Yeah, college football is done
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Us having lived through Muschamp doesn’t mean you can’t look at another program and ask questions.
So you think this is what is going to finally push Miami past Clemson in the ACC or even just make them the dominant team in their division?
I have said nothing of the kind, and have not stated any opinion about the Miami Hurricanes in any capacity.
So far no one is implying that this particular action is going to propel Miami into CFP territory, and that was not part of the original discussion.
I think it's more likely that Texas and Texas A&M leave everybody else behind. As has already been said, the new model isn't really about legitimate return on your advertising investment (which would favor teams in large TV markets), but is about creating a "legal" way for it boosters to get money in the hands of the best players. At the end of the day, the programs whose boosters are willing to throw the most money at their players will probably get the best players.
I would imagine the university has created a NIL department that is reaching out to all paying club members asking for NIL donations. I hope a real person calls me so I can laugh in their ear.
Yeah it will be tough to watch your school work to build and coach up a contender. Only for some school with a wealthy booster to change all that with his checkbook.
I don’t see how that is an explanation for why this will end CFB. How will each member of Miami making $500 per month on the side going to impact anything?
It’s not going to on any level.
The market will take care of itself. Take this Miami situation, if I’m a rival gym I offer the top 5 most popular guys on Miami an NIL deal worth $10k a piece. Now the guy who just made that ridiculous offer to everyone is completely undercut. No stars and still on the hook to pay 80 other guys. Big time investments in college athletes will not have the ROI necessary on a large scale. Water will find its level.
The ROI is better football results. To a booster, that is worth the money. A crooked Auburn booster doesn't care if the $10,000 he spends to now legally buy a player doesn't result in a monetary profit for himself. The payoff is better results on the field.
A few random thoughts on NIL...
- I don't view NIL as a "concession" by the NCAA. On its basest level NIL is a "God-given right at birth" and the NCAA had no ability to take that away from athletes. That's why the SCOTUS bitch-slapped the NCAA over this.
- Which means that the (as some posters on some other boards have suggested) NCAA cannot cap what athletes can get through NIL in an effort to "level the playing field". In no other occupational field is there a cap on what someone can make (The NCAA already tried to cap it at "$0.00" and how did that turn out?). And, before someone points to pro salaries, those are paid salaries by the owners/teams. There are absolutely no limits on what players can make in endorsements (Which is NIL).
- NIL is very rarely going to produce generational wealth for an athlete. In the vast majority of cases, at best this will be a side hustle for the athletes.
- The kids that will make the most money from this will either have the most marketable talent or the most marketable personalities. It's going to depend on the individual kid. Not the team, roster position or school. Bama might be able to have kids make money based on who is the 3rd string RT or Long Snapper. But, that's going to be about it.
- Which points to the teams that recruited the best before NIL will likely still be the best recruiting programs. I don't see anything changing that. The BCS didn't change it. The Play-Off didn't change it. Expanding the PO won't change it. Neither will NIL.
- NIL isn't going to level the playing field in recruiting. It isn't really going to change recruiting at all. It will put some money in at least some of the players' pockets.
- I believe that most schools will administer NIL ethically and honestly. Will there be "cheating"? Yup, but I think it will be the programs that were already cheating (like Miami). You either have integrity or you don't. I don't think NIL is evil nor even bad. It's a tool. Just like a firearm is neither evil nor bad. A firearm is only a tool. Bad things happen when that tool is used by a criminal. But, the tool itself isn't evil.
- I don't view NIL as a "concession" by the NCAA. On its basest level NIL is a "God-given right at birth" and the NCAA had no ability to take that away from athletes. That's why the SCOTUS bitch-slapped the NCAA over this.
- Which means that the (as some posters on some other boards have suggested) NCAA cannot cap what athletes can get through NIL in an effort to "level the playing field". In no other occupational field is there a cap on what someone can make (The NCAA already tried to cap it at "$0.00" and how did that turn out?). And, before someone points to pro salaries, those are paid salaries by the owners/teams. There are absolutely no limits on what players can make in endorsements (Which is NIL).
- NIL is very rarely going to produce generational wealth for an athlete. In the vast majority of cases, at best this will be a side hustle for the athletes.
- The kids that will make the most money from this will either have the most marketable talent or the most marketable personalities. It's going to depend on the individual kid. Not the team, roster position or school. Bama might be able to have kids make money based on who is the 3rd string RT or Long Snapper. But, that's going to be about it.
- Which points to the teams that recruited the best before NIL will likely still be the best recruiting programs. I don't see anything changing that. The BCS didn't change it. The Play-Off didn't change it. Expanding the PO won't change it. Neither will NIL.
- NIL isn't going to level the playing field in recruiting. It isn't really going to change recruiting at all. It will put some money in at least some of the players' pockets.
- I believe that most schools will administer NIL ethically and honestly. Will there be "cheating"? Yup, but I think it will be the programs that were already cheating (like Miami). You either have integrity or you don't. I don't think NIL is evil nor even bad. It's a tool. Just like a firearm is neither evil nor bad. A firearm is only a tool. Bad things happen when that tool is used by a criminal. But, the tool itself isn't evil.
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I asked if anyone thought this would change anything for Miami. You decided it was an appropriate time to comment on the shape Tanner and Muschamp left the program here as some kind of reason not to question the impact this might have on Miami.
I would certainly think the impact this might have on Miami is absolutely part of the discussion. If you think this is the end of college football then what this means long term for Miami is absolutely relevant.
You’re completely wrong on the 6th point.
The schools willing to pay the most money will recruit the best. Now, will the traditional powers like Alabama pay the most? Most likely, so you’re not going to see the current greats fall out of relevancy.
But this will allow any college that’s able to buy success to do so. The best example of this is Manchester City or PSG in European soccer.
There is one school that will do this more than any other - Liberty. Run by very smart crooks that realized before anyone else that you could hide cash tax free a lot easier in a university than a church. They already spend like a Power 5 - now nothing can stop them.
It is! But a good football player will squeeze in, somehow. They will start them on “academic probation.” It just sounds better to the populace. Once the player is admitted, they will have a dozen tutors each. (See Derek Watson, or Meat Summers).It’s rare that anyone fails.
This was Tailormade for what SMU used to be.
Still a lot of issues to be worked out that could damage college sports.
Will it still be considered "amatuer athletic pursuits" under the IRC? If not, donors to athletic departments may not get tax write-offs and athletic departments may have to recognize all their income and pay taxes on it.
How will this impact Title IX....especially when it comes to the money spent on the promotion of certain sports versus others.
Also, if the athletes are no longer considered amatuers there may be employment law issues.
Can't find any article that begins to address any of these issues....and probably others. It is a complex system that has maintained the amatuer status of college sports and when there is an intervention in one part of a complex system, the law of unintended consequences is likely to erupt.
I don't really understand what Title IX keeps getting brought up. Who is restricting women's sports athletes from taking advantage of NIL?
Money spent. Read the suit against Clemson regarding its decision on the track & field teams.
And now that players can be payed for their name, image and likeness....the amount of money a school or conference spends in promoting certain sports becomes a factor in the popularity and the ability of athletes to make money off their name, image and likeness.
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That seems like a stretch to me. The spending is already off and the NIL money doesn't come from the school.
You are correct that NIL money doesn't come from the school, but the money that is spent on promoting certain sports can have an impact on the ability of athletes to sell their NIL. As I said, there are issues....and the maintaining of college athletics as amatuer has been a complex system that has benefitted the colleges and the athletes. Now there has been a wrench tossed in.......
That line right there is incorrect. The implementation of NIL is to provide an avenue for players to receive remuneration for use of their NIL. The essence of "Pay for Play" is not permitted.
Schools cannot pay players nor pay for recruits. That is blatant cheating and is not legitimate NIL.
In my previous post I said that there would be cheating by the use of NIL. But, I believe that those violations will be committed by programs who were cheating POS before NIL came along.
The majority of programs do not cheat. I believe that integrity will be maintained.
As I implied earlier I do not think that NIL will act as a Starter's Pistol to impel what were "law-abiding" programs to suddenly start cheating. I feel that the status quo will remain. Most schools abiding by the rules. With the usual suspects that are still cheating their asses off.
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"Pay for Play" was also by the boosters.....and as the article on the Miami booster shows under the current state laws, he is able to set up an LLC and funnel money to players through a "unrelated" entity. This simply makes it easier for those boosters who were "cheating" to do it "legally" so to speak.
Every one of those 'tough schools to get into' make lots of exceptions when it comes to filling out their athletic rosters. Every single one.
Forgetting the 80’s when miami bought every player And dominated. Now they can do that again and sell all the celebrity status and the “lifestyle”. No fear of repercussions for buying players now, yes the big markets will dominate in time. Kids will be inundated by stars to play for there “favorite“ team. Heck, back in the day Madonna used to recruit players to miami and bring them to parties, events, etc. what 16 year old kid wouldn’t want to ride with a famous rapper or models or actor? the fame and fortune, girls, etc.
play in Columbia, SC which no one has ever heard of and get a little cash or Miami…….where are you going?
USC is going to be ridiculous in time……
they are literally going to be able to buy a team without Having to play the NFL game.
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No it's not. Jesus some of you really shouldn't speak. College football will explode into the stratosphere financially directly because of NIL. The amount of opportunities this will create from a marketing standpoint will only fatten the tv contracts of each conference. When universities start buying/investing in percentages of individual player's NIL portfolios, this will become amazing to watch. The amount of business this will create for the players alone could be astronomical, but I think it will pale in comparison to what major college football stands to make.
We've hit peak obtusement when a Kentucky fan is talking about other schools cheating.
This should also kill the transfer portal, which could be good, the rivals 250 kids will be bought with contract stipulations like 3 years attendance and so forth. 5 stars win championships, just look at the last 15 years of recruiting.
you might think a town in carolina can compete but that’s foolish, for every big donor in say South Carolina, just the area of south Florida has 50…..Cali and Texas have hundreds. A school like UNC has a chance because North Carolina is growing rapidly and with high a lot of tech and a previous national name. If they can get Jordan and some of those guys involved……stay tuned
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you might think a town in carolina can compete but that’s foolish, for every big donor in say South Carolina, just the area of south Florida has 50…..Cali and Texas have hundreds. A school like UNC has a chance because North Carolina is growing rapidly and with high a lot of tech and a previous national name. If they can get Jordan and some of those guys involved……stay tuned
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Everyone keeps saying this, but there is only so much talent you can pool.
Texas and Southern Cal can't sign 200 kids.
Texas, Texas a & m, Baylor, etc can take 50-80 plus without thinking about it. USC and UCLA could take 40+. Other big schools with renowned academic programs and alumni like Michigan and notre dame will all play. U know Oregon, the Nike school will buy a bunch and there goes the rivals 250
oklahoma with there oil money can buy a few but who wants to live in Oklahoma? Georgia has a shot with that Atlanta money and their talent base and alumni support.
Michigan and Norte dame put a lot of alumni on Wall Street, those boys have cash….
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UK does have a legacy of cheating. But, has been clean since 1989. It used to be UK fans didn't care about cheating. But, the punishments from '89 were bad enough to grind that attitude out of the Cat fans. Which is the very purpose of the punishments.
You'd be hard pressed to find a UK fan now that would want to cheat under any circumstance.
lol at having John Calipari as your coach and claiming the last team you cheated was 30 years ago.
Yawn.
Find any major violations committed since Cal got to UK. No NCAA or even FBI reports or investigations even mention UK. The only violations in the last 12 years have been minor, like Adebayo's family not paying for a lunch when meeting with a prospective agent.
Even at UMass and Memphis the NCAA committee on Infractions found no fault with Cal for any violations at those places. The NCAA even commending Cal for being the one to report the violations at UMass.
But, if you have anything other than innuendo please be a real player and bring it forward.
Else, you are merely a conspiracy theorist. The usual, "Can't beat _______________. They must be cheaters."
