Check out the 2024 schedule, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Tam U, just to name a few. We will be dogs in every SEC game except Vandy.
2024 7 SEC loses very likely
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You mean we won't be favored against all of the teams who have consistently out recruited us since the beginning of time?
I mean Old Dominion, Akron, Wofford, and Vandy wins will be touted by Beamer as making progress.
Unless we can find a coach who can consistently outcoach teams with better players, we're only as good as the talent we bring in. Recruiting composites are typically on 4-5 year lags.
Below is our SEC recruiting rank over the past 4 years:
2023 - SEC Rank: 7
2022 - SEC Rank: 10
2021 - SEC Rank: 13 (ouside of top 50)
2020 - SEC Rank: 7
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4-year avg: Ranked 9-10th in the conference
This year we've lost to the teams who have out recruited us over that period and beat the ones who didn't.
Then you sprinkle in the fact that some of our good players are now plucked by the same teams who out recruit us in the first place.
We are paper thin across the board as usual. Wells is probably the second best player on the team and we haven't had him all year. When you add in Lloyd and Bell losses, it's easy to see why we're sitting at 2-4 right now versus 4-2 or better.
We are staring down 4-8 or 3-9 next year.
No way Beamer survives that instead of wasting next year we might as well grab Chadwell while he’s available.
No way Beamer survives that instead of wasting next year we might as well grab Chadwell while he’s available.
Yep, thats an impossible task, name 1 coach with a track record of taking over .500ish average teams and almost immediately competing for and winning conference titles???? They don’t exist. Well…..Jamey Chadwell did it at NGU, Charleston Southern and Coastal Carolina, and is now 6-0 at Liberty……but he was never an option for us. Well actually he was, he wanted the job, but Rally Cap Ray had a better plan
Hes no longer available. Liberty locked him up. Hes 6-0 and will win the AAC there this year next (he’ll have won conference titles at 4 different places in 3 different divisions), and hes gonna wait on Va Tech, West Virginia or somewhere like that. Hes gone, we missed that ship
The ole baseball coach is the root of the problem with our football program. Muschamp was a bad hire. USC had to pony up about $16,000,000 to clean that mess up. How did the AD fix that? He hired a guy with zero head coaching experience. How much will it cost to clean up Ray's latest mistake?
Hiring Beamer was a bad idea, but Ray really tripled down on the bad decision when he gave him a raise last year.
I did not like adding Texas and Oklahoma to the conference. Two more teams that will drag us up and down the field is not fun to watch.
Agree. There was no reason to up Beamer's salary by $4mil a year. Ray did the same thing with Muschamp along with the same reasoning - "We could lose him to another team." it's that kind of mentality which boxes us in.
We're only as good as the players we recruit. Beating a team with better talent isn't going to happen on any consistent basis. When it does, your good players now get purchased by another team.
We ended up ranked 16th last year in recruiting. That's a high quality class for us. Beamer needs continuation of that production to survive beyond 4-5 years.
We're 2-4. but so far we've lost to teams who recruit better players and beat the ones who don't. The team played well in the Florida game until a few errors in the 4th quarter. Florida had the better talent and that talent carried them during crunch time.
We like the money and the clout. However, we rank 8-10th in the conference in terms of talent. This is life in the SEC.
Disagree.
Shane's salary is still about 11th in the conference and paying the head coach at South Carolina a salary that is competitive in the conference is something any athletic director at South Carolina needs to do and is going to have to do for the overall program's sake. It would only hurt the program for other coaches to see South Carolina as a place that always pays their football coaches a poor wage compared to other schools in the conference.
Muschamp's last contract with USC stated his buyout would be 75% of the remainder of his guaranteed compensation.
Beamer's contract calls for him to be paid 65% of the remainder of his guaranteed compensation remaining on his contract should he be fired without cause.
Muschamp's buyout was $12.9 million. They owed about $16 million but negotiated it downward (probably by agreeing to pay a one time lump sum).
We can't continue to be held hostage by a contract or an agent. Head coaching contracts are already ringers because of the 5-year cushion in the name of recruiting. If we lose a coach to another school, so be it. There's no reason to follow the leader when you're dealing with the lower end of talent in the SEC. Last season's results did not justify a $4mil raise or the 65% buyout.
The coach of the team we are playing this weekend, Eliah Drinkwtiz, should have been on our short list but wasn't because Muschamp's buyout was too large after the 2019 debacle. Part of that debacle was Drinkwitz rolling into Wlliams-Brice and beating us when he coached ASU. Drinkwitz contract was $4mil for the first three years and moved to $6mil this year with the contract running to 2027. His buyout is 50% of the contract.
100%. Forget the sheep mentality. No one says we have to participate in the head coaching contract madness. It's just an elistist club. There are plenty of quality coaches who would take half what Beamer is making and do just as good of a job, if not better. If they don't succeed after 3-4yrs, you can find a different option without suffocating the program along the way. Moreover, the coaches who have the most impact are not the head coach. Good position and player development coaches should be the focus.
No, his buyout is 75% (more than Beamer's).
His buyout includes a provision that requires 50% to be paid to him within 30 days if is fired without cause, with the rest to be paid to him in monthly installments over the term of the contract- up to his 75% total.
What Eli Drinkwitz's contract extension mean for Drinkwitz and Mizzou football
Eli Drinkwitz's new contract extension was announced on Saturday. See how much of a raise Missouri's head football coach will get.
www.columbiatribune.com
No, his buyout is 75% (more than Beamer's).
His buyout includes a provision that requires 50% to be paid to him within 30 days if is fired without cause, with the rest to be paid to him in monthly installments over the term of the contract- up to his 75% total.
What Eli Drinkwitz's contract extension mean for Drinkwitz and Mizzou football
Eli Drinkwitz's new contract extension was announced on Saturday. See how much of a raise Missouri's head football coach will get.www.columbiatribune.com
You're right. I read that wrong. So insane. There's absolutely no reason to do that other than keeping up the Joneses. The buyout should be no more than one year's salary.
There would be plenty of quality takers at $2mil a year with a one-year salary buyout. The idea that even 5% of these P5 head coaches are the cream of the crop is a total fallacy. Player development happens at the position coach level.
Hopefully it doesn't work out this way, but his remuneration this year could wind up proportional to where his team finishes in the standings.
Just asking, would you rather be playing Wake, Duke, Maryland and Virginia every year? (LOL and not doing anything with it!)
I would love to be playing UNC, N. C. State, and Duke every year, and UPC in the conference. Some people around here have forgotten what real hatred is and a whole generation has never learned.
Heck this year with Rattler could possibly be a 6 loss SEC schedule!!
Sellers will be a very good QB for us in the future. The gamble is going to be the supporting cast....more specifically, the oline. If we can can get an oline that stays healthy and can jell together, we can make some noise.
Takes more than a quarterback.
WATCH IT NOW, BUDDY!!!
Common sense is not welcome here!!! Ever wonder why there is this vast population void between Va and JaxTown, FL? DUH??
Obviously, the winner of Today's Cigar!!!
Rattler is THE BEST QB I have ever seen at QB@Carolina.
My friend, until we realize "Depth" is truly the issue, WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND COLLEGE FOOTBALL!, and we will not be a winning program!
We do need depth. Butbthat comes after building the first string.
It is right to be concerned that the one guy who is seemingly carrying our team needs to be replaced next year.
It is right to be concerned that the one guy who is seemingly carrying our team needs to be replaced next year.
You're on fire with these posts today. In another thread, you posted that Kentucky is better than Vanderbilt. Keep em coming.
It’s just mind blowing that we are a 4 win team with the greatest QB in our history and these guys think his backup is going to lead us to more wins next year.
The back up qb is always the favorite of the fans.
You have to give credit though, to those who are blindly optimistic in the face of seeing the same results year after year, decade after decade.
Sellers is a Freshman and the backup to Rattler who is a great Senior QB.
Sellers has looked good in the limited time he has been on the field.
Why are you and Watson writing him off in advance?
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So did QB Dobby Grossman. He was probably before your time. Old time Gamecock fans will probably remember him.
Coming in at "mop up time" is different than getting Oklahoma's, LSU's, Ole Miss', etc best shot. Not saying that he did not look good when he was in, nor not be great. Just me saying that I would be cautiously optimistic.
