For discussion: Has Dabo moved ahead of Spurrier

[PalmettoG27]

If he wins more Conference and National Championships he has a case. On another hand Spurrier’s Gamecock teams have many more wins against Dabo’s Clemson teams..... Spurrier for the most part took Dabo to the woodshed when they stood on opposite sides of the field. The only time Clemson beat SC during Spurrier’s tenure was 2014 and 2015 I think. This is no excuse because a win is a win and a loss is a loss. But we all know Spurrier had pretty much hung it up well before the end of his tenure.

Love Dabo or hate Dabo he is one of the most successful Coaches right now at Clemson. I think he has won legend status locally but not Nationally....... Yet..... He is at a peak in his career right now and could become one of the greats if he keeps up what he is doing.

 

[Hungryneck]

in coaching hierarchy?
If not what more does he need to do to move ahead?
Can he ever move ahead?

He can never more ahead. Dabo is the CEO/administrator of clemzen's football program and #1 recruiter. Spurrier was a football coach.

 

[Hungryneck]

I always remember Bobby Bowden said it's easier to win a National Championship in the ACC than the SEC. But Bobby would play Miami and Florida every year when both were powerhouses.

You need to go back and look at FSU's schedule from the 70's & 80's when FSU made their reputation. They played tons of cupcakes sprinkled with 2-3 P5 programs. FL didn't get real good until the 90's. In '92 FSU began play in the ACC. Their play anybody anywhere is really a just a marketing ploy and their tough scheduling is just a myth. In the 80's some of their big games were against the gamecocks.

 

[DeepfriedCock]

You need to go back and look at FSU's schedule from the 70's & 80's when FSU made their reputation. They played tons of cupcakes sprinkled with 2-3 P5 programs. FL didn't get real good until the 90's. In '92 FSU began play in the ACC. Their play anybody anywhere is really a just a marketing ploy and their tough scheduling is just a myth. In the 80's some of their big games were against the gamecocks.

I have to disagree, they were really good in the 80s. For a independent, the schedule they was playing was just as tough as anybodies. Playing Miami and Nebraska in the same year. Is downright impressive, probably the 2 most winningest programs in the 80s.

 

[DarkCock]

You need to go back and look at FSU's schedule from the 70's & 80's when FSU made their reputation. They played tons of cupcakes sprinkled with 2-3 P5 programs. FL didn't get real good until the 90's. In '92 FSU began play in the ACC. Their play anybody anywhere is really a just a marketing ploy and their tough scheduling is just a myth. In the 80's some of their big games were against the gamecocks.

They were an independent, so their options were limited. They played Nebraska on the road in 81 and Ohio St in 81 & 82. I don't believe they got a return home game against either opponent.

 

[Neanderthal]

Spurrier quit. A quitter.
South Carolina prep football is not what it used to be, talent-wise.

 

[saltlifeGamecock]

And they are not flash in the pan successes (Auburn with Cam, FSU with Winston). He has built a machine that reloads and that has contended every year since there has been a BCS. He will go down as one of the best CEO style coaches ever (and that's not to detract one bit from his accomplishment), but he will never have the on-the-field-heat-of-moment football instinct skill of Spurrier. HBC has to be the best play caller ever (although Kiffin seems to have that knack as well and may challenge). And HBC was an innovator. He really changed college football with the fun and gun. To me that puts him in a different class of coaches. And when Spurrier was dominant at Florida, things were more competitive than they seem to be these days (just my impression). Those Florida/FSU battles were something. Maybe it's because I was younger and cared more, but football seemed funner back then. Winning the SEC was a helluva task. Had there been a BCS back then, he might have won more Nattys. But in terms of sustained program building, Dabo may eclipse him. I have never seen anyone outright embarrass Alabama the way Clemson did a couple of years back. Hey, give the Devil his due

No, HE hasnt. Venables, Elliot, and his coaches and assistants have. He meets, listens, get his rah rah marching orders and goes Uncle Dan the AD who carries out the machines requirements. Dabo is and was a salesman. He sold himself and learned to hire people around him that were good at what they did. He just gets Dan to help him raise the money needed.

 

[Judson1]

All I know is I’d hate to think of Spurrier at Clemson for the last 20 years.
No denying Dabo’s success but the man does have the best situation in CFB.

 

[budman1976]

Um you do realize that Clemson is only this good because they have both their Clemson players and players that would be Ganecocks if we had a consistent program - they are getting most of the talent in the state. Imagine is there was no Miami or UF and Florida State was the only university with a football program in Florida they would win a Championship every year. When we get back to winning and getting 5 stars they will be a top 3 acc team but will never see a Championship or college playoff again.

Clemson only goes after the high profile players in this state. They realized around 2015 that just relying on this states talent wasn't going to get you anywhere each year. Thats when they pushed the Clemson narrative nation wide and has had great success now recruiting any state and have become a national brand.

 

[WildWater]

Um you do realize that Clemson is only this good because they have both their Clemson players and players that would be Ganecocks if we had a consistent program - they are getting most of the talent in the state. Imagine is there was no Miami or UF and Florida State was the only university with a football program in Florida they would win a Championship every year. When we get back to winning and getting 5 stars they will be a top 3 acc team but will never see a Championship or college playoff again.

.....****ing delusional bud. The way you guys try to find anyway to compare us to one of the greatest CFB runs in history is sad

 

[Snake006]

Hell No. SOS won in the ACC coaching Duke

 

[colt seavers]

Nah. Spurrier is one of a kind.

 

[hillstosea]

Nah. Spurrier is one of a kind.

Sure is. Quitting on his team (without being pressured) in the middle of the season is one of a kind

 

[GamecockNYSC]

.....****ing delusional bud. The way you guys try to find anyway to compare us to one of the greatest CFB runs in history is sad

You guys are talking all this 5 star after they got good when spurrier left they weren’t always getting Alambama talent it was coming from the southeast until they started getting top rankings

 

[ghostofpepsicock]

No, HE hasnt. Venables, Elliot, and his coaches and assistants have. He meets, listens, get his rah rah marching orders and goes Uncle Dan the AD who carries out the machines requirements. Dabo is and was a salesman. He sold himself and learned to hire people around him that were good at what they did. He just gets Dan to help him raise the money needed.

Anyone who thinks Dabo is just a rah rah guy is delusional. The guy is a visionary and is able to articulate it in a way that gets full buy-in. He understands culture and how to build/maintain it. It took him many years to build what he has. I guarantee that he already has a list for his next coordinators and will not be caught off guard when he needs to make a hire.

We can hope to have caught lightning in a bottle with SB. I want to hear him detail his vision for the culture he wants here. That’s how you “sell” your program to recruits/parents/boosters/students and quality coordinators.

 

[midline]

As for the original thread, it depends on what one is judging them. Spurrier was successful on the field, but think he is as beloved for his quirky personality. From pure success on the field Dabo has two national championships, Spurrier has one. And one figures with the way they are recruiting that Dabo will win another one along the way. Personality wise, I think Dabo is a bit of a fraud, but one can't deny that whatever he is doing is working at an elite level.

 

[philmuleSC]

Um you do realize that Clemson is only this good because they have both their Clemson players and players that would be Ganecocks if we had a consistent program - they are getting most of the talent in the state. Imagine is there was no Miami or UF and Florida State was the only university with a football program in Florida they would win a Championship every year. When we get back to winning and getting 5 stars they will be a top 3 acc team but will never see a Championship or college playoff again.

Clemson is getting talent from California, Tenn, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Ohio, etc. In state recruiting of SC means nothing on the national level.

 

[CtownNat1ve]

They got to the playoff because they were in the ACC one year we finished #4 and over Clemson and didn’t get to the playoffs it’s the conference and we had definitely had more stars. That’s my point Dabo built a winning program because the ACC WAS WEAK AND SC WAS WEAK. Now watch now that VT coming back Notre Dame is balling and NC is playing tough and SC is back with Beams it’s not going to be the same mark my words. The. They will start talking about how the program fell off like Nebraska and Michigan

I don’t even know where to start with this non sense.

 

[gr8spur]

in coaching hierarchy?
If not what more does he need to do to move ahead?
Can he ever move ahead?

1. no
2. coach in a real football conference (Spurrier won even at Duke, in the a she she)
3. no

 

[The Doctors Back]

Um you do realize that Clemson is only this good because they have both their Clemson players and players that would be Ganecocks if we had a consistent program - they are getting most of the talent in the state. Imagine is there was no Miami or UF and Florida State was the only university with a football program in Florida they would win a Championship every year. When we get back to winning and getting 5 stars they will be a top 3 acc team but will never see a Championship or college playoff again.

IMO that’s the most ridiculous statement of the week. Clemson isn’t at the pinnacle of college football because UofSC allowed it. This is classic example of a delusion of granduer.😂