Losing a generation of fans....

[67gamecock]

Most asinine thing I've read. Hell, most people don't know where Purdue or even Notre Dame are but they sure as hell know Notre Dame has won some football games. Last I looked geography has zero to do with football titles. No one cares to know where Clemson is...they just watch them win 29 in a row while we crap the bed.

Well . . . yes, I suppose, however for decades ND was the pride and joy of Catholic 'subway alumni' all over the world. It didn't really matter if folks didn't know that ND was located in northern Indiana. Unlike Purdue and Clemson, Notre Dame was (is) a Catholic university; not a state land grant college.

 

[USC15]

GVL has always seemed more pro-Gamecock to me.

Greenville is certainly more pro-Clemson. Plenty of USC fans here but ya there are more clem fans

 

[coolcock2001]

The most recent decade is the best on record for Gamecock athletics. But we are now losing a generation? How did we ever sucker these folks in to begin with

 

[Ghostang]

Still more Gamecocks here in Conway, but it used to be 75-25, now it's more like 60-40.

Having grown up in Conway and now living in Myrtle Beach, I can confirm. It's unfortunate.

 

[okccock]

It’s just popular to be a Clemson fan right now. Let them loose a game or two and most of the orange and purple goes away. Most of the fans have zero affiliation to the school and usually don’t pull out the gear until they are at least 8-0. Let Clemson get to 8-0 and half of Academy Sports is orange.

this is very likely, because... what else does CU possibly offer besides current wins in football?

 

[Ghostang]

this is very likely, because... what else does CU possibly offer besides current wins in football?

Taters? The finest goats? I give up! What is it?

 

[uscnoklahoma2]

The most recent decade is the best on record for Gamecock athletics. But we are now losing a generation? How did we ever sucker these folks in to begin with

Easy...Steve Spurrier. He brought a whole new swagger. Its now dissipated just as fast as it appeared.

 

[Kitchenlabs]

Sometimes I think Ray drinks. Heavily. It’s the only explanation for some of the idiotic things he says.

Second only to the idiotic things you say....like this post.

 

[Kitchenlabs]

It doesn't matter how many national championships they win most out of staters do not know that Clemson is located in South Carolina. This fact is reinforced daily in my retirement job which allows me to interact with folks from all over.

Exactly...I was in Texas in October and while they had heard of Clemson, they didn't know or care about them.

 

[Kitchenlabs]

It is more likely that the younger generation doesn't follow football at all. The non contact sports are quickly becoming more popular.

 

[ansoncock]

The short sighted stupidity of our AD and BOT knows no bounds.

Part of being the decision making Gamecock elite, is that you know that if you just pretend everything is ok, the fans will eventually go away, and business can continue as normal.

 

[robertfootball]

Second only to the idiotic things you say....like this post.

What examples do you have of idiotic things I say? Just because you may not agree with me doesn’t make them idiotic.

 

[Kitchenlabs]

What examples do you have of idiotic things I say? Just because you may not agree with me doesn’t make them idiotic.

For starters saying that Tanner has a drinking problem is a very lowdown personal attack.

 

[ConKreteCock]

.... i live in Spartanburg. It has always been majority gamecock. Because of our refusal to compete that is changing. I am seeing it. We are losing the younger generation of fans to be to the uringe. I assume the rest of the state is the same. We look ridiculous. This can’t continue. #notadime

Doesn't matter. The BOT / AD / Cancerous Sunshine Pumping fanbase will *ALWAYS* run the show at USC and all 3 of those categories of people are morons. Walking stupidity.

Good for the younger folks. They'll learn how to actually win at all costs.

 

[Legendary Cock]

The most recent decade is the best on record for Gamecock athletics. But we are now losing a generation? How did we ever sucker these folks in to begin with

As has been stated before, most of those great things in the Big 3 men's sports ended after the 2013 season. We hired an unqualified AD because of our good ol' boy system. He then went on to hire a proven loser of a football coach, despite having the biggest head start in the country. Then he doubled down on that hire by giving that ridiculously unwarranted extension and buyout that is pretty much the only reason Muschamp still has a job here. Baseball-wise, he hung on to Holbroke for two years too long, even though it was obvious things were bottoming out after Year 3

For starters saying that Tanner has a drinking problem is a very lowdown personal attack.

I think you should look up the word "hyperbole."

 

[Kitchenlabs]

As has been stated before, most of those great things in the Big 3 men's sports ended after the 2013 season. We hired an unqualified AD because of our good ol' boy system. He then went on to hire a proven loser of a football coach, despite having the biggest head start in the country. Then he doubled down on that hire by giving that ridiculously unwarranted extension and buyout that is pretty much the only reason Muschamp still has a job here. Baseball-wise, he hung on to Holbroke for two years too long, even though it was obvious things were bottoming out after Year 3

I think you should look up the word "hyperbole."

I think you need to look up the meaning of "defamation."

 

[cockymark]

Who cares who a individual pulls for...you could change teams every day if you wanted to. I dont understand why anyone pulls for a team just when they are winning and when it stops they change to another team ...that is not what a true fan does.

 

[Legendary Cock]

I think you need to look up the meaning of "defamation."

Lol. Name one thing I said that wasn't true here. And honestly, I think you're the one that needs to look that word up, since it clearly doesn't apply here.

 

[funktavious]

I don't think it's tough being a Gamecock based off how we are doing right now. I think it's because of how well our hated rival is doing. If you look at us, with the exception of 2 bad seasons(Spurrier's last and this past one) we've been better than what our history suggests. Over the last 20 years we're 8-6 in bowl games so we've only missed going to a bowl game 6 times in the last 20 seasons and half of those were when Holtz was coach. Before the last 20 seasons we had only been to bowl games 10 times and won only 1 of those. When Spurrier took over the Gamecocks had lost 6 more games than they had won. We're now 28 games over .500. We all want us to be better than what we are but to think this is the worst time in Gamecock football is wrong.

 

[Legendary Cock]

I don't think it's tough being a Gamecock based off how we are doing right now. I think it's because of how well our hated rival is doing. If you look at us, with the exception of 2 bad seasons(Spurrier's last and this past one) we've been better than what our history suggests. Over the last 20 years we're 8-6 in bowl games so we've only missed going to a bowl game 6 times in the last 20 seasons and half of those were when Holtz was coach. Before the last 20 seasons we had only been to bowl games 10 times and won only 1 of those. When Spurrier took over the Gamecocks had lost 6 more games than they had won. We're now 28 games over .500. We all want us to be better than what we are but to think this is the worst time in Gamecock football is wrong.

It's the worst because we've seen what we can accomplish. Our standards have -- or had -- been raised since the Hell-on-Earth era of Woods/Scott and most years prior, thanks to Holtz and (mostly) Spurrier.

Clemson winning on such a grand scale definitely piles on the hurt. But watching our administration and many of our own fans so easily revert back to the old loser mentality of "Well, that's the way it's always been" is the most maddening of all.

 

[TigerTripp11]

this is very likely, because... what else does CU possibly offer besides current wins in football?

Great school!

 

[bigbcock]

It’s not looking good in Greenville County either. Most of the stores only carry Clemson gear and it’s never been that way. Even during the down years and it’s more than just losing. People are not informed about the program anymore. It used to be noise coming out of Columbia about our Gamecocks, and a lot of players used to be household names even if they wasn’t big stars. Will Muschamp has put a muzzle on the team and it’s not good!

I hate to disagree but Greenville has always been Clemturd 2, I lived in Greenville County for 33 years and after The Jewelry Warehouse left you couldn't find anything in Greenville that said Gamecocks on it!!!

 

[Horseshoe 04]

We won a national championship in Men’s Tennis & it only took one young man to do it.

please follow his example

 

[01fatboy]

.... i live in Spartanburg. It has always been majority gamecock. Because of our refusal to compete that is changing. I am seeing it. We are losing the younger generation of fans to be to the uringe. I assume the rest of the state is the same. We look ridiculous. This can’t continue. #notadime

yea thats it

 

[01fatboy]

wash rinse repeat ad naseum,from now until better times...yall are so pathetic...living your life vicariously through 18 to 22 yr olds aint my idea of living...doesnt change the fact that we all want better,its just that some dont waste their life,time and breath on here about it..

 

[ansoncock]

wash rinse repeat ad naseum,from now until better times...yall are so pathetic...living your life vicariously through 18 to 22 yr olds aint my idea of living...doesnt change the fact that we all want better,its just that some dont waste their life,time and breath on here about it..

Have you ever played a competitive sport? If you have, and still think the way you do, then please explain. I really would like to know your logic on this.

And true, you do have a valid point. Most of us on this board do other things, too. We have families, work, worship in church or synagogue, etc.

If we should not care about winning so much, then why are we forking our so many millions to a relatively few coaches?

 

[Brace1]

I hate to disagree but Greenville has always been Clemturd 2, I lived in Greenville County for 33 years and after The Jewelry Warehouse left you couldn't find anything in Greenville that said Gamecocks on it!!!

If you saw my other post then you’ll see I said Greenville has always been “more Clemson. What I was saying here is that it’s “harder now, to find Gamecock gear then it was before. It’s always been easier to find Clemson merchandise but we still had a presence in Greenville which is changing fast!

 

[FightinRooster]

Counting me, there’s 6 Gamecock fans in Greenville county

 

[bigbcock]

If you saw my other post then you’ll see I said Greenville has always been “more Clemson. What I was saying here is that it’s “harder now, to find Gamecock gear then it was before. It’s always been easier to find Clemson merchandise but we still had a presence in Greenville which is changing fast!

Probably true, I was in Aiken today and stopped at Cracker Barrel to eat, they had clemsux stuff but no USC!

 

[jerryusc]

I agree and stated this in a previous thread but Im not sure it matters. Our AD and BOT are shortsighted. Money is pouring in right now and that's all that matters.

You stole my post.

In 4 or 5 yrs a lot of them will be retired and living well off of their pensions. Why should they care or do the hard work required to right the ship? This especially applies to RT.

If I could somehow go back and choose my team to become devoted to, it would not be USC. It would be Clemson. It's strange that the Clemson athletic dept seems much more willing to take the necessary steps to be successful while the USC athletic dept seems to be satisfied with the status quo.

Have been a fan of USC since the late '50s so am not a fair weather fan. Back then and until Ray I was always hopeful that somehow someway things would change and they did for a few short seasons with Jim, Joe, Lou, and Steve but that was short lived and the chance to build off of that was not taken. The GC powers that be do not care about us fans. If they would devote as much time to improving USC's athletic pgm as they do to visiting the dessert bars, USC would be numero uno in all sports. A bunch of fat good ole boy, back slapping, grinning losers.

It just doesn't matter as much to me as it once did and if USC can lose an avid devoted fan such as me the future is not bright. Used to always expect and hope for a win in FB and MBB. Now I feel the opposite.

 

[atl-cock]

You stole my post.

In 4 or 5 yrs a lot of them will be retired and living well off of their pensions. Why should they care or do the hard work required to right the ship? This especially applies to RT.

If I could somehow go back and choose my team to become devoted to, it would not be USC. It would be Clemson. It's strange that the Clemson athletic dept seems much more willing to take the necessary steps to be successful while the USC athletic dept seems to be satisfied with the status quo.

Have been a fan of USC since the late '50s so am not a fair weather fan. Back then and until Ray I was always hopeful that somehow someway things would change and they did for a few short seasons with Jim, Joe, Lou, and Steve but that was short lived and the chance to build off of that was not taken. The GC powers that be do not care about us fans. If they would devote as much time to improving USC's athletic pgm as they do to visiting the dessert bars, USC would be numero uno in all sports. A bunch of fat good ole boy, back slapping, grinning losers.

It just doesn't matter as much to me as it once did and if USC can lose an avid devoted fan such as me the future is not bright. Used to always expect and hope for a win in FB and MBB. Now I feel the opposite.

Given your timeline of fandom, what's your take on Giese's teams from the late 50s?

 

[jerryusc]

Given your timeline of fandom, what's your take on Giese's teams from the late 50s?

1956 South Carolina 10 7 3 0 .700 6.14 0.24 17
1957 South Carolina 10 5 5 0 .500 5.05 2.45
1958 South Carolina 10 7 3 0 .700 6.41 0.21 15 15
1959 South Carolina 10 6 4 0 .600 0.72 0.52 14 11
1960 South Carolina 10 3 6 1 .350 -5.69 -0.59
5 Yrs South Carolina 50 28 21 1 .570 2.53 0.57

1956
9/15 vs. Wofford (non-IA) W 26 13
9/22 vs. *Duke (5-4-1) W 7 0
9/28 @ Miami (Florida) (8-1-1) L 6 14
10/6 vs. *North Carolina (2-7-1) W 14 0
10/13 vs. *Virginia (3-7) W 27 13 @ Richmond, VA
10/25 vs. *Clemson (7-2-2) L 0 7
11/3 @ Furman (2-8) W 13 6
11/10 @ *North Carolina State (3-7) L 7 14
11/17 vs. *Maryland (2-7-1) W 13 0
11/22 vs. *Wake Forest (2-5-3) W 13 0 @ Charlotte, NC

7-3-0 126 67

1958
9/20 vs. *Duke (5-5) W 8 0
9/27 @ Army (8-0-1) L 8 45
10/4 @ Georgia (4-6) W 24 14
10/11 @ *North Carolina (6-4) L 0 6
10/23 vs. *Clemson (8-3) W 26 6
11/1 @ *Maryland (4-6) L 6 10
11/8 @ Furman (2-7) W 32 7
11/15 vs. *Virginia (1-9) W 28 14
11/22 vs. *North Carolina State (2-7-1) W 12 7
11/27 vs. *Wake Forest (3-7) W 24 7
7-3 168 116

1959
9/19 vs. *Duke (4-6) W 12 7
9/26 vs. Furman (3-7) W 30 0
10/3 vs. Georgia (10-1) W 30 14
10/10 @ *North Carolina (5-5) L 6 19
10/22 vs. *Clemson (9-2) L 0 27
10/31 vs. *Maryland (5-5) W 22 6
11/7 @ *Virginia (0-10) W 32 20
11/13 @ Miami (Florida) (6-4) L 6 26
11/21 vs. *North Carolina State (1-9) W 12 7
11/28 vs. *Wake Forest (6-4) L 20 43 @ Charlotte, N
6-4 170 169

Considering USC's history he's one of the best coaches. Beat Ga '58 and '59. Note Ga's record for 1959. USC prevented a potential FBNC. If he had had a better defense in '59......WOW!
'59 was known as three yards and a cloud of dust.

Some of roster from 1959:
Steve Satterfield* QB 17 Cmp, 44 Att, 180 Yds, 2 TD
Jim Costen QB 4 Cmp, 11 Att, 58 Yds, 0 TD
Dave Sowell QB 2 Cmp, 9 Att, 1 Yds, 0 TD
Harvey Shiflet QB 2 Cmp, 5 Att, 6 Yds, 0 TD
Buddy Bennett QB 4 Cmp, 4 Att, 37 Yds, 0 TD
Ken Norton* RB 79 Att, 396 Yds, 5.0 Avg
Joe Gomes* RB 49 Att, 263 Yds, 5.4 Avg
Johnny Saunders* RB 27 Att, 104 Yds, 3.9 Avg
Jack Morris RB 21 Att, 68 Yds, 3.2 Avg
Jimmy Hunter RB 9 Rec, 60 Yds, 6.7 Avg
Phil Lavoie RB 122 Att, 522 Yds, 4.3 Avg
Steve Kopian RB 32 Att, 147 Yds, 4.6 Avg
Bob Farmer RB 26 Att, 84 Yds, 3.2 Avg
Gordon Cole RB 9 Att, 34 Yds, 3.8 Avg
Jimmy Williams RB 9 Att, 28 Yds, 3.1 Avg
Jim Bowman RB 7 Att, 31 Yds, 4.4 Avg
W.L. Strickland RB 2 Att, 16 Yds, 8.0 Avg
Melvin Harris RB 1 Att, 3 Yds, 3.0 Avg
Bob Saunders RB 1 Att, 0 Yds, 0.0 Avg
Jack Pitt* WR 5 Rec, 72 Yds, 14.4 Avg
Don't really remember any of the roster. Frankly, was looking for King Dixon. Seems like a lot of QBs and RBs. It was on google. Don't know how accurate it is.

 

[A_F_Deerhunter]

1956 South Carolina 10 7 3 0 .700 6.14 0.24 17
1957 South Carolina 10 5 5 0 .500 5.05 2.45
1958 South Carolina 10 7 3 0 .700 6.41 0.21 15 15
1959 South Carolina 10 6 4 0 .600 0.72 0.52 14 11
1960 South Carolina 10 3 6 1 .350 -5.69 -0.59
5 Yrs South Carolina 50 28 21 1 .570 2.53 0.57

1956
9/15 vs. Wofford (non-IA) W 26 13
9/22 vs. *Duke (5-4-1) W 7 0
9/28 @ Miami (Florida) (8-1-1) L 6 14
10/6 vs. *North Carolina (2-7-1) W 14 0
10/13 vs. *Virginia (3-7) W 27 13 @ Richmond, VA
10/25 vs. *Clemson (7-2-2) L 0 7
11/3 @ Furman (2-8) W 13 6
11/10 @ *North Carolina State (3-7) L 7 14
11/17 vs. *Maryland (2-7-1) W 13 0
11/22 vs. *Wake Forest (2-5-3) W 13 0 @ Charlotte, NC

7-3-0 126 67

1958
9/20 vs. *Duke (5-5) W 8 0
9/27 @ Army (8-0-1) L 8 45
10/4 @ Georgia (4-6) W 24 14
10/11 @ *North Carolina (6-4) L 0 6
10/23 vs. *Clemson (8-3) W 26 6
11/1 @ *Maryland (4-6) L 6 10
11/8 @ Furman (2-7) W 32 7
11/15 vs. *Virginia (1-9) W 28 14
11/22 vs. *North Carolina State (2-7-1) W 12 7
11/27 vs. *Wake Forest (3-7) W 24 7
7-3 168 116

1959
9/19 vs. *Duke (4-6) W 12 7
9/26 vs. Furman (3-7) W 30 0
10/3 vs. Georgia (10-1) W 30 14
10/10 @ *North Carolina (5-5) L 6 19
10/22 vs. *Clemson (9-2) L 0 27
10/31 vs. *Maryland (5-5) W 22 6
11/7 @ *Virginia (0-10) W 32 20
11/13 @ Miami (Florida) (6-4) L 6 26
11/21 vs. *North Carolina State (1-9) W 12 7
11/28 vs. *Wake Forest (6-4) L 20 43 @ Charlotte, N
6-4 170 169

Considering USC's history he's one of the best coaches. Beat Ga '58 and '59. Note Ga's record for 1959. USC prevented a potential FBNC. If he had had a better defense in '59......WOW!
'59 was known as three yards and a cloud of dust.

Some of roster from 1959:
Steve Satterfield* QB 17 Cmp, 44 Att, 180 Yds, 2 TD
Jim Costen QB 4 Cmp, 11 Att, 58 Yds, 0 TD
Dave Sowell QB 2 Cmp, 9 Att, 1 Yds, 0 TD
Harvey Shiflet QB 2 Cmp, 5 Att, 6 Yds, 0 TD
Buddy Bennett QB 4 Cmp, 4 Att, 37 Yds, 0 TD
Ken Norton* RB 79 Att, 396 Yds, 5.0 Avg
Joe Gomes* RB 49 Att, 263 Yds, 5.4 Avg
Johnny Saunders* RB 27 Att, 104 Yds, 3.9 Avg
Jack Morris RB 21 Att, 68 Yds, 3.2 Avg
Jimmy Hunter RB 9 Rec, 60 Yds, 6.7 Avg
Phil Lavoie RB 122 Att, 522 Yds, 4.3 Avg
Steve Kopian RB 32 Att, 147 Yds, 4.6 Avg
Bob Farmer RB 26 Att, 84 Yds, 3.2 Avg
Gordon Cole RB 9 Att, 34 Yds, 3.8 Avg
Jimmy Williams RB 9 Att, 28 Yds, 3.1 Avg
Jim Bowman RB 7 Att, 31 Yds, 4.4 Avg
W.L. Strickland RB 2 Att, 16 Yds, 8.0 Avg
Melvin Harris RB 1 Att, 3 Yds, 3.0 Avg
Bob Saunders RB 1 Att, 0 Yds, 0.0 Avg
Jack Pitt* WR 5 Rec, 72 Yds, 14.4 Avg
Don't really remember any of the roster. Frankly, was looking for King Dixon. Seems like a lot of QBs and RBs. It was on google. Don't know how accurate it is.

"3 yards and a cloud of dust", WG was a Bud Wilkerson disciple. Fans wanted a more exciting offense, in the end. I was still young back then. So, I would let the historians provide accuracy.