Jerry Meyer pitching coach.
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That's not his problem. He picks 5-6 pitchers as his favorites and develops them and that's all he will use. His issue is that he doesn't develop enough arms to have at his disposal....especially in situational pitching or when we lose an arm or two for a few games.
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So I guess the bar is set at making the NCAA Tourney every year and an occasionally a SR? No way we'll ever win it all again using 5 out of 15 pitchers throughout the season, including losing 2-3 to injury, and then trying to use the rest once the tournament starts.
How many times do we have to watch this movie before we remember the ending?
So I guess the bar is set at making the NCAA Tourney every year and an occasionally a SR? No way we'll ever win it all again using 5 out of 15 pitchers throughout the season, including losing 2-3 to injury, and then trying to use the rest once the tournament starts.
How many times do we have to watch this movie before we remember the ending?
Maybe Kingston is going to give him a year and see what happens. I think it would have been unwise for Kingston not to have retained anyone from Hobrook's staff.
I prefer clean breaks. Didn't help to retain Elliott on Muschamp's staff.
Sounds like you enjoyed watching those blown leads giving up hR's late in games this past season. Had nothing to do with the pitching coaches, huh?
But hey...we did have an awesome ERA.
Or will we make it to Omaha like 02, 03, 04. Or atleast win 56 games like 2000. No way it'll happen with Meyers
Hopefully Kingston tells him that he needs 12 or more arms ready to go on day one period.
Sounds like some of y'all just started watching Gamecocks baseball around 2010
Where are the trophies from those years?
Not sure how long you've been watching but I've watched and attended games since the early 80's.
Big ball era...and we put up a lot of runs. I can still remember us running out of pitchers in the CWS, especially against Texas in the championship game.
SodaCock, I certainly can appreciate your opinion, I am not (or at least I wasn't) a Jerry Meyers disciple... until I heard a couple of things just recently.
MLB announcers are infatuated with Jordan Montgomery. Heard several different announcers comment, often, that Montgomery has 'the perfect overhand delivery' Apparently, a good overhand delivery prevents batters from reading what kind of pitch is coming. Fastball, curve, slider, change-up, etc. all look the same. Guess wrong and it's Too Late! to adjust.
Anyway, when Tyler Webb made his MLB pitching debut, the ESPN announcers talked about his consistent overhand delivery.... " ... and this is why he's not being developed as a 'specialty pitcher', one who is brought in to pitch to just one batter or, brought in to just get lefties out."
Then I remembered listening to the SEC Network announcers talk about Clark Schmidt's overhand delivery all season....and we all know what he's about.
My point is ... somebody must be teaching these kids how to pitch overhand. I don't think that it's just coincidence. Maybe Meyers deserves a chance.
Under Meyers:
Sec championship 2000, 02, 11
East championship 99, 2000, 02 03, 11, 12, 16
Sec tournament championship 04
National championship 2011
Been watching and listening since I was about 8. So around same time as you. Maybe I remember some of his accomplishments better
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Did you also remember that we had to come back through the losers bracket and Texas didn't. We had to use more arms to get there. We played 6 games in the cws, they played 4. Also the last year before a 2 of 3 championship series
Did you also remember that we had to come back through the losers bracket and Texas didn't. We had to use more arms to get there. We played 6 games in the cws, they played 4. Also the last year before a 2 of 3 championship series
That wasn't under Meyers, that was under Tanner with Meyers as asst.
Hopefully Kingston will be a better manager than Chad.
My memory is just fine, thx. Meyers did assist Tanner in accomplishing lofty goals. For some reason I always got the impression that Chad manage his staff, the hold-overs from Tanner, with much authority. Either he really trusted Meyers judgement or was just afraid to question it.
At any rate I'll be pulling for Kingston and the team. But that doesn't mean I can't critique them.
Yes, I remember...which is my point. It's not that he can't develop pitchers...he actually does a great job at that. His M.O. however is to develop about 5-6 that he relies on throughout the year. He needs to develop more and use them.
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USCBatgirl21
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Ended the season 8th in the SEC.
4th in 2016.
11th in 2015.
2 of the last 3 years have been terrible as far as pitching is concerned. And we just happened to miss the post season those two years.
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I think the real culprit for the nose dive resigned. Maybe Kingston will change the way Meyers approaches his pitching lessons. I'd like to see less scrimmages in cold weather using valuable arms.
Sorry but blaming Meyers for Tommy John is ridiculous. Several had TJ surgery before they got to Carolina.
The issue is kids finish in spring, go play summer ball then throw in fall. Need more down time, and for what it is worth I am friends with a kid on the staff and Meyers is not an issue with our pitchers.
Not following batgirl. I Just agree with he thoughts. She Is not my babysitter
I don't think Meyer did a good job this past season..But i am not qualified to question the wisdom of retaining him as pitching coach...I said all along the biggest issue with the program was Holbrook himself...Kingston is a big upgrade there
It does not sound like replacing Myers was even considered. It sounds more like the new coach hired on Fri..inherited a coach that was already here and that announcement was made a few days later. I wish I could say that I am surprised but I am not. Cheer up....maybe for the first time a holdover coach will work out at USC....after all the odds are that eventually this will work.
Myer is a good coach..I do not doubt that. However there are a number of good pitching coaches out there. So far Tanner has made two hires and each apparently came with a holdover. Elliot sure was not retained because he was an invaluable talent of a coach...it was for other reasons. I suspect Myers was retained for other reasons as well and that is a problem.
On the thoughtful side...i see no way we have a good pitching staff next spring...may as well let Meyer take the heat for the mess he made...if he can fix it, GREAT...If not fire his ass
Wow! What it is like to be so misinformed? The 5 years that Jerry Meyers was our pitching coach with Ray Tanner as head coach we made Omaha All 5 years including 1 NC, 2 NC runner ups, a third place finish and a fourth place finish. So I guess you don't like finishing in the top 4.
Nearly every year JM has been our pitching coach, we have finished in the top third (often number 1 in the SEC).
The problem is that since CH arrived and Jim Toman left our hitting has been in the bottom third of the SEC and our situational hitting has been the worst.
Our hitting has been so bad for the past 9 years that it has limited of pitching development.
#1 Our pitchers work against some of the worst hitters in the SEC in practice.
#2 You can only afford to throw your best guys in games because giving up 4 runs is an insurmountable lead with our offense. We had to win games 3-2. How often in the past 5 years do you recall winning 8-7.
USCBatgirl21
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There were also years he was pitching coach that we did NOT make Omaha, most notably 2000.
Most recently we've missed the post season when his sraff has failed more than succeeded. How do we know what we have on staff when we barely saw them pitch last year?
This does seem eerily like the Elliott situation.
Are you saying we didn't make it to Omaha that year because of pitching? You realize we lost game 3 of the SR that year 3-2
It would have been better for the acceptance of the new regime not to retain Meyers. There must be someone out there who would represent an upgrade.
Meyers was retained because contrary to alot of fans, Jerry Meyers is still considered to be one of the best in the business and Billy mohl took the head job at usf. Simple as that. Kingston said in his press conference that some on staff may be considered if he has room. I don't believe Tanner would dictate that
I'll tell you what...Next time one of you JM haters sees Ray Tanner, tell him that Meyers sucks, and see what he says. Better yet...Ask the pitchers on staff. You talk about JM using the same pitchers all the time...Anybody watch Florida this year? O'Sullivan used the SAME pitchers on weekends and playoff games.
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