John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans
Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.
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I had the same experience at then Fort Benning when I volunteered for the Army. They just randomly injected us with vaccines without even saying what they were.
Not a single Soldier complained. That’s why I had so little respect for the Soldiers who refused the covid vaccines. To no surprise, when I got into a combat zone the Soldiers who refused the vaccines were the ones most afraid.
You probably also missed Trump's comments regarding John McCain ( heroes don't get captured ) or his request not to have disabled vets in the V Day parade ( he said "because it doesn't look good" ) How bout his comment about 4 draft deferments with his battle on the home front avoiding an STD?John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans
Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.
I was dropping off my daughter at school this morning and flipped the radio by Fox News. The sympathetic host was asking Trump what he'd specifically do for crime in Chicago as President "on day one"
He replied
1) His first solution was talking about how Chicago use to be great and how he even built a building there a long time ago- and it was a great building- one of the best ever.
2) Then he mentioned stop and frisk and "you got to stop and frisk" (Something the federal government has no role in at all in any city). Something Chicago has a long, troubled history with anyway. He added "you got to get the guns.
That's a hell of a solution there.
Typical Trump non-answers.
Like in tuskagee, or the ww2 mustard gas experiments?
The truth is in the middle. You can't blindly trust our government, it has proven it's not worthy. You also can't question everything, you get analysis paralysis.
After my first two shots ( before boosters were available ) I had a mild case which was nothing compared to the flu. I have since taken every booster when offered and have been exposed several times but never developed another case. I'll be 80 in March. How many booster shots have you had? If you weren't fortunate enough to get the right booster for the right stain that might explain repeated bouts. But the good news is that future bouts should be less severe.
I don't think it's wise to "blindly" trust anything, not just government. It's a good idea not to blindly trust private business, or a friend, or any politician.
Or someone who wants to blame the government for everything
and never trust a talk show host on radio or tv.
I just got my 2nd Shingles vaccine about a month ago. Felt fine the first day after my 2nd shot. The next day I didn't feel that great- but not enough to stop anything I wanted to do, only felt about 70%.
BINGO. I'm on a pay Elliott Wave investment site. There are some very knowledgeable members. One has worked many years in the oil industry. A lot of folks follow him on that site regarding energy investments. I have followed him some. But many do whatever he says in that sector. He has been wrong at times. Yet they follow him all the way. I don't understand that. But people are people.
I got my shingles and shingrix vaccines awhile back. But I need to get updated on covid and get my flu shots. My parents had me be vaccinated when I was a kid. I'm still ticking, many decades later. I will never understand the opposition. I got covid a year or so ago. A DHEC employee called me to see how I was doing. I said "fine". She asked did I have to be hospitalized. I said "no". She asked if I had gotten the covid shot. I told her I did. She said that's why I did not need to be hospitalized. A friend I know is VERY anti-vac. He got covid and could barely walk into the hospital. He was hospitalized 12 days and barely survived. He is still anti-vac and anti-Democratic party. As the old adage goes: "You can't fix 'stupid'".
The military gives you no choice but to trust authority which is your chain of command. In my old army days of the 60's and 70's we rarely questioned anything. Our superiors were blindly obeyed. The US Army ( a good example of socialism at work ) is the government as the POTUS is commander in chief. But thank the good Lord for General Milley's efforts during and after the insurrection.
When Harris wins we are likely to see entire brigades guarding the capitol during the certification process.
There was a fairly well known upstate SC anti-vax guy who died from Covid. His social media history showed he made fun of people who took it seriously in very crude ways. He was a real barn-burner on social media. It attacked his lungs and he died in about a month.
His wife also got Covid and was hospitalized.
John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans
Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.
Total bullshit. He did "confirm" anything. Just repeated the Dem talking point from a left wing rag The Atlantic and their unnamed sources. In fact, he made it very clear that his thoughts were not his own. “What can I add that has not already been said?” then "A person who this and a person who that" list and then “There is nothing more that can be said."
If he would have heard Trump say that, he would have said "I was there. I hear him say that." But he didn't, because nobody did. Because the is ZERO proof he ever said that. Just "sources". Kelly chose his words carefully for a reason. He didn't hear shit because nobody heard it because nobody ever said it. Just the type left repeating a sourceless lie over and over hoping to make it the truth.
That's certainly the case in the military which my post was about. You would know that had you served.
Truth is hard to accept when it smacks you in the face. In your mind there's always the "Total BS" response when you have nothing else to offer.
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John Kelly said Trump turned towards him on Memorial Day at Arlington National Cemetery in 2017 and said “I don’t get it, what’s in it for them”.
(Pretty damn nutty thing to say)
He also told how Trump insulted former Senator John McCain and former president George Bush because they are veterans and were shot down during Vietnam and World War II respectively.
(Trump famously said about McCain "He’s not a war hero. I like people that weren’t captured.") Later the same day, Trump retweeted a post that said McCain was a loser.
He added, Trump did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because it didn’t look good for him.
Last week, Trump, in a bizarre rant, described how he considered the Presidential Medal of Freedom "Much better" than the Medal of Honor.
"[The] civilian version, it’s actually much better because everyone [who] gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. “She gets it, and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman,” he added, referring to the 78 year old Adelson
If Trump promises a job for Kennedy for his endorsement he'll have to put up with all the anti-vac propaganda. If so I wonder if Trump will still claim credit for the COVID vaccine? I understand Kennedy called Harris first but she didn't return his call.
Well, that's certainly an assumption.
My comment was originally about this from you though, which I quoted.
"You will go much further in life if can learn to be more trusting of others and rid yourself of paranoid feelings regarding institutions and authority figures. No one is out to get you my friend."
You can understand where that doesn't read like a comment based solely on the military? After that you said that the military gives you no choice, which does narrow it down. I would refer back to the tuskagee and mustard gas experiments as examples where that blind trust is not earned then.
But I understand your thoughts. It's an opinion I don't share, and I think we can leave it at that.
The Atlantic — really?? That publication was the top one that pounded away at the Russian dossier hoax. There’s a reason Kelly was fired — everyone in uniform at the time knew he firmly disagreed and disobeyed Trump by not revealing what he was actually doing to the military. Kelly, like all libs, interpreted Trump’s actual words the way he wanted to.John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans
Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.
That was not the post you responded to. I maintain we should accept others at face value and trust them until they prove otherwise. If you take a job with a new company would you enter employment with a sense of distrust? Of course not.
The US ranks #3 in murders. Remove the five cities below and we rank #189.
All have zero gun laws. All run by Democrats.
- Chicago
- Detroit
- Philadelphia
- Los Angeles
- St. Louis
Wasn't this what Barack promised to fix? He fixed his bank account that that was about it.
That post came from NBC which you should automatically distrust like all the other mainstream medias. Am I right in the way you see it?
If any of this was true, why does Pharma refuse to back their vaccine products in terms of liability?
They are making a fortune off of them. Don't you think it makes sense they should back them too?
You might want to dig into the actual facts on vaccines throughout history.
Just because the people who produced them told you they did something special doesn't mean it actually happened.
Vaccines are inherently dangerous and Pharma knows this.
The guns brought into those cities are from states like South Carolina. The mass shooting in Florida a few weeks ago was with an assault rife from Palmetto State Arms.
John Kelly, a Marine General, a liberal?
Why would Donald Trump choose a liberal to lead the Dept of Homeland Security and then promote him to be his chief of staff? What specific evidence in Kelly's tenure indicates he was a liberal? Why would Trump keep such a liberal around to be a close advisor?
That doesn't make any sense at all.
Is it beyond your capability to believe that Donald Trump said exactly what John Kelly said he said? Trump has a long history of disparaging everyone- John McCain is the most obvious one that comes to mind where he directly disparaged his military service
It's not as if Trump doesn't say some really disgusting things on a fairly regular basis about other people. Just last week he was saying a presidential civilian award was better than the Medal of Honor. There seems to be a pretty consistent pattern from Trump.
Given Kelly's own son got killed in war, maybe Kelly just doesn't put up with any of Trump's negative comments about those that serve in the military.
Your point?
The criminals go get guns from other locations.
An even worse scenario for law abiding citizens in these cities who don't have access.
Son, I can't help you with the motives of others. I can only encourage you to take vaccines like millions of Americans do and trust in their proven efficacy. Sometimes people are their own worst enemy.
So that's your answer? You can't explain why they won't insure them so you write something like this?
Live in your fantasy world on this topic if you want to.
The reality is that the vaccines didn't do a thing and damaged many people.
This is why the program was killed and all of the people who pushed the toxic jab are gone.
Post number 1085, at 8:25 this morning. It is exactly the post I replied to, and quoted. We had a couple replies since then though.
I get the notion of trusting until someone proves otherwise, but I strongly believe there is an issue with absolute blind trust.
As for a new company, or any other situation, I would enter with caution and my eyes wide open. One doesn't have to look too far to find malice in our fellow man. Or openness for that matter. There should be no issue in being prepared for both
I get your opinion, I simply disagree.
Yes, I think some studies have been done about where guns come from in Chicago. There is a pretty big illegal gun trade that gets weapons to Chicago, especially from southern states.
Mississippi has pretty consistently had the highest murder rate of any state in the country.
Let's see that data Gomer.
Show us where guns are coming from the Southern States to Chicago at a higher clip than other places.
A nation wide ban on assault rifles would help as they would no longer be produced to smuggle into those cities. Strict background checks would impact the number of guns on the market. In SC you can legally buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. Do you see how easy it would be to transport those guns to those cities for re-sale? You can even order parts for a gun online and build one that's not traceable. Ever wonder why there's not gun crime in England?
Ha. Have you seen the UK lately? That's a terrible example. Their citizens would love to be able to defend themselves right now. Same with Aussies.
If you want to succeed in life a "guarded approach" is usually not the best answer. Being reserved and guarded in the work place means you're not a joiner. That would be a quality that wouldn't get you fired but might mean you would miss a chance for advancement or at a supervisor opening. My brother missed tenure at Clemson because he refused to attend faculty parties.
I doubt anyone will change their mind. But I disagree on banning "assault rifles" as it's a half measure. There are other rifles that are functionally the same, but not cosmetically the same. People will just move to the next model rifle or pistol, and then we'll have to move to ban the next thing. (And that's even if you accept that "assault rifles" are the issue when handgun violence is much worse.)
We can also point to our immediate neighbors to the south where gun violence is rampant where guns are basically banned. There's always an example to prove or disproves our notions.
In truth though, this discussion has happened many times over the years on this board and others. And it generally boils down to the same talking points, and then degrades into name calling.
Oh well.
It's a false flag. Progressives don't want real Law and Order in their cities. Otherwise, their policies would reflect that.
Again, that is a very valid opinion, I just don't share it.
A guarded approach means you don't end up losing your life savings to that prince in Nigeria, or that phishing email that will clean you out.
I am not advocating trusting no one. I'm just saying a more balanced, healthy skepticism can be a good thing.
I understand you don't agree.
