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[uscwatson21]

So paying the old investors with the new investors money is going on, but we're going to argue over the semantics of fraud or intent to deceive.

Okay. Not interested.

Another brilliant post by Lurker.

The definition of a ponzi scheme:

a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.

Of course, fraud has no bearing on discussion of a ponzi scheme... Bravo.

 

[Lurker123]

Another brilliant post by Lurker.

The definition of a ponzi scheme:

a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.

Of course, fraud has no bearing on discussion of a ponzi scheme... Bravo.

Never said fraud didn't have a bearing. I said you'd argue over the semantics of fraud or intent to deceive. And surprise, I was right.

These threads would be much cleaner if you'd bother to read and respond to what I actually said.

 

[Ward Jr]

Do you consider your auto insurance a ponzi scheme? What about disability insurance? I don't. But it's built on people paying into the system so that people who need it can use it.

Is a mortgage a ponzi scheme? A car loan? Lenders provide money to X that is available because other people are paying into the system.

No, intent is important. You can't just leave it out of the equation.

Most people understand a Ponzi scheme to be a type of fraud that is built on artificially high returns with little or no risk.

Geez. Don't you sell insurance for a living?

Insurance companies must adhere to strict financial disclosures/regulations, maintain transparency, and be subject to audits and oversight by regulatory bodies.

Our government does just the opposite. They are insolvent and are currently robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Why don't Democrats understand anything about math, economics, and finance!! It's insane.

Gomer, we worry about you.

 

[hahnenkampf]

Another brilliant post by Lurker.

The definition of a ponzi scheme:

a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.

Of course, fraud has no bearing on discussion of a ponzi scheme... Bravo.

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. — William Shakespeare —

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. One only needs to review the mechanism behind Charles Ponzi’s postage stamp scheme.

 

[DeeDave]

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. One only needs to review the mechanism behind Charles Ponzi’s postage stamp scheme.

It isn't. That's silly. His postage stamp scheme was based on fraud and deception to pad his pocket.

I do hope that those who believe it's fraud are consistent and not hypocrites and refuse to accept social security. That's the least they can do.

 

[uscwatson21]

Never said fraud didn't have a bearing. I said you'd argue over the semantics of fraud or intent to deceive. And surprise, I was right.

These threads would be much cleaner if you'd bother to read and respond to what I actually said.

No one is arguing semantics. Your comment, "It's a Ponzi scheme" is a very typical low brow republican trope. It's meant to argue that SS is a fraudulent or unsustainable program. It's neither.

It ignores the reality, that funding SS through current workers' wages was the only way to adequately fund the system. As DeeDave has already explained it's no different than insurance programs.

To make SS fully self-funded, you would have needed to take the payroll taxes for 40-50 years before ever paying out benefits.

 

[Ward Jr]

 

[Forever Fowl]

Yeah - I saw that via your quote. It's a lie. Just like everything they've said. Just this morning, I've posted their lies for the day.

The biggest threat to your SS is government overspending and debt service.

Everything is a lie that you don't want to accept. Call Rep. Brendon F. Boyle or the Committee at this address and ask if they're legit.


U.S. House of Representatives
507 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 226-7200

 

[gamecock stock]

It isn't. That's silly. His postage stamp scheme was based on fraud and deception to pad his pocket.

I do hope that those who believe it's fraud are consistent and not hypocrites and refuse to accept social security. That's the least they can do.

Spot on.

 

[Lurker123]

No one is arguing semantics. Your comment, "It's a Ponzi scheme" is a very typical low brow republican trope. It's meant to argue that SS is a fraudulent or unsustainable program. It's neither.

So, just to be clear.

You don't want to argue the semantics of what is fraud or deception. But you want to argue whether fraud or deception are the right words to be used to describe SS.

Lile I said, not interested.

 

[Ward Jr]

Everything is a lie that you don't want to accept. Call Rep. Brendon F. Boyle or the Committee at this address and ask if they're legit.


U.S. House of Representatives
507 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 226-7200

This mentality is how you end up still voting for these criminals.

Sure DeeDave - I'll call the same people who are perpetuating the fraud and ask them if it's true.

This level of thinking is how you end up taking 5 toxic boosters before a "conspiracy theorist" saves your life by outing the entire operation of deception and fraud.

 

[uscwatson21]

So, just to be clear.

You don't want to argue the semantics of what is fraud or deception. But you want to argue whether fraud or deception are the right words to be used to describe SS.

Lile I said, not interested.

No, I want you to understand that Social Security is not fraud.

 

[Lurker123]

No, I want you to understand that Social Security is not fraud.

So we're going to argue over the semantics of fraud or intent to deceive.

Okay. Not interested.

 

[Forever Fowl]

IF Trump were to win, he's immediately a lame duck. That would embolden Republicans like Susan Collins to go against him as well as some others that don't like Trump except when they are on tv and have to play the game and play nice.

I don't think Trump would be able to get a lot of things through the Senate without significant compromise, not because of Democrats, but because of Republicans.

Folks like Mitch McConnell, who personally can't stand Trump because of the racist things Trump said about his wife, will go along with some things, but won't go along with others, probably just to be a thorn in his side. McConnell won't be in leadership, but he will have a vote on the Republican side of the aisle and in the Senate, every vote will still be a big deal.

Trump could do a great deal of damage by executive order and sadly the only checks would be through the courts. He also has immunity in the performance of any activity construed as job related. When he says "you won't have to vote for me again" he means he plans to stay in power. I don't understand how anyone can vote for a person who wants to throw out the constitution and states he will be a dictator from day one. When I entered the army I took an oath to support and defend the constitution. It's similar to the President's Oath of Office but it means nothing to him. He disrespects military service by calling us losers and suckers. He only cares for himself and said as much during one of his rallies. "I don't care about you, I only want your vote". I truly believe Trump is the greatest threat to our democracy since WWII.

 

[Lurker123]

Trump could do a great deal of damage by executive order and sadly the only checks would be through the courts. He also has immunity in the performance of any activity construed as job related. When he says "you won't have to vote for me again" he means he plans to stay in power. I don't understand how anyone can vote for a person who wants to throw out the constitution and states he will be a dictator from day one.

This could be said of any president, and had been said about all of them in recent memory.

I think the "he plans to stay in power" is unwarranted hysteria. Talk of being a dictator was rampant when Obama said something about ruling with a pen (executive order).

I get disagreeing with his policies, and I understand not liking him as a person, but I don't think it helps anyone to ratchet the rhetoric like that.

 

[uscwatson21]

So we're going to argue over the semantics of fraud or intent to deceive.

Okay. Not interested.

Literally the worst way to just avoid admitting you’re wrong. You’re just emphasizing you got something wrong.

You’re supposed to find something you’re slightly right about and stress that.

 

[Forever Fowl]

This could be said of any president, and had been said about all of them in recent memory.

I think the "he plans to stay in power" is unwarranted hysteria. Talk of being a dictator was rampant when Obama said something about ruling with a pen (executive order).

I get disagreeing with his policies, and I understand not liking him as a person, but I don't think it helps anyone to ratchet the rhetoric like that.

What other POTUS has stated they would be a dictator from day one?
What other POTUS has said I don't care about you, I just want your vote?
What other POTUS has called soldiers losers and suckers?
What other POTUS has said they want to have their own constitution.
What other POTUS has made fun of people with disabilities?
What other POTUS wanted to withdraw from NATO?
What other POTUS has said Putin's invasion of Ukraine was brilliant?
What other POTUS worshiped strong men dictators?
What other POTUS raped and defamed women?
What other POTUS has been convicted of felonies?
What other POTUS has stated they've never asked God for forgiveness because they've never done anything that required forgiveness?

If we love this country we need to speak out now before it's too late.

 

[Lurker123]

You’re supposed to find something you’re slightly right about and stress that.

Like how I told you exactly how you'd argue this one, and then you did?

Okay.

 

[Lurker123]

What other POTUS has stated they would be a dictator from day one?
What other POTUS has said I don't care about you, I just want your vote?
What other POTUS has called soldiers losers and suckers?
What other POTUS has said they want to have their own constitution.
What other POTUS has made fun of people with disabilities?
What other POTUS wanted to withdraw from NATO?
What other POTUS has said Putin's invasion of Ukraine was brilliant?
What other POTUS worshiped strong men dictators?
What other POTUS raped and defamed women?
What other POTUS has been convicted of felonies?
What other POTUS has stated they've never asked God for forgiveness because they've never done anything that required forgiveness?

If we love this country we need to speak out now before it's too late.

This is exactly what i meant about ratcheting up the rhetoric.

We have to stop escalating the frenzy to dictator/Hitler levels all the time. Pretty soon some nutjob will think an assassination is warranted.

 

[uscwatson21]

Like how I told you exactly how you'd argue this one, and then you did?

Okay.

No one is arguing semantics. That’s why you’re embarrassing yourself to keep repeating it.

 

[Ward Jr]

What other POTUS has stated they would be a dictator from day one?
What other POTUS has said I don't care about you, I just want your vote?
What other POTUS has called soldiers losers and suckers?
What other POTUS has said they want to have their own constitution.
What other POTUS has made fun of people with disabilities?
What other POTUS wanted to withdraw from NATO?
What other POTUS has said Putin's invasion of Ukraine was brilliant?
What other POTUS worshiped strong men dictators?
What other POTUS raped and defamed women?
What other POTUS has been convicted of felonies?
What other POTUS has stated they've never asked God for forgiveness because they've never done anything that required forgiveness?

If we love this country we need to speak out now before it's too late.

You might give DeeDave a run for his money on TDS.

You do understand Trump has already been President for 4 Years right?

Somehow you managed to survive.

The country was better off in almost every metric under Trump than it is today.

Relax.

 

[Ward Jr]

No one is arguing semantics. That’s why you’re embarrassing yourself to keep repeating it.

Watson - How many times are you going to use the same words over and over again?

Posters will use like "semantics" in their position and then you proceed to parrot the term until the end of time.

It's rather embarrassing for you.

 

[Lurker123]

No one is arguing semantics. That’s why you’re embarrassing yourself to keep repeating it.

Except you, who wants to argue whether what is going on fits the definition of fraud or deception.

But obviously, you just want to argue.

If you can't draw someone into arguing over semantics, you'll pivot and argue over the use of the word itself.

Just as long as you can keep arguing.

I'd reiterate that I'm not interested, but now you've got me curious how many pages you'll argue about what topic you're really arguing about.

 

[Forever Fowl]

You might give DeeDave a run for his money on TDS.

You do understand Trump has already been President for 4 Years right?

Somehow you managed to survive.

The country was better off in almost every metric under Trump than it is today.

Relax.

I survived but my brother along with one million other Americans did not. Trump has blood on his hands because he intentionally down played the pandemic claiming he didn't want to alarm the nation. You know that's true as you've heard his interview. You can't deny that our economy is currently the strongest in the world. Our unemployment is lower than anytime during Trump's administration. Our employment figures are far better than during Trump's term. It's amazing that we have more job openings than people to fill them. We are better off in terms of renewable energy. Since the first of January Windmills have produced more energy for two consecutive months than coal. We may soon become energy independent. Sure prices are up but so are wages. People are buying more and borrowing more which economist say is a sign of a heathy economy. Inflation has dropped and is projected to continue. Financially I'm much better off than during the Trump years thanks to our growing economy, investments, and interests rates.

We could lose it all if we elect an unhinged candidate with a diagnosed personality disorder. In my years at DMH I've worked with them and know the dangers. He's regressed in his behavior since 2020 and his mental state is not close to what it was in 2016. God forbid if elected they give him the nuclear launch codes.

 

[uscwatson21]

Watson - How many times are you going to use the same words over and over again?

Posters will use like "semantics" in their position and then you proceed to parrot the term until the end of time.

It's rather embarrassing for you.

Watson - How many times are you going to use the same words over and over again?

Posters will use like "semantics" in their position and then you proceed to parrot the term until the end of time.

It's rather embarrassing for you.

Now this is quality trolling.

 

[uscwatson21]

Except you, who wants to argue whether what is going on fits the definition of fraud or deception.

But obviously, you just want to argue.

If you can't draw someone into arguing over semantics, you'll pivot and argue over the use of the word itself.

Just as long as you can keep arguing.

I'd reiterate that I'm not interested, but now you've got me curious how many pages you'll argue about what topic you're really arguing about.

There are honestly times I can’t even comprehend how you’ve talked yourself into the circles you’ve talked yourself into.

They’re so nonsensical my brain can’t even begin to understand what you think you’re saying.

 

[Lurker123]

There are honestly times I can’t even comprehend how you’ve talked yourself into the circles you’ve talked yourself into.

They’re so nonsensical my brain can’t even begin to understand what you think you’re saying.

Petty insults. Your standard follow up when realizing you're wrong again. Is this the next few pages, or do we have a change in topic to try and divert?

 

[Ward Jr]

I survived but my brother along with one million other Americans did not. Trump has blood on his hands because he intentionally down played the pandemic claiming he didn't want to alarm the nation. You know that's true as you've heard his interview. You can't deny that our economy is currently the strongest in the world. Our unemployment is lower than anytime during Trump's administration. Our employment figures are far better than during Trump's term. It's amazing that we have more job openings than people to fill them. We are better off in terms of renewable energy. Since the first of January Windmills have produced more energy for two consecutive months than coal. We may soon become energy independent. Sure prices are up but so are wages. People are buying more and borrowing more which economist say is a sign of a heathy economy. Inflation has dropped and is projected to continue. Financially I'm much better off than during the Trump years thanks to our growing economy, investments, and interests rates.

We could lose it all if we elect an unhinged candidate with a diagnosed personality disorder. In my years at DMH I've worked with them and know the dangers. He's regressed in his behavior since 2020 and his mental state is not close to what it was in 2016. God forbid if elected they give him the nuclear launch codes.

1) So all of our intelligence communities and the FDA, NIH, etc have now admitted that our CIA/Military created the virus and you're mad at Trump? Do you remember Trump recommending HCQ, Ivermectin and antibody therapy? I do. That's also the medication that Fauci & Co. immediately started to block. As it turns out, these are the medications being used today to not only treat COVID, but also vaccine injuries. This is why people like Fauci and Welensky are gone. The shots are gone. And no one wants to talk about COVID in DC.

2) We have the strongest economy from a GDP standpoint and have for years on end. However, that's like you saying you make $500K a year but you're in debt $500 million and are suffocating from simply paying your interest on that debt. Have you not see the FED charts showing that we are spending more today on debt service than all of the military budget combined? The economy is not great and certainly not what is was pre-COVID. Have you not seen the Biden adminstration getting busted week after week for fake numbers? I posted some of that just today. Our GDP will not bail us out of this debt explosion even if we eliminated every ounce of discretionary spending.

3) Windmills? You can't be serious.

4) Read independent journalism. Many great ones on Substack who actually care about the truth. You can choose your party flavor too if that's important to you.

 

[uscwatson21]

do we have a change in topic to try and divert?

Isn't that exactly what you're doing?

DeeDave and myself have both explained how SS isn't a Ponzi scheme. That means you were wrong, so instead of addressing being wrong you're on this weird "semantics" tangent?

 

[Ward Jr]

Isn't that exactly what you're doing?

DeeDave and myself have both explained how SS isn't a Ponzi scheme. That means you were wrong, so instead of addressing being wrong you're on this weird "semantics" tangent?

This is all troll Watson. Go to bed. You're ill.

 

[Lurker123]

Isn't that exactly what you're doing?

Of course not. But you know that.

You seem very frustrated. Does it bother you more that I called your little troll before you tried it? Or that I've since laughed off your pathetic insults?

 

[uscwatson21]

Of course not. But you know that.

You seem very frustrated. Does it bother you more that I called your little troll before you tried it? Or that I've since laughed off your pathetic insults?

I am admittedly frustrated that you don't understand the words you're saying.

I would like to think most people go through life operating in good faith but it doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[Lurker123]

I am admittedly frustrated that you don't understand the words you're saying.

I would like to think most people go through life operating in good faith but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Interesting. And how does that make you feel? Does it bring up those buried feelings of abandonment from your father?

 

[gamecock stock]

I survived but my brother along with one million other Americans did not. Trump has blood on his hands because he intentionally down played the pandemic claiming he didn't want to alarm the nation. You know that's true as you've heard his interview. You can't deny that our economy is currently the strongest in the world. Our unemployment is lower than anytime during Trump's administration. Our employment figures are far better than during Trump's term. It's amazing that we have more job openings than people to fill them. We are better off in terms of renewable energy. Since the first of January Windmills have produced more energy for two consecutive months than coal. We may soon become energy independent. Sure prices are up but so are wages. People are buying more and borrowing more which economist say is a sign of a heathy economy. Inflation has dropped and is projected to continue. Financially I'm much better off than during the Trump years thanks to our growing economy, investments, and interests rates.

We could lose it all if we elect an unhinged candidate with a diagnosed personality disorder. In my years at DMH I've worked with them and know the dangers. He's regressed in his behavior since 2020 and his mental state is not close to what it was in 2016. God forbid if elected they give him the nuclear launch codes.

FF, first of all I am really sorry to hear that about your brother. That had to be tough to go through. I can only imagine.

To what you said, I want to add that the stock market is about 51 % higher than it was in January 2021, much higher than at any time under Trump. And the market is less than 9/10 of 1% from an all time high.

 

[gamecock stock]

I survived but my brother along with one million other Americans did not. Trump has blood on his hands because he intentionally down played the pandemic claiming he didn't want to alarm the nation. You know that's true as you've heard his interview. You can't deny that our economy is currently the strongest in the world. Our unemployment is lower than anytime during Trump's administration. Our employment figures are far better than during Trump's term. It's amazing that we have more job openings than people to fill them. We are better off in terms of renewable energy. Since the first of January Windmills have produced more energy for two consecutive months than coal. We may soon become energy independent. Sure prices are up but so are wages. People are buying more and borrowing more which economist say is a sign of a heathy economy. Inflation has dropped and is projected to continue. Financially I'm much better off than during the Trump years thanks to our growing economy, investments, and interests rates.

We could lose it all if we elect an unhinged candidate with a diagnosed personality disorder. In my years at DMH I've worked with them and know the dangers. He's regressed in his behavior since 2020 and his mental state is not close to what it was in 2016. God forbid if elected they give him the nuclear launch codes.

There are other positives you left out. One that can not be underestimated is the infrastructure law that Biden got passed. It was "infrastructure week" all the time under Trump. But Biden got it done. It is to future generations, your children and grandchildren, what Ike's Interstate Highway system was to me and others traveling to and from Carolina back to home. Thankfully, I did not have to travel the secondary roads.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

There are other positives you left out. One that can not be underestimated is the infrastructure law that Biden got passed. It was "infrastructure week" all the time under Trump. But Biden got it done. It is to future generations, your children and grandchildren, what Ike's Interstate Highway system was to me and others traveling to and from Carolina back to home. Thankfully, I did not have to travel the secondary roads.

Just like the inflation that came along with it. Most will be wasted, just like the stupid bill Obama passed right after getting into office. Nothing but a payoff to their big supporters and donors.

I mean, $7.5 billion and years later, only 8 charging stations. Biden/Harris are morons.

$7.5 Billion in Federal Funds Yield Only 8 EV Charging Stations​

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60702457/federal-funds-yield-only-8-ev-charging-stations/

 

[uscwatson21]

Interesting. And how does that make you feel? Does it bring up those buried feelings of abandonment from your father?

Now you're attacking single moms. Letting out that hatred of women recently.

 

[Lurker123]

Now you're attacking single moms. Letting out that hatred of women recently.

So you're feeling upset? Is that why all the lashing out and teen girl drama?

I take it your mom tried to protect you and never told you that you were the reason he left?

 

[Lurker123]

There are other positives you left out. One that can not be underestimated is the infrastructure law that Biden got passed. It was "infrastructure week" all the time under Trump. But Biden got it done.

What bothers me about bills like that one are the fact that we use "infrastructure" to sell the bill, but how much of it was really about infrastructure?

Depending on your source, it was a pittance to 50 or so percent.

Even on the good side, there was just a lot of other garbage. This is not unique to this bill or this administration, but it's frustrating.

Basically, too much pork.

 

[Lurker123]

Just like the inflation that came along with it. Most will be wasted, just like the stupid bill Obama passed right after getting into office. Nothing but a payoff to their big supporters and donors.

I mean, $7.5 billion and years later, only 8 charging stations. Biden/Harris are morons.

$7.5 Billion in Federal Funds Yield Only 8 EV Charging Stations​

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60702457/federal-funds-yield-only-8-ev-charging-stations/

To be fair, I think they got a 9th up and running.