that anymore! I don't want to do this again next season.

Does the RS stay on Bentley? Maybe so, and if so, then so be it. However, if lifting it and getting him experience that pays off next year is something the coaches think is beneficial, then lets go! Ultimately (and obviously - duh) it's their decision - and I'd be willing to bet they are/will/ or have already talked with Jake about it. UMass would be the best scenario to do it, IF they're going to do it, IMO.

Will Bentley be better in 6 games this season or for an entire season 4 years from now? Playing him at all this season is cheating him out of a year of eligibility.

 

[BigTomE]

I Agree and disagree...you had me up until the end. How much ore clueless could Jake be? The two we have played are all over the place and holding the ball...getting sacked. If he is any further behind them; then he must barely know who is on his team.

We are not making a bowl with or without Orth or BM...Likely Jake too.
But any snaps given to Orth is wasted time. We are going nowhere w him and these reps need to go to the two competitors for next year.
To sit on Jake's RS year is placing a gamble to have him around for 2020 season. Muschamp will be gone by 2020 if we don't start winning. No one wants to hear next year that our WRs are experienced and looking much better...Turner & Dowdle are rocking at RB; but we still have another inexperienced qb to drag down the O.
Play Jake and Brandon rest of the way...lets be rocking into spring ball; not limping.

Turner and Dowdle are rocking at RB? I agree that Turner has made a few great runs, but he's also disappeared in several games. Dowdle has shown glimpses of talent, but he's not lighting up the Stat sheets yet. Orth just completed almost 70% of his passes last week for nearly 300 yards, but he's still getting hammered by you guys? Turner and Dowdle's stats have been below average overall, yet they receive praise?

 

[king ward]

Will Bentley be better in 6 games this season or for an entire season 4 years from now? Playing him at all this season is cheating him out of a year of eligibility.

He's a player on scholarship. Playing him isn't cheating him of anything. If he's our best quarterback on campus, now is the time to find it out. He'll be glad we did, as will the rest of us. If not, expending a year of his eligibility is moot.

 

[92Pony]

Will Bentley be better in 6 games this season or for an entire season 4 years from now? Playing him at all this season is cheating him out of a year of eligibility.

I don't care about 4yrs from now, honestly. As I said - if we don't get him some experience this year, we'll likely be fielding a QB with no real game exp again next year. Sorry, but watching film and playing in spring games doesn't prepare for SEC play.

 

[FWB4294]

My opinion is that Bentley is just not ready . I think if he was really head and shoulders above the other guys then he would have started week 1 . Let's not forget Bentley is not just a true freshman , he is an early enrolled true freshman who in all honesty should be playing high school ball right now . I would need to research more but I can't ever remember an early enrolled true freshman QB ever starting at a major school . The closest I remember was Matt Barkley at USC and he was the #1 rated recruit in America . Not many kids at any position can make the jump from their junior season in high school to starting in the SEC much less at QB . Also I'm sure that Bentley is a talented kid but he was by no means a top 100 recruit so to talk about him as if he is the great savior of the program is WAY premature . If I can recall Connor Mitch, Bmac and Garcia especially were rated much higher than Jake coming out of HS. The bottom line is we could put Joe Montana back there right now and still not win so why throw him in now and destroy any confidence he might have .

 

[king ward]

My opinion is that Bentley is just not ready . I think if he was really head and shoulders above the other guys then he would have started week 1 . Let's not forget Bentley is not just a true freshman , he is an early enrolled true freshman who in all honesty should be playing high school ball right now . I would need to research more but I can't ever remember an early enrolled true freshman QB ever starting at a major school . The closest I remember was Matt Barkley at USC and he was the #1 rated recruit in America . Not many kids at any position can make the jump from their junior season in high school to starting in the SEC much less at QB . Also I'm sure that Bentley is a talented kid but he was by no means a top 100 recruit so to talk about him as if he is the great savior of the program is WAY premature . If I can recall Connor Mitch, Bmac and Garcia especially were rated much higher than Jake coming out of HS. The bottom line is we could put Joe Montana back there right now and still not win so why throw him in now and destroy any confidence he might have .

Well stated. I don't agree on every point, but well stated.

 

[BigTomE]

He's a player on scholarship. Playing him isn't cheating him of anything. If he's our best quarterback on campus, now is the time to find it out. He'll be glad we did, as will the rest of us. If not, expending a year of his eligibility is moot.

So you're willing to trade 6 games this season for 12 games in 4 years? To me, it's not even a question.

 

[king ward]

So you're willing to trade 6 games this season for 12 games in 4 years? To me, it's not even a question.

All of that is theoretical. Not one of us is guaranteed anything beyond today. We have a team that struggling right now - looking for answers. That isn't theoretical.

 

[FWB4294]

Well stated. I don't agree on every point, but well stated.

Thank you . I can totally see both sides of the coin . If the kid can play and he is really that much better than the other options then I say play him, but only if he has demonstrated in practice that he is head and shoulders above Bmac and Orth . What I wouldn't do is throw him out there "Just to see what he can do " or " Nobody else is getting it done so let's try something else." I really think that even though he put a pretty spin on it ; Champ, his staff and Tanner knew that this season was going to be a Trainwreck. Anybody who is a student of college football can clearly see going into the season that there is no way this year was going to be pretty so it's a tough spot . If we had an All American Back and a solid Oline I would say play him , but with what we have that's a tough call to make . However , I can see both sides . We play him and he lights it up and we are set for the next 4 years , we play him and he gets beat to death and plays like crap, loses confidence and we have no idea what to do next year . It could easily go either way . Tough decision

 

[gamecockwrestler]

If Bentley is as good as advertised, he will never play four years. We need to start looking at kids staying for three if they're good.Nunez couldn't do any worse than Bmac has and Oarth......sheesh he throws better than Bmac, but my god, who has to start walk on QBs in the SEC or even Southern Conference?

 

[92Pony]

If Bentley is as good as advertised, he will never play four years. We need to start looking at kids staying for three if they're good.Nunez couldn't do any worse than Bmac has and Oarth......sheesh he throws better than Bmac, but my god, who has to start walk on QBs in the SEC or even Southern Conference?

It probably isn't a popular notion, but in my mind, in hindsight, its starting to look like a better idea to have kept Nunez at QB.......

 

[uscfutbol]

I don't think Bentley graduated early to come to SC and sit on the bench. He said he wanted to play and compete for the job. He could have stayed in HS and played every snap and got experience. I have no problem if they decide to play him the last 6 games. I actually think the BMac/Bentely rotation would be good for both of them. 4 years from now will have new players and possibly coaches if things are still the same. I am adamant about the fact that Orth shouldn't be starting and shouldn't be getting many reps at all. As I stated on another thread, he's tough, he's a gamecock, and I love all gamecocks, but football season will be here next Sept., Orth will not, so play those that help us get better for next year, whomever it may be.

 

[bucketdad]

I don't think Bentley graduated early to come to SC and sit on the bench. He said he wanted to play and compete for the job. He could have stayed in HS and played every snap and got experience. I have no problem if they decide to play him the last 6 games. I actually think the BMac/Bentely rotation would be good for both of them. 4 years from now will have new players and possibly coaches if things are still the same. I am adamant about the fact that Orth shouldn't be starting and shouldn't be getting many reps at all. As I stated on another thread, he's tough, he's a gamecock, and I love all gamecocks, but football season will be here next Sept., Orth will not, so play those that help us get better for next year, whomever it may be.

Would love to see both of them on equal footing (experience wise) going into the QB competition next year.

 

[Mr.Cocky83]

My opinion is that Bentley is just not ready . I think if he was really head and shoulders above the other guys then he would have started week 1 . Let's not forget Bentley is not just a true freshman , he is an early enrolled true freshman who in all honesty should be playing high school ball right now . I would need to research more but I can't ever remember an early enrolled true freshman QB ever starting at a major school . The closest I remember was Matt Barkley at USC and he was the #1 rated recruit in America . Not many kids at any position can make the jump from their junior season in high school to starting in the SEC much less at QB . Also I'm sure that Bentley is a talented kid but he was by no means a top 100 recruit so to talk about him as if he is the great savior of the program is WAY premature . If I can recall Connor Mitch, Bmac and Garcia especially were rated much higher than Jake coming out of HS. The bottom line is we could put Joe Montana back there right now and still not win so why throw him in now and destroy any confidence he might have .

I'm pretty sure that Bmac is an early enrollee, true freshman QB that started at a major school. One of the reasons he was ahead of Jake is because he had more time in the program by being an early enrollee. Now Jake has had time in the program.

From what I have read on here, Jake is actually older than Bmac. And that the reason he just finished his junior year, is because his dad held him back a year. In essence, redshirting him to gain more experience. So, he could have just as much experience as Bmac. And it doesn't hurt that he's a coaches son.

As far as his ranking goes, i'm pretty sure, he was highly ranked. I'm not sure if underclassmen are ranked in the top 300. But had he stayed for his senior year, he may very well have been ranked in the top 100.

 

[bucketdad]

It's early enough in the season where he could very well end up fielding more snaps than any QB we have played this year. And it's possible he could be going in to next year as the most experienced QB we have. That's hardly a waste.

 

[gamecockrealist]

There are six games left in the season. If there were say four, I'd agree in keeping him red shirted. Six is a lot of experience though. Bye is a plus. UMass for first game is a plus. Numerous home games is a plus. Seems like a no-brainer to me if he's ready. If he's not, that's another story.

So what happens when we burn his redshirt and all of you experts see that Bentley has the exact same results as the other two qb's? Anyone else y'all want to throw in to the qb mix? Hurst maybe? ITS NOT THE QUARTERBACK! ITS THE SORRY OFFENSIVE LINE AND NO RUNNING GAME!

 

[gamecockrealist]

I Agree and disagree...you had me up until the end. How much ore clueless could Jake be? The two we have played are all over the place and holding the ball...getting sacked. If he is any further behind them; then he must barely know who is on his team.

We are not making a bowl with or without Orth or BM...Likely Jake too.
But any snaps given to Orth is wasted time. We are going nowhere w him and these reps need to go to the two competitors for next year.
To sit on Jake's RS year is placing a gamble to have him around for 2020 season. Muschamp will be gone by 2020 if we don't start winning. No one wants to hear next year that our WRs are experienced and looking much better...Turner & Dowdle are rocking at RB; but we still have another inexperienced qb to drag down the O.
Play Jake and Brandon rest of the way...lets be rocking into spring ball; not limping.

"Rocking at runningback"?
We rushed for a grand total of 30 yards last week. Our ground game stinks! Our offensive line cant block anyone. Its not the fault of the qb's.

 

[bucketdad]

So what happens when we burn his redshirt and all of you experts see that Bentley has the exact same results as the other two qb's? Anyone else y'all want to throw in to the qb mix? Hurst maybe? ITS NOT THE QUARTERBACK! ITS THE SORRY OFFENSIVE LINE AND NO RUNNING GAME!

If he's not ready, he's not ready. No one here knows. I wouldn't expect the coaches to put him out there if he's not.
No one is disputing the Oline problems. Orth has proven that if you can get the ball out quickly, you can have some success. Who's to say Bentley can't? Orth also makes freshmen type mistakes at times. I'm sure Bentley will too. IMO, if you burn a red shirt for some quality experience (which is what the rest of the season offers), so what.

 

[Mr.Cocky83]

So what happens when we burn his redshirt and all of you experts see that Bentley has the exact same results as the other two qb's? Anyone else y'all want to throw in to the qb mix? Hurst maybe? ITS NOT THE QUARTERBACK! ITS THE SORRY OFFENSIVE LINE AND NO RUNNING GAME!

Hurst has the tools in size, speed, and arm strength. I have asked Chris Clark about this before. Maybe he doesn't have the intangibles to play the position. Maybe he has never played the position and doesn't know how to read defenses.

 

[ken in sacramento]

I think lots of you all are underestimating what JB is getting in his RS year. A year of practice, meetings, seeing and running the offense (yes with the 2s but still), traveling, working with his receiver group, observing leadership styles, learning to be a and student and CFB player, etc. A RS FROSH year is a developmental and learning experience. He's not just standing around holding clipboards. If he's as good as some of you want to believe (three and done and all that), he'll set the world on fire next spring and fall. At minimum he will be more than ready to compete with BMAC in the spring.

As I've said over and over- if he could move the needle this year, the coaches would have played him. I see the argument for getting him game experience, but at this point, that experience would come at a very heavy price- unless he won- which seems very unlikely.

BMAC is getting the game experience right now. Need to see if the light comes on for him. Put JB in and there might not be enough snaps for the three of them for any lights to come on.

Good discussion though. Enjoy everyone's thoughts!