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Gregg Marshall's third season at WSU: 25-10 (12-6)Originally posted by Kmart84:
Wichita St record the 3 years before Gregg Marshall. 65-33.
USC record the 3 years before Frank Martin 39-53.
Seems one took over a better program than the other. Coach before Marshall at Wichita St hired away by a bigger school. Coach before Martin at USC, fired. Why not present the whole story instead of the Marshall lovers version.
I'll give you a C+ for trying to debunk the previous 2 posts...Spin Zone... You tried, its the effort that counts,Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Frank Martin enjoys many advantages that Gregg Marshall does not have--major conference affiliation, modern arena, endless TV coverage, bigger recruiting budget, state's flagship university, etc.
Nobody can spin 15-39. Helen Keller could do better.Originally posted by bosoxcock:
I'll give you a C+ for trying to debunk the previous 2 posts...Spin Zone... You tried, its the effort that counts,Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Frank Martin enjoys many advantages that Gregg Marshall does not have--major conference affiliation, modern arena, endless TV coverage, bigger recruiting budget, state's flagship university, etc.
They have been to the tourney only 8 times before Marshall got there, and only 1 since 1989...2006.Originally posted by dcdayday:
Greg Marshall is at a program that is known for having success in basketball. USC doesn't have that recent success in basketball. Witchita St is just like Tulsa. These are 2 programs where a young coach can get immediate success and then get a higher profile job. Besides Frank Martin arrived when the cupboard was bare at USC.
Except that the ___ is a visibly easier conference. Still not a fair comparison. Yes, Martin may have some advantages, such as a larger budget, better facilities, and more exposure, but he also has the disadvantage of playing in a much more difficult league. Then you throw in the fact that he inherited a club that was probably in the bottom 15% or so nationally and had to build completely from scratch, while Marshall started with a team in much better shape.Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Gregg Marshall's third season at WSU: 25-10 (12-6)Originally posted by Kmart84:
Wichita St record the 3 years before Gregg Marshall. 65-33.
USC record the 3 years before Frank Martin 39-53.
Seems one took over a better program than the other. Coach before Marshall at Wichita St hired away by a bigger school. Coach before Martin at USC, fired. Why not present the whole story instead of the Marshall lovers version.
Frank Martin's third season at USC: 17-16 (6-12)
It's only right if you compare Marshall's first 3 seasons with Frank's first 3 seasons. Yours is a disingenuous comparison.Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Last 3 Seasons
Gregg Marshall -- 95-14 (47-7 in MVC)
3 NCAA Tourneys
1 Final Four
1 Sweet Sixteen (still competing for National Title)
1 National Coach of Year
7 NCAA Tourney wins (2 more than USC all-time, including consolation games)
Frank Martin -- 45-54 (15-39 in SEC)
0 Post-season tourneys
(Currently enjoying his annual March vacation)
And, despite resounding success at his kid-major job, he has not really gotten serious consideration from ANY major program. Some of the morons pushing this have no understanding of what goes into a big hire, they just compare two completely unrelated records and act like it proves a point... HORN was considered a very good hire at the time, Martin was a walk off Home Run of a hire! Marshall would have taken 3-4 years to build this program as well, and there is no guarantee he would recruit the players we need to get there. Frank has recruiting connections and clout and has landed some good talent, we just need to see what he can do with it. Thus far, improvements have been made in baby steps. over the next two years I expect leaps and bounds!Originally posted by Kmart84:
As stated in another thread about Marshall, more than one AD at USC passed on the opportunity to hire Marshall. Not only passed, but never even considered him a candidate for the position. The rumor has always been that the AD' s were told that Marshall should not be hired and the BOT would not approve his hiring. True or not, there is a reason Marshall was passed on by multiple AD's.
This . I hope Marshall does go to Alabama were football and Nick Saban is king. Big mistake .Originally posted by cockhornleghorn:
It's only right if you compare Marshall's first 3 seasons with Frank's first 3 seasons. Yours is a disingenuous comparison.Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Last 3 Seasons
Gregg Marshall -- 95-14 (47-7 in MVC)
3 NCAA Tourneys
1 Final Four
1 Sweet Sixteen (still competing for National Title)
1 National Coach of Year
7 NCAA Tourney wins (2 more than USC all-time, including consolation games)
Frank Martin -- 45-54 (15-39 in SEC)
0 Post-season tourneys
(Currently enjoying his annual March vacation)
Don't feed the troll, folks.Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Frank Martin enjoys many advantages that Gregg Marshall does not have--major conference affiliation, modern arena, endless TV coverage, bigger recruiting budget, state's flagship university, etc.
He makes $2M a year at Wichita. If you want a guy to come, gotta give him a raise (unless he's unpopular with his fanbase and administration and he's looking to get out).Originally posted by dcdayday:
Marshall was the reason why he wasn't hired at USC. At the time he was asking for too much money. How could you justify paying a coach 2 million or more in basketball coming from a small conference.
You should post less. Thanks.Originally posted by Sportsuits:
Last 3 Seasons
Gregg Marshall -- 95-14 (47-7 in MVC)
3 NCAA Tourneys
1 Final Four
1 Sweet Sixteen (still competing for National Title)
1 National Coach of Year
7 NCAA Tourney wins (2 more than USC all-time, including consolation games)
Frank Martin -- 45-54 (15-39 in SEC)
0 Post-season tourneys
(Currently enjoying his annual March vacation)
My God. Where to begin? First, Gregg Marshall beat Indiana and Kansas over the weekend. Frank Martin has not had that many quality wins in three seasons here.Originally posted by psmith5532:
I'm sure Frank would love to have their schedule...they played one ranked team all year. I would love to play the likes of Missu St., Drake, Ill. St...etc. The comparison is not fair. Plus he gets to recruit in probably the best basketball state in the country.
Strickly speaking regular season...and BTW they got beat by the ranked teams they played in the reg. season. And if you think Indiana and Kansas were good teams then you failed to watch them play during the course of the year. I don't really give a rats ass who coaches this team, as long as there is improvement...which there is IMO. And comparing the two teams in historical context is like comparing Clemson and Duke...The bottom line is Marshall will NEVER coach this team and to talk about it every year and just fruitless. It's like asking why the Football hasn't gone after Saban. If USC had their schedule I would go out on a limb and say they would be a 20 game winner this year.Originally posted by Sportsuits:
My God. Where to begin? First, Gregg Marshall beat Indiana and Kansas over the weekend. Frank Martin has not had that many quality wins in three seasons here.Originally posted by psmith5532:
I'm sure Frank would love to have their schedule...they played one ranked team all year. I would love to play the likes of Missu St., Drake, Ill. St...etc. The comparison is not fair. Plus he gets to recruit in probably the best basketball state in the country.
Second, Kansans like basketball, but the State of Kansas produces very little basketball talent. The Shockers only have 3 Kansans on their 15-man roster--same as the Jayhawks.
What is the point of your thread? What ax do you have to grind with whom and why? The Marshall thing is so old and done so many times that it serves absolutely NO purpose, other than to cause divisive discourse… It contributes nothing positive to the discussion of Gamecock athletics…Originally posted by Sportsuits:
My God. Where to begin? First, Gregg Marshall beat Indiana and Kansas over the weekend. Frank Martin has not had that many quality wins in three seasons here.Originally posted by psmith5532:
I'm sure Frank would love to have their schedule...they played one ranked team all year. I would love to play the likes of Missu St., Drake, Ill. St...etc. The comparison is not fair. Plus he gets to recruit in probably the best basketball state in the country.
Second, Kansans like basketball, but the State of Kansas produces very little basketball talent. The Shockers only have 3 Kansans on their 15-man roster--same as the Jayhawks.