This is sensible.Without any doubt both QBs will play this year. Our offensive line is average at best.
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This is sensible.Without any doubt both QBs will play this year. Our offensive line is average at best.
please tell me you have inside information verifying this insane commentGimpy McHill transferred here b/c he knew he wouldn't get the starting gig at CSU with the new coach. His only chance was to follow Bobo here. Bobo wants "his" guy in there, so that's who we're stuck with. Bobo's first major decision is a flop. Not a good sign for the offense this season. The decision was certainly made based on loyalty...just to the wrong guy.
well that just proves how much you really know. this year wont count against anybody this year so you can play and not lose any eligibilityRemember when Sparky Woods came here and brought his transfer QB with him? Same kind of situation. After he was named OC, Bobo probably guaranteed the kid would be the starter if he would transfer. Not surprised at all. Hilinsky should go ahead and take his redshirt year now.
For Ryan's sake, I hope he transfers. This staff is toxic to QBs. He deserves better...much better.
You don't have to be able to run to extend plays. The problem for any QB at SC this year is lack of a true playmaker at RB or WR. Someone is going to have to grow up fast.Neither one is mobile enough to extend plays and that’s a must in today’s game
Burrow wasnt that type QB if i remember correctly.. You need to Just be able to move around a little, and his Transfer "Situation" worked out pretty well...Neither one is mobile enough to extend plays and that’s a must in today’s game
His reputation is conservative as a play caller. His comments during the QB battle have led me to believe that he’s going to be even more conservative as a play caller.Sincerely asking: what did you read or hear that makes you think he's going to be super conservative?
Dude ran a 23 yd TD in the NFL. You don't get that far with no wheels.Burrow wasnt that type QB if i remember correctly.. You need to Just be able to move around a little, and his Transfer "Situation" worked out pretty well...
He averaged 3 yards carry at LSU, the two QB's in question arent palying in the NFLDude ran a 23 yd TD in the NFL. You don't get that far with no wheels.
We're not talking about rushing numbers, I was illustrating that he has speed, and obviously he can run to extend plays if he has that kind of speed.He averaged 3 yards carry at LSU, the two QB's in question arent palying in the NFL
“Why is this definitely a bad decision?”I guess I'm out of touch with a large portion of my fellow gamecocks. Why is this definitely a bad decision? Shouldn't we want the guy in there who has enough talent to play FBS ball and knows the new offense like the back of his hand? I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Hill or Hilinski and would be fine with either of them in the game.
NO player should ever feel as though they are OWED a starting spot or even playing time, and that goes for QBs as well. The fact of the matter is that Hilinski was a big-time recruit, and many within our fanbase seem to think that is enough to earn him the starting job. I disagree with that mentality. Once a recruit transitions to being a member of the squad, they are on the same starting line as everyone else. And so what if Hilinski had to be baptized by fire last year. It was TRULY unfortunate for him and the rest of the team, but that still doesn't mean he or any other player on the team who had to play before they were ready should just be gifted a starting job or increased playing time as a way to say thanks.
I’m all for open competition but the thing everyone seems to be overlooking is what it means for the state of our program that a guy with three knee surgeries and no P5 offers is beating out a highly recruited QB in year 5 of the Will Muschamp era. I don’t know if it’s all poor coaching or poor evaluation but Muschamp’s history with QBs has been abysmal in both stops and is downright embarrassing here.“Why is this definitely a bad decision?”
It is not. Many of the fans on this board are just upset because they thought the fact Hilinsky started some games last year meant he was guaranteed to be our starter this year. Fair competition and trust in our coaches has been overridden by negativity and hysterics as per usual.
A few things to consider:
1- “Hill will start VS UT” is all that was announced. Nobody said “Ryan will never play”, nobody said “RH sucks, we hope he transfers” or that “all our hopes for a hood year are tied to Hill”... That is how the reactionary idiots causing the uproar have framed it though.
2- RH never showed he had any firm grasp on the starting role last year- struggled every game except Chas Southern, never caught up to D1 college FB “speed of the game”, and was simply played before he was ready, and Went 4-7 as a starter for us. What about his performance last year lead anyone to think he was guaranteed to be the starter here?
3- Hill played well when healthy. Not Heisman trophy well- but he is smart, experienced and throws a good deep ball. There is no shame
In opting for the guy who gives us the most experience with the offense especially for the first game of the year.
This was the only option that made sense to me from the start. I have no clue why anyone is surprised by it or upset by it... They picked the guy who gives us the best chance to win NOW.
I agree with some of your points. Hilinski had his ups and downs last season. I still believe he’s extremely talented and I hope he does great things here . I have my own opinion about some of the other qbs that have played/transferred/ changed positions here recently. Brandon McIlwain was never gonna be a great college Qb at this level. He wasn’t here, nor at Cal. Jay Urich seems to be a great kid, and a good qb . I watched him play in high school. His hs team is a conference rival of my high school team. Dakereon Joyner is one heck of an athlete and football player. I’m not sure either of those guys were given every opportunity to be successful here as qb. Jake Bentley was. He was injured last year, and chose to transfer out west to finish his college career. I wish him all the best.I’m all for open competition but the thing everyone seems to be overlooking is what it means for the state of our program that a guy with three knee surgeries and no P5 offers is beating out a highly recruited QB in year 5 of the Will Muschamp era. I don’t know if it’s all poor coaching or poor evaluation but Muschamp’s history with QBs has been abysmal in both stops and is downright embarrassing here.
While I agree he had to play before he was ready Hilinski did not struggle in every game. He absolutely had times where he could have played better but he also had times where he displayed why he was highly recruited. It’s also fascinating that he is knocked for going 4-7 in the SEC as a true freshman but a guy who was 3-9 in the Mountain West is a plus.
What indicated that Hill played well? How many Colorado State games did you watch? Are you just basing this on his overall stats or did you actually look at the competition he was playing against and how he performed against teams with winning records?
Again year 5 and we’ve supplied a QB to Cal who is now playing for the Mets, a QB to Utah, 3 WRs and now a backup QB to a guy that struggled against the Mountain West. I agree that based on Muschamp’s track record no one should be surprised.
I absolutely expect we will see Hilinski play this season as there is no way the bionic knee survives behind a Wolford oline.
Exactly...alot of fans forget about the 10 other guys on the field. Football is the ultimate team sport. The best jockey in the world isn't gonna win the Kentucky Derby riding a Jackass.Exactly !! Honestly if Connor Shaw was here he couldn’t win with the pieces around him now . Hell Peyton or Archie Manning couldn’t win with the absolute void of playmakers we have . It doesn’t matter . This is gonna be a long year folks
Remember when Sparky Woods came here and brought his transfer QB with him? Same kind of situation. After he was named OC, Bobo probably guaranteed the kid would be the starter if he would transfer. Not surprised at all. Hilinsky should go ahead and take his redshirt year now.
Dizzy at some point, we are either going to have to trust the Bobo hire and development, or we need to cut bait from Muschamp and staff.
Do I think Hill is all SEC caliber? Nope. But I believe he will be asked to not lose us games, get us in the right plays, and manage the game and chains. I think he'll be better than Ryan showed the last 60% of the year.
Unfortunately our most likely outcome is watch the offense continue to flounder and wait for the next OC that Muschamp hires to finally be the right one.
Really? Do you hope Gunner decommits too?
I thought that when he hired BMac. The common perception then was that he had to hire a proven, innovative OC.Champ won’t be hiring another OC, these two are riding together into either greatness or the unemployment line.
Yes sir. Here we are. The next two seasons will tell u if Bobo is proven and innovative.I thought that when he hired BMac. The common perception then was that he had to hire a proven, innovative OC.
Yet here we are.
So how many years has Bobo been our OC ?When he sees the gross QB mismanagement that goes on here, that may just happen.
you gotta remenber that these same guys bitched and whined that jake did keep his job even though nobody behind him could do better.. now they bitchin and whining that ryan isnt keeping his job..aint life fickle?“Why is this definitely a bad decision?”
It is not. Many of the fans on this board are just upset because they thought the fact Hilinsky started some games last year meant he was guaranteed to be our starter this year. Fair competition and trust in our coaches has been overridden by negativity and hysterics as per usual.
A few things to consider:
1- “Hill will start VS UT” is all that was announced. Nobody said “Ryan will never play”, nobody said “RH sucks, we hope he transfers” or that “all our hopes for a hood year are tied to Hill”... That is how the reactionary idiots causing the uproar have framed it though.
2- RH never showed he had any firm grasp on the starting role last year- struggled every game except Chas Southern, never caught up to D1 college FB “speed of the game”, and was simply played before he was ready, and Went 4-7 as a starter for us. What about his performance last year lead anyone to think he was guaranteed to be the starter here?
3- Hill played well when healthy. Not Heisman trophy well- but he is smart, experienced and throws a good deep ball. There is no shame
In opting for the guy who gives us the most experience with the offense especially for the first game of the year.
This was the only option that made sense to me from the start. I have no clue why anyone is surprised by it or upset by it... They picked the guy who gives us the best chance to win NOW.
so are you insinuating they are just picking Hill because they like him better and not because he outperformed Ryan? makes senseI’m all for open competition but the thing everyone seems to be overlooking is what it means for the state of our program that a guy with three knee surgeries and no P5 offers is beating out a highly recruited QB in year 5 of the Will Muschamp era. I don’t know if it’s all poor coaching or poor evaluation but Muschamp’s history with QBs has been abysmal in both stops and is downright embarrassing here.
While I agree he had to play before he was ready Hilinski did not struggle in every game. He absolutely had times where he could have played better but he also had times where he displayed why he was highly recruited. It’s also fascinating that he is knocked for going 4-7 in the SEC as a true freshman but a guy who was 3-9 in the Mountain West is a plus.
What indicated that Hill played well? How many Colorado State games did you watch? Are you just basing this on his overall stats or did you actually look at the competition he was playing against and how he performed against teams with winning records?
Again year 5 and we’ve supplied a QB to Cal who is now playing for the Mets, a QB to Utah, 3 WRs and now a backup QB to a guy that struggled against the Mountain West. I agree that based on Muschamp’s track record no one should be surprised.
I absolutely expect we will see Hilinski play this season as there is no way the bionic knee survives behind a Wolford oline.
True, but keep in mind that Muchamp had to hire an OC a couple of years ago in order to “keep his job” and he promotes an unproven from within. I have no faith that Muschamp makes good decisions. Much the same way as when we get a marginal recruit and everyone says “I trust Muschamps evaluation more than stars.”I find it hard to believe Muschamp and Bobo would pick a QB who wasn't playing better to start...especially when they are coaching to keep their jobs. I'm thinking Hill has a short leach. I can't remember the last time when the first game of the year is do or die, which IMO the Tenn game is. This is a must win for the Cocks in order to have a successful season. You lose to Tenn and we are staring down a 3-7 season...and no one keeps their job after that.
No insinuation at all. Bobo and Muschamp both said that the competition was even and this isn’t the first time Bobo has brought along a QB to his new job. Personally I don’t think any QB would make a difference with this team. Unless some guys have record level development there isn’t anything around them.so are you insinuating they are just picking Hill because they like him better and not because he outperformed Ryan? makes sense
No insinuation at all. Bobo and Muschamp both said that the competition was even and this isn’t the first time Bobo has brought along a QB to his new job. Personally I don’t think any QB would make a difference with this team. Unless some guys have record level development there isn’t anything around them.
Why should I trust our coaches? I want to, but I need a reason because all I have so far are reasons not to trust them.“Why is this definitely a bad decision?”
It is not. Many of the fans on this board are just upset because they thought the fact Hilinsky started some games last year meant he was guaranteed to be our starter this year. Fair competition and trust in our coaches has been overridden by negativity and hysterics as per usual.
A few things to consider:
1- “Hill will start VS UT” is all that was announced. Nobody said “Ryan will never play”, nobody said “RH sucks, we hope he transfers” or that “all our hopes for a hood year are tied to Hill”... That is how the reactionary idiots causing the uproar have framed it though.
2- RH never showed he had any firm grasp on the starting role last year- struggled every game except Chas Southern, never caught up to D1 college FB “speed of the game”, and was simply played before he was ready, and Went 4-7 as a starter for us. What about his performance last year lead anyone to think he was guaranteed to be the starter here?
3- Hill played well when healthy. Not Heisman trophy well- but he is smart, experienced and throws a good deep ball. There is no shame
In opting for the guy who gives us the most experience with the offense especially for the first game of the year.
This was the only option that made sense to me from the start. I have no clue why anyone is surprised by it or upset by it... They picked the guy who gives us the best chance to win NOW.
“It was a very difficult decision,” Muschamp said. “You look at our three scrimmages, which are the three benchmarks really in the evaluation. Ryan was the player of the day in the first one; Collin was in the second. Both of them played extremely well in the third. It was very difficult, a hard decision, but that’s the decision that we made. As I’ve said before, we can win with both guys. We have great confidence in both guys, and both guys know that.”I don't think that's 100% accurate. I read Bobo's comments saying Hill was more consistent in practice and scrimmages, that Bobo tracked and graded everything they did.
GamecockScoop - Bobo explains decision to start Hill
The Gamecock OC explains the decision.southcarolina.rivals.com