You are making assumptions, based on YOUR experience with another case. Not everyone is wrongly accused and you have absolutely no proof that the girl was lying.
Oregon State registered sex offender pitcher is unhittable
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Well I have never had to face anything that happened to my daughter but my oldest son was killed by a drunk driver. He was coming home with a friend in high school when they were hit head on. So while I don’t have any experience with a situation exactly like this it is close.
I have been to the prison where the man that hit my son is and talked to him. I told him that everyone makes mistakes and that I forgave him. I also told him that if he accepted Jesus Christ I would be at his hearing when it comes up with my support.
I'm a Christian. I'm thankful for the grace that allowed you to do that. I really don't want to find out if I could summon up such grace in the same situation. I can be pretty hard sometimes.
You did the right thing, did he accepted the Lord's grace or has this man? We are to forgive but that's our role the offenders have to take the next step and some won't or just don't. It's one thing to judge others but another thing to follow the facts and there are still worldly prices to pay. I'm more concerned about how the child is doing and how he can show his face on a pitchers mound. Jesus forgave the criminal on the cross but he still was put to death.
He admitted to it when the parents noticed there was something wrong with the six year old. This isn't a her word against his. This was the result of a physical examination by a doctor of a SIX year old. Stop making excuses.
Sex crimes against children are not forgivable...sorry.
Does it matter? Raping children is NOT forgivable. People who do that can NOT be rehabilitated, and they will do it over and over again. Forgiving them does Nothing.
I'm not condoning that type of violence, in any way, no matter the age, but wasn't he also a kid when it happened? He wasn't an adult.
I'm a former 15 year old and I knew what 6 years old meant. Apparently MLB isn't interested in him and the child's mother says she has no idea how get is playing ball. Look, I hope this guy finds the path to God because without him he will do it again molesters can't be rehibiltated on their own. JMHO
C'mon my gay brother....15 yrs of age, you know the difference between right and wrong...this may not sound like a good analogy but I drove a school bus at 16 for Byrnes High. I was approved to drive at 15...are you telling me that at 15 I did not know what responsibility was? Man have times changed...they used to trust us with the lives of 50 passengers...but you can molest someone at the same age and it's just because he's a kid...I was a kid, and I knew that I had 50 lives depending on me....maybe not the greatest analogy but 15 yr olds know the difference between right and wrong...
I didn't know how old he was, just that it happened a number of years ago. Yes, 15 year olds know what they're doing.
I believe in 2nd chances and this guy is young (college age himself) and has cleared whatever punishment society deemed adequate .
However raping a child is just on a whole different level. I hate to judge this kid based on internet chat room rumors but if the details are accurate and he raped a 6 year old child why is he not in prison now?
That is a crime that I do not think can be rehabilitated from. It's just in their blood and given an opportunity it will happen again. I'm not sure what's appropriate in this situation nor does Oregon st. The only thing I do know is that if I were a gm for a baseball franchise I wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole
However raping a child is just on a whole different level. I hate to judge this kid based on internet chat room rumors but if the details are accurate and he raped a 6 year old child why is he not in prison now?
That is a crime that I do not think can be rehabilitated from. It's just in their blood and given an opportunity it will happen again. I'm not sure what's appropriate in this situation nor does Oregon st. The only thing I do know is that if I were a gm for a baseball franchise I wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole
Sure you would do that, but it would still be an admission of guilt. That is what pleading guilty is. A defendant can choose to plead nolo contendre which doesn't admit guilty but allows sentencing much like a guilty plea. Most likely the prosecutor wouldn't give him the plea deal without a guilty plea. It is an admission, there is no way around that.
What universe are you living in? "There is very rarely a reason for a grown man to be alone with a small child" is a bizarre statement. Lots of uncles babysit nieces and nephews. Older cousins with younger ones. Nothing about that is rare at all.
You are a rare breed my brother. You are a true Christian. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
Also we all know how screwed up the justice system really works in this country. If you are charged with a crime with a 10 year sentence, gamble with a jury trial and lose, you're gonna eat that full 10 years. Therefore the solicitor gives you a plea deal. How about no trial and you admit guilt and you get 5 years probation. Without being a rocket scientist most people do the math and accept the plead.
I myself, innocent of any wrong doing would take a plea deal like this in some circumstances .
I will tell you I would eat those ten years head on because their is no way in hell I would ever molest a child or plead guilty to molesting a child. I would let a jury decide my fate.
He did something. He admitted he did something by pleading guilty. Nothing more really to say. I just finished reading several news articles about his case. It was his brothers daughter. It must have ripped the family apart because his brother and his wife are now divorced. She stated he wasn't a terrible person but he did a terrible thing. He also, as part of his plead, had to write an apology letter to the 6 year old girl.
Does this sound like an innocent man to you?
I myself, innocent of any wrong doing would take a plea deal like this in some circumstances .
I will tell you I would eat those ten years head on because their is no way in hell I would ever molest a child or plead guilty to molesting a child. I would let a jury decide my fate.
He did something. He admitted he did something by pleading guilty. Nothing more really to say. I just finished reading several news articles about his case. It was his brothers daughter. It must have ripped the family apart because his brother and his wife are now divorced. She stated he wasn't a terrible person but he did a terrible thing. He also, as part of his plead, had to write an apology letter to the 6 year old girl.
Does this sound like an innocent man to you?
Hmm, doesn't it also say that tattoos are a sin and wearing mixed fibers are a sin? You can't pick and choose.
THIS can not be overstated. Not just for those on this board, but for everyone. And none of us will ever know all the details and facts unless someone involved makes it public.
Unjustified false outrage...just what the world needs more of.
I know I’m late to the party here, but how do know it was rape Kitchenlabs?
OK, you don’t. None of us know what happened or the extent of the abuse and we shouldn’t speculate.
I agree with you that perverts and molesters can’t be rehabilitated, but we don’t know that’s the case here. Or at least I don’t and I would be welcome to info you have supporting your opinion.
According the the court reports he pulled the 6 year old girls panties down and molested her inside and out. He wrote an apology letter to the child as part of his deal. He plead guilty and was to register as a sex offender for 5 years and attend counseling . I detail everything I found above in one of my post.
In your first post on the subject you said “I hate to judge this kid based on internet chat room rumors” and you’re still responding without providing a link or anything substantial other than internet hearsay.
Time to lay it down?
LMAO...JFFR you should probably stay away from religious topics.
No. It told the Israelites not to do that. It doesn't say those were sins. It also told them to make certain burnt offerings, keep certain holy days and other things that were not repeated as commands to Christians.
I should've inserted links to begin with. If you read 3 or 4 articles it gives you damn near every detail.
According to court records, the newspaper said, she told investigators that she was in Heimlich’s bedroom at his home south of Seattle when he pulled her underwear down and “touched her on both the inside and outside.” The Oregonian quoted the documents as saying, “She told him to stop, but he wouldn’t.”
As part of a plea deal, reached when Heimlich was 16, one of the charges was dropped and he was placed on two years’ probation, took court-ordered classes and had to register for five years as a Level 1 sex offender, a designation the state of Washington uses for someone considered of low risk to the community and unlikely to become a repeat offender.
Heimlich also had to write a letter apologizing to his niece.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/sports/luke-heimlich-sex-crime.html
According to court records, the newspaper said, she told investigators that she was in Heimlich’s bedroom at his home south of Seattle when he pulled her underwear down and “touched her on both the inside and outside.” The Oregonian quoted the documents as saying, “She told him to stop, but he wouldn’t.”
As part of a plea deal, reached when Heimlich was 16, one of the charges was dropped and he was placed on two years’ probation, took court-ordered classes and had to register for five years as a Level 1 sex offender, a designation the state of Washington uses for someone considered of low risk to the community and unlikely to become a repeat offender.
Heimlich also had to write a letter apologizing to his niece.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/sports/luke-heimlich-sex-crime.html
So you think the guy likes to be alone with small children for what reason ?
You wouldnt take him on our team? Thats your motto, win at all costs, right?
It is not completely black and white unless you are aware of all the details.
I am not defending what he did. He should never be alone with children again. However, unless he is to be exiled to a prison community or put to death, should't he be allowed into society somehow?
Molestation can often scar a person for life. However, even after it happens there must be some kind of recovery process for both victim and perp. Don't need a perpetual victim, nor a perpetual pariah. That being said, child molesters can not ever be trusted alone with children again due to astonishingly high recidivism.
How about the molesters on the Clemson team. Should they be prevented from playing college football for life? Or is molesting an 18 year old ok?
From what I have read, this kid completed some type of rehabilitation. Of course, it's impossible to know if someone is rehabilitated, but I will say that if we don't believe or support the rehabilitation of a 15 year old, what are we doing?
I don't believe in the rehabbing of any sex offender. I don't care how old they are. It just can't be done.
No I wouldn't and neither would many teams. Why do you think MLB haven't drafted him? He also never disclosed it to OSU. That's a big deal not to come clean. Also he may have been 15 but he knew what he was doing was wrong with a six year old. Shouldn't there be consequences for your actions? Like not be allowed to play college baseball. He didn't go to jail. If this was a situation where he was 18 and he had a consensual relationship with an underage 16 year old that would be one thing. But the girl was six.
For the ones who bring the Old Testament into it I'll say this, they would have stoned this person even at 15 yrs.
I've been weighing the various viewpoints expressed in this thread, but there can be no certainty attached to any of them outside of this excellent point.
Well that's a very specific opinion about what could be a broad type of behavior. That would be assuming the same of all mental illness in my opinion, which seems way too simple.
All the details? What other details was he forced at gun point to do this? He fessed up I'm all about forgiving but not about being naive.
