Don't be ridiculous. Dawn is a fine basketball coach, but Frank Martin is a more attractive woman.now that's a damn lie. Dawn Staley is a beautiful woman. She has always been very attractive.
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Don't be ridiculous. Dawn is a fine basketball coach, but Frank Martin is a more attractive woman.now that's a damn lie. Dawn Staley is a beautiful woman. She has always been very attractive.
In his defence he has laboured with honour to organise his thoughts.Wait, are you intentionally using the letter "u" in the word "color?" That's the second time you've done so in this thread.
In his defence he has laboured with honour to organise his thoughts.
Because that's how colour is spelled in most of the world.Wait, are you intentionally using the letter "u" in the word "color?" That's the second time you've done so in this thread.
Haha....I know, but I've got news for you...we won the Revolutionary War! Part of the spoils is not utilizing a superfluous "u."Because that's how colour is spelled in most of the world.
There was a pond in the centre of Beaufort decades ago, but it was filled in. I grew up about 700m from it.
Then why can't a basketball team do the same? Either accept the best or admit that its not important to accept the best, but at least be consistent.
Exactly
Shouldn't the basketball team take other factors besides basketball talent under consideration?
I dont believe they should but as you point out.... be consistent.
But people who have real sense and pay attention to reality and strive to actually look at the news and the world around them see what the deal is.
I wish i could be there the day you are denied something you have worked very hard for only because of something you have no control over. Maybe then you will comprehend this discussion.
It shouldnt happen to minorities or majorities but it does because those that advocate for being color blind are the worst offenders.
Unless Gurminder Thind is on FGF, I'm calling bullspit on that one!Canadians also spell color, "colour"...so for the person wanting to know why this person is using the spelling as they have, please remember we may have Brits, Canadians on this board...
I agree with you as far as basketball goes.Why would a basketball team take into consideration various factors beside someone's skill on the basketball court and how they merge to form a great team?
A coach that is judged on wins/losses is charged with putting together a team to win games. There is no expectation that the players represent society overall, just that they are the best possible team on the athletic court/field.
A university community, funded by taxpayers, should reflect the general makeup of society at large as much as possible. The "best" is judged in many different ways. One student might be an excellent student. Another student might be an excellent Oboe player. One might be from an underrepresented community that can bring a richness of experience to campus that doesn't exist.
Why would you expect a coach to sign a great player, and then also sign a marginal player?
Whose to say I haven't?
I would assume everyone of us has experience being denied something because of something we have no control over.
We all experience that in one way or another- and many of us always will in one way or another. We likely will know about it sometimes, but most often we won't.
You don't like the methods that some organizations have taken to try to right the wrongs of a few centuries of the systematic and terrible mistreatment of human beings.
I can understand anyone being upset for missing out on something when they have no control over it. I've been there. I'm sure I will again.
But I can also understand the bumps in the road for organizations trying their best to right the wrongs that have totaled up over the centuries.
Being color-blind isn't the goal- and shouldn't be the goal. I'm not color blind. My nephew is African American. He's clearly black.
When someone says they are color-blind, I tell them I am sorry, but that's a genetic condition.
We also agree that universities are accepting less qualified applicants from a purely academic standpoint. As long as we can admit this, we shouldn't blame people for questioning the ability of people who happen upon a degree based on their early disadvantages in life or the fact that they can play an oboe. We should expect people to question the legitimacy of some of these degrees, and they will and do.
I don't agree with what I've highlighted. In any case, there will be a workaround over time to combat this. College degrees already don't mean as much as they once did.
Are you saying then its ok to treat people differently based on skin color?
I'm talking about employers that will question degrees during the hiring process. Your diploma means nothing if employers don't respect it. I didn't go to college because I cared about a diploma any more than you did.But universities have accepted less "qualified" applicants from a purely academic standpoint for generations. Plenty of white kids were accepted that didn't deserve it just like any other group.
Surely you don't think everyone's dad or mom even on this board set the world on fire in high school with regards to academics, do you?
I went to USC. I was no academic powerhouse in high school- far from it. I was lucky to get in college. USC gave me a chance when some other schools wouldn't. USC showed me the most interest. I was a white kid from a small rural high school. Not sure I met some quota or not but I sure know I was not a high excelling student.
But I made the most of it. I guess someone could question my degree but I don't really sense people do this in real life that much. The ones that do, I would guess, are more jealous than anything.
Plus, I don't care if they question it. My diploma is hanging on the wall. They can't do anything about it.
College degrees already don't mean as much as they once did.
Why would a basketball team take into consideration various factors beside someone's skill on the basketball court and how they merge to form a great team?
A coach that is judged on wins/losses is charged with putting together a team to win games. There is no expectation that the players represent society overall, just that they are the best possible team on the athletic court/field.
A university community, funded by taxpayers, should reflect the general makeup of society at large as much as possible. The "best" is judged in many different ways. One student might be an excellent student. Another student might be an excellent Oboe player. One might be from an underrepresented community that can bring a richness of experience to campus that doesn't exist.
Why would you expect a coach to sign a great player, and then also sign a marginal player?
I'm talking about employers that will question degrees during the hiring process. Your diploma means nothing if employers don't respect it. I didn't go to college because I cared about a diploma any more than you did.
Skin color is one factor. I think it's acceptable to do so in limited situations where historically marginalized groups have been disproportionately impacted.
I have always agreed with the Supreme Court decision in Grutter v. Bollinger
So....when you say...
A university community, funded by taxpayers, should reflect the general makeup of society at large as much as possible.
You mean the color of their skin should matter in the acceptance guidelines?
Sounds like the definition of racism to me.
This is highly dependent.
I have had this exact conversation with my children when I talked to them about not focusing on the name of the college- just go to college - 2 year, 4 year - doesn't matter. I have one that is a Junior, and I have one getting ready to go to technical college who wants to then transfer to a 4 year college.
My company doesn't care where you went to college. But my job requires a college degree. It doesn't specify the degree, but of course some degrees are looked at as more applicable to our business.
Most of my coworkers went to colleges I had never heard of before I got to know my coworkers better. Most are small schools in the Midwest. I happen to work in insurance and many insurance pros didn't major in insurance. They sort of fell into it. I have coworkers with engineering degrees, history degrees, public administration degrees, teaching degrees, accounting degrees, and liberal arts degrees.
So marginalizing groups of people now is ok as long as its in the name of making up for groups marginalized in the past? Makes perfect sense.
Ciera Toomey ...6'4" center, #1 in 2023...we are not recruiting her Ashlynn Shade...6'0 guard, #3 combo guard...just commited to UCONN...we did not recruit her.. |
It's not racism. Accurately reflecting your community, city, state isn't dependent on just color.
Color of their skin, ethnicity, gender, students from cities, students from small towns, students from poor areas of the state students from well off areas, etc. - as much as is reasonably possible.
It's not racism. It's called - a publicly funded college accurately reflecting the society that provides its funding.
and this is standard practice today- and the goal of really all public colleges.
I don't know about most.Something we agree on. Most college degrees are not worth the cost of the education and the 4 years of lost income while in school.
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Ciera Toomey ...6'4" center, #1 in 2023...we are not recruiting her
Ashlynn Shade...6'0 guard, #3 combo guard...just commited to UCONN...we did not recruit her..
It would be the greatest basketball team ever assembled...does anyone think there would be pushback?
Tell that to SC State and see how that goes over.
You mean pushback like you are giving Coach Staley now?These propsects are ranked ahead of the prospects Carolina is recruiting...
Ciera Toomey ...6'4" center, #1 in 2023...we are not recruiting her
Ashlynn Shade...6'0 guard, #3 combo guard...just commited to UCONN...we did not recruit her..
Here's an interesting question for thought: What if, Geno recruited only white players, hired staff that was all white, and was winning National Championships? ..(example of starting five with bench players)
PG..Paige Bueckers
CG...Catlin Clark
C...Elissa Cunane
SF...Ashley Joens
PF...Cameron Brink
Bench players: C Elizabeth Kitley, F Mackenzie Holmes, F Emily Engstler, G Haley Van Lith, PF Jenna Stati, G Lexi Hull...
It would be the greatest basketball team ever assembled...does anyone think there would be pushback?
SC State is an HBCU whose sole purpose is to try to counter the low college graduation rate of African American students who, by a few centuries of intentional mistreatment in law, resulted in low percentages of college graduates.
But SC State also has white students.
No...Food for thought...I am asking a question to see if fans can see both sides of the equation...You mean pushback like you are giving Coach Staley now?
But they receive public funding just like USC. Shouldn't their student population reflect the community they serve?
Cant have it both ways.
Guess you favor reporations too?
If any coach intentionally only recruited players of one race- yes- there would be deserved pushback.
No...Food for thought...I am asking a question to see if fans can see both sides of the equation...
Again no one ever said DS didnt recruit white players. The original question was why none ever sign.
Maybe she busted her ass recruiting them. I have no idea. For some reason they dont want to play here.
That was all that was asked yet it turned into this.
They were created by the General Assembly to specifically give college opportunities to African Americans. They are serving their community.
A school specifically created by the SC Legislature to offer college opportunities to African American students, who are underrepresented with regards to college degrees, likely would not serve their specifically created purpose if the student body was made up of 85% white students.
The University of South Carolina's mission is completely different.
But answers were given.
Maybe the white players she recruited don't want to play for a black head coach. I mean anything is possible.
Your view on this is different than mine based on the fact that you work in an industry where the degree and where it came from doesn't matter. I think you'd see things a lot differently if you were in a different industry. I know I would too.They were created by the General Assembly to specifically give college opportunities to African Americans. They are serving their community.
A school specifically created by the SC Legislature to offer college opportunities to African American students, who are underrepresented with regards to college degrees, likely would not serve their specifically created purpose if the student body was made up of 85% white students.
At the bare minimum, it would be an oddly strange approach to meet their goal.
The University of South Carolina's mission is completely different.
Created to offer special opportunities to people based on skin color.
If thats not right in your face then what is.
Obviously you are correct we wont agree.
You still think groups of people should be treated differently based on characteristics they cant control and i see people as individuals who just happen to be white black short tall fat skinny and should all be treated the same.
And again maybe the atmosphere she has created causes those girls to not want to play for her.
Your view on this is different than mine based on the fact that you work in an industry where the degree and where it came from doesn't matter. I think you'd see things a lot differently if you were in a different industry. I know I would too.