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OT- Tested my covid immunity

Balwiles

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Yeah but you said "They have duds", that is a claim. You need to support your claim. Pfizer has to support their claim that this vaccine is safe. That's a different subject. You made a claim that they have duds. What duds? Were any of them vaccines?
I've supported it several times. Bad meds are bad meds - regardless of the format.

You are a health care provider. If you are so confident on your position, why cloak yourself when you speak on these matters? You seem awful confident that everything is going to be cool for all ages. Own it. Start by heading back to your original screen name.
 
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Biden just said he was for waiving the patents on these vaccines. Probably bargaining for a multi million dollar seat on a board somewhere for his crackhead son. At least for that job, he does have plenty of drug experience.
 
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While I completely disagree with any provision that uses race as a determining factor this particular issue has been going on since 1999 when the USDA acknowledged that they excluded minority owned farms from a government backed loan program. This probably should have been focused on the people impacted by that acknowledgment as opposed to creating a new program which does the exact same thing as what you complained about.

In terms of the “canceling” claim I find it funny how often these people are able to get on air to complain about being cancelled.

That was in the 80s and 90s, and there was already a lawsuit, settlement, and payout over that. This is nothing more than a handout based on racism.
 

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Aren’t the vaccine deniers the “placebos”? 😉
Lol. You know better. But cute. I'm glad people who want it are getting it though. I am honestly surprised by the number of people who don't want to, though. I think some are just contrary and who want to go gains the crowd, and some genuinely believe the conspiracy theory level stuff. I met a guy today who claimed they were injecting microchips in people that imbed in bones. And he seemed to actually believe that mess.
 

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Lol. You know better. But cute. I'm glad people who want it are getting it though. I am honestly surprised by the number of people who don't want to, though. I think some are just contrary and who want to go gains the crowd, and some genuinely believe the conspiracy theory level stuff. I met a guy today who claimed they were injecting microchips in people that imbed in bones. And he seemed to actually believe that mess.
So you’ve met my brother-in-law...
 

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Yeah but you said "They have duds", that is a claim. You need to support your claim. Pfizer has to support their claim that this vaccine is safe. That's a different subject. You made a claim that they have duds. What duds? Were any of them vaccines?

Here you go. Believe there are more from earlier years, but this is a start. It's easy to see why indemnity was needed. And of course, there were plenty they had to pull before launch.

IMO, it should be reserved for the higher risk groups until a good amount of time has elapsed. Like a decade. Kids ~ They have virtually no risk at this point according to the data.

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PFIZER Lawsuits and Settlements​

Over the years, Pfizer has faced lawsuits involving some of its most popular drugs.

Courts have dismissed thousands of lawsuits against Pfizer. The company has also agreed to settle cases involving claims of illegal marketing and health care fraud.

PFIZER SETTLEMENT AND FINE

Pfizer set a record for the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind with $2.3 billion in 2009.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice

Protonix​

People are suing Pfizer over Protonix. Protonix lawsuits say Pfizer failed to warn about the risk of kidney problems. In 2013, Pfizer agreed to pay $55 million to settle criminal charges. The U.S. Department of Justice said Wyeth promoted Protonix for unapproved uses in 2000 and 2001. Pfizer acquired Wyeth in 2009.
LEARN MORE ABOUT PROTONIX LAWSUITS

Prempro​

Nearly 10,000 women filed Prempro breast cancer lawsuits against Pfizer. By 2012, Pfizer settled most of the claims for more than $1 billion.

Chantix​

About 3,000 people filed Chantix lawsuits against Pfizer. They claimed Chantix caused suicidal thoughts and severe psychological disorders. In 2013, the company set aside about $288 million to resolve these cases. One case settled for an undisclosed amount just before trial in 2012.

Depo-Testosterone​

More than 7,800 testosterone therapy lawsuits had been filed against manufacturers as of November 2020. Pfizer had reached an agreement with the consumers suing the company in February 2018, ending its role in the massive litigation. The lawsuits say testosterone products caused strokes, blood clots and heart attacks.
LEARN MORE ABOUT TESTOSTERONE LAWSUITS

Effexor​

A federal panel closed the consolidated Effexor litigation in 2013. Lawsuits claimed birth defects.

Zoloft​

A judge dismissed Zoloft cases in 2016. Lawsuits included similar claims to Effexor XR. The judge did not disagree that Zoloft caused birth defects. But the judge concluded there was insufficient evidence to definitively link the two.

Eliquis​

A judge dismissed a group of federal Eliquis cases in 2017. Injured patients continue to file severe bleeding claims in Delaware state court.

Lipitor​

A judge dismissed Lipitor lawsuits in 2017. Women who took the drug filed lawsuits after developing Type 2 diabetes. There is currently an appeal pending.

Trovan​

In 1996, Pfizer conducted an unapproved clinical trial. It involved children with meningitis in Nigeria, CBS News reported. The trials led to the deaths of 11 children. Dozens more were left disabled.

PFIZER’S UNAPPROVED CLINICAL TRIAL
The
unauthorized trial involved tests on 200 children with Pfizer's antibiotic Trovan.
Source: BBC News

Trovan is a drug severely restricted in use because of its potential to cause liver damage. Injury to the liver as a result of taking Trovan can lead to liver failure and death.

In 2011, Pfizer paid $700,000 to four families who lost children during the Trovan trials.
In addition, the company set up a $35 million fund for those affected by Trovan. Pfizer also agreed to sponsor health projects in Kano, Nigeria.
 
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You focus on the surface while ignoring root causes. It’s like putting a band aid on a broken leg.

And the Democrats solution, instead of a band aid, is breaking your other leg and both your arms. See, now everything matches. Extremity Equity. Not happy until everyone is broke.
 

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Yeah but you said "They have duds", that is a claim. You need to support your claim. Pfizer has to support their claim that this vaccine is safe. That's a different subject. You made a claim that they have duds. What duds? Were any of them vaccines?

Viagra Lawsuits​

For years, Pfizer has faced lawsuits that claim its erectile dysfunction drug, Viagra, led to conditions such as heart attack, stroke, sudden blindness or hearing problems. The most recent lawsuits blame the drug for melanoma.

Pfizer estimates Viagra has been prescribed to more than 35 million men worldwide, with physicians writing about 8 million prescriptions for “the little blue pill” in 2012 alone.

But shortly after the erectile dysfunction drug hit the market in 1998, Pfizer began facing lawsuits alleging it led to heart attack or stroke. Later cases claimed the drug caused vision or hearing loss, and in 2014, users said they developed melanoma.

Judges dismissed most of the lawsuits that claimed the drug caused cardiovascular problems while Pfizer settled cases implicating Viagra in patients’ loss of vision. But, as of April 2019, more than 900 melanoma lawsuits remained pending in federal court in California.

FACT
Viagra, approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1998, was originally designed to treat high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease.

Studies Link Heart Attack & Stroke to Drug Combination​

The first lawsuits Pfizer faced over Viagra involved claims that use of the ED drug led to heart and blood vessel conditions, including heart attacks or strokes. Judges dismissed most of these lawsuits as new studies found the drug may not be directly responsible for the heart conditions.
Instead, it was believed that many of the men filing lawsuits already suffered from cardiovascular conditions and were being treated with nitrate medicines at the same time. The drug combination was essentially “doubling up” on the medications’ effects, causing the blood vessels to open and raising the risk of a sudden drop in blood pressure during sex.

FDA Issues Vision-Loss Warning​

In 2005, Pfizer faced lawsuits stemming from an FDA-initiated change to the Viagra’s label regarding reports of vision loss.
In January 2006, a judicial panel consolidated the cases into a multidistrict litigation in the District of Minnesota. Men claimed that taking Viagra diminished blood flow to the front of the optic nerve and caused a vision-loss disorder called nonarteritic anterior ischemic optic neuropathy (or NAION).
Beginning in November 2009, the court dismissed several of the cases with prejudice (meaning they could not be refiled) because of missed deadlines. Both sides ultimately entered into a settlement agreement to dismiss all cases with prejudice and without costs afforded to anyone involved.
The judicial panel closed the litigation in October 2011.
Meanwhile, the FDA also found several instances of hearing loss with Viagra, and in 2007, it had Pfizer revise the drug’s label to include the risk.

Pfizer Faces More Than 860 Skin Cancer Lawsuits​

In 2014, a study published in JAMA Internal Medicine revealed a link between Viagra use and a potentially significant risk of new or worsening melanoma. Two years later, the FDA said it was “evaluating the need for regulatory action.”
Meanwhile, men started suing Pfizer, alleging the company intentionally “concealed material information related to melanoma development from potential Viagra users,” specifically in its commercials, online and print advertisements.
They claim that as a result men in the U.S. pervasively sought out prescriptions for the drug. But had the plaintiffs known the actual risks, many say, they would have chosen not to take it and, consequently, would have avoided its serious side effects.
In April 2016, a judicial panel centralized federal Viagra lawsuits in the Northern District of California, and the number of cases filed grew to 932. As of April 2019, 911 of the cases were still pending. Robert Eubanks and Edward Corboy Jr. were among the men who filed suit.

Robert Eubanks​

Robert Eubanks began treatment for erectile dysfunction with Viagra in 2000. Eubanks continued using the drug regularly until 2013, when he made the switch to Cialis (an ED medicine manufactured by Eli Lilly). On Nov. 12, 2012, Eubanks was diagnosed with melanoma on his back. The cancer later spread to his thyroid and lymph node under his left arm. Eubanks underwent surgery to remove the cancerous cells.
In June 2015, Eubanks and his wife, Teresa, sued Pfizer. Their complaint stated, “Had Defendant properly disclosed the melanoma-related risks associated with Viagra, Robert Eubanks would have avoided the risk of developing melanoma by not using Viagra at all, severely limiting the dosage and length of its use, and more closely monitoring the degree to which the Viagra was adversely affecting his health.”

Edward Corboy Jr.​

In 2014, Edward Corboy Jr. filed a lawsuit against Pfizer, claiming the pharmaceutical company “failed to adequately warn that the use of Viagra significantly increases a person’s risk of developing skin cancer.”
Corboy began taking Viagra to treat erectile dysfunction in 2008. In his complaint, Corboy stated that he had a biopsy performed on a mole on his neck in December 2012 and the results revealed melanoma. Corboy subsequently underwent a surgical procedure to remove the cancer.
Corboy asserted that “despite [Pfizer’s] knowledge regarding the risks of Viagra, it did not sufficiently warn doctors who prescribed or patients who were prescribed Viagra of the risk of developing melanoma.” Corboy’s complaint further alleged that his use of the drug over the course of several years put him at an increased risk of developing melanoma and for the melanoma, once developed, to become more invasive.
Finally, Corboy stated that he been properly warned about the risks of Viagra, he would have chosen not to take it.

Melanoma Risk ‘Rendered Viagra Unreasonably Dangerous,’ Plaintiffs Say​

Lawsuits assert that “Viagra is inherently dangerous and defective, unfit and unsafe,” and that “the melanoma-related risks associated with Viagra rendered Viagra unreasonably dangerous or far more dangerous than a reasonably prudent consumer or health care provider would expect.”
Plaintiffs say Pfizer was “reckless” in its promotion of the drug as a “safe medication for skin cancer patients” and that the company “knew or should have known, that Viagra increased the risk of developing melanoma cells and was significantly associated with an increased risk of subsequent melanoma.”

Cialis Claims Added to Litigation​

Cialis Pills

Plaintiffs claim that Cialis also causes or contributes to melanoma
People who took the ED drug Cialis and developed melanoma asked a judicial panel in December 2016 to add their cases to the Viagra litigation.
Manufacturer Eli Lilly was on board with the request — but only for lawsuits in which a man used both Cialis and Viagra.
A judicial panel decided to group the litigation together, based on the fact that the drugs work in a similar way and the lawsuits say they cause or contribute to the development of the same injury.
https://www.drugwatch.com/viagra/lawsuits/
 

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Such a dishonest argument. COVID isn't polio or smallpox. Those diseases have horrible, long-term effects on children. COVID has little to no effect on almost any child that gets it. Has nothing to do with "kinder" or "gentler" and everything to do with risk. The seasonal flu is a bigger risk to children than COVID. Even in the kinder, gentler time, people weren't rushing out to get vaccines for diseases that posed almost no risk to them.

Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths. You totally missed the point but that's all too common here. Kinder and gentler refers to a time when we trusted the science and not conspiracy theories. Nothing to do with comparing diseases.
 
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The onus is on Pfizer to prove that it is safe and that requires time. They have fast tracked status, EUA status and indemnity. If you are ready to tell the world it's perfectly safe for everyone, grab your kids, grab your dogs and let's have a vaccine party - have at it.

Why is Rychek4 and others such vaccine zealots? Just look at the reception across our country and the world. It's not nearly as warm as people anticipated. Do you believe he was a vaccine influencer on social media? Many have suggested the vaccine marketing campaigns are utilizing them. This is one crazy world we live in.
 

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Why is Rychek4 and others such vaccine zealots? Just look at the reception across our country and the world. It's not nearly as warm as people anticipated. Do you believe he was a vaccine influencer on social media? Many have suggested the vaccine marketing campaigns are utilizing them. This is one crazy world we live in.

No. He works in the medical field and is in close proximity to people daily. So he's cool with everyone taking a gamble on what this vaccine will do in various time frames in the future b/c he truly believe that the vaccine is the messiah and everyone who has it becomes bulletproof and thrives. They've already demonstrated this is not the case by a longshot. The COVID numbers don't come close to supporting it either, and we've got 15 months of data.

There are no panaceas. Everyone is unique. There are going to be different reactions that have to be evaluated over time. Injecting the world is totally irresponsible. It should be reserved (and optional) for the higher risk.

Outside of vaccines, MDs are much better at treating COVID than they were a year ago. There's plenty of options - just like HIV. There's also some pretty strong evidence that maintaining good Vitamin D status can cut your risk as good as anything available, and comes with virtually no side effects whatsoever. There's a reason the sun is in the sky everyday. Indoor living, especially at the rate Americans do today, is a modern day experiment completely in conflict with our ancestry/genomes.

Also, he's stated that he worked in the pharmaceutical industry in the past. There's a decent chance he received stock options and/or is invested in the company. If that's the case, vaccinating everything down to dogs and cats would be attractive to him as well.
 
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I've supported it several times. Bad meds are bad meds - regardless of the format.

You are a health care provider. If you are so confident on your position, why cloak yourself when you speak on these matters? You seem awful confident that everything is going to be cool for all ages. Own it. Start by heading back to your original screen name.
Okay, rather than respond to 4 different posts. I will just wrap it up here. None of those were vaccines. If you want to compare Viagra to a Vaccine then I'm just not buying it. Unless you have some statistical data to back it up.

To other points. This is the only screen name I have ever had, I don't work in the medical field. I am an economist that works in Mortgage banking.

I don't consider myself a Zealot for vaccines. I do believe science and I know these vaccines had trials with large amounts of people.

I think a bunch of people who are up in arms about this vaccine didn't bat an eye at getting the Tdap.

The problem with this vaccine is that it has become political the same way masks have. People have an ideology and anything that differs from that they consider a personal attack.

Lastly, you seem completely unconcerned with mutations and variants of the virus that could and likely will do much more harm than vaccinating people against the virus and putting an end to the potential for mutation.
 

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No. He works in the medical field and is in close proximity to people daily.

Also, he's stated that he worked in the pharmaceutical industry in the past. There's a decent chance he received stock options and/or is invested in the company. If that's the case, vaccinating everything down to dogs and cats would be attractive to him as well.
I've never had my own conspiracy theory before. This is kind of exciting. But no, I mostly program in R for statistical analysis of the mortgage market.
 

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Okay, rather than respond to 4 different posts. I will just wrap it up here. None of those were vaccines. If you want to compare Viagra to a Vaccine then I'm just not buying it. Unless you have some statistical data to back it up.

To other points. This is the only screen name I have ever had, I don't work in the medical field. I am an economist that works in Mortgage banking.

I don't consider myself a Zealot for vaccines. I do believe science and I know these vaccines had trials with large amounts of people.

I think a bunch of people who are up in arms about this vaccine didn't bat an eye at getting the Tdap.

The problem with this vaccine is that it has become political the same way masks have. People have an ideology and anything that differs from that they consider a personal attack.

Lastly, you seem completely unconcerned with mutations and variants of the virus that could and likely will do much more harm than vaccinating people against the virus and putting an end to the potential for mutation.

Would love to answer all of this, but you aren't being truthful.

I'm not going to dox, because that's not fair either.

Indemnity.
 
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Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths. You totally missed the point but that's all too common here. Kinder and gentler refers to a time when we trusted the science and not conspiracy theories. Nothing to do with comparing diseases.
Wrong. You just were trying to draw a parallel that wasn't accurate, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to mention them specifically. People didn't really trust the science more then, they were just terrified of those terrible diseases and took the risk because they thought it was worth it. With COVID, the risks to children is almost nothing, so many feel the vaccine isn't worth it, especially considering how new they are. People remember the swine flu vaccine fiasco in 1976. They have reason to be skeptical of new drugs. Over the years years, many have been proven harmful after time. Don't act like people should just be a sheep to "science", because science is very often wrong.

Not really that hard to understand. Not sure why you don't get it. The reality is that you do get it, but you think people are now required to assume the risks of a vaccine for the benefit of others. That's not how it worth.

Bottom line. Mind your own healthcare business. If you want protection, get the vaccine. Don't demand others to do it to protect you when you can do it for yourself.
 

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Would love to answer all of this, but you aren't being truthful.

I'm not going to dox, because that's not fair either.

Indemnity.
I mean, you can release the info if you want, cause it's not me lol. You fully have my permission to post the information.
 

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Wrong. You just were trying to draw a parallel that wasn't accurate, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to mention them specifically. People didn't really trust the science more then, they were just terrified of those terrible diseases and took the risk because they thought it was worth it. With COVID, the risks to children is almost nothing, so many feel the vaccine isn't worth it, especially considering how new they are. People remember the swine flu vaccine fiasco in 1976. They have reason to be skeptical of new drugs. Over the years years, many have been proven harmful after time. Don't act like people should just be a sheep to "science", because science is very often wrong.

Not really that hard to understand. Not sure why you don't get it. The reality is that you do get it, but you think people are now required to assume the risks of a vaccine for the benefit of others. That's not how it worth.

Bottom line. Mind your own healthcare business. If you want protection, get the vaccine. Don't demand others to do it to protect you when you can do it for yourself.
I took the vaccine as much to help others as myself and wear a mask for the same reason. I'm sorry that concept is lost on you.
 
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I took the vaccine as much to help others as myself and wear a mask for the same reason. I'm sorry that concept is lost on you.

I'll type this real slow for you to understand.

I took the vaccine. Only 1 in 13000 people who took the vaccine get covid. And that 1 person is very unlikely to give it to someone else. I am virtual no threat to anybody at the point.

The other people you are claiming to be saving are at NO risk from you. And they have it within their own power to get vaccinated and protect themselves.

So, your self-righteous gloating is worthless and nothing but virtue signaling.

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Would love to answer all of this, but you aren't being truthful.

I'm not going to dox, because that's not fair either.

Indemnity.
Again, just a reminder, you are free to release all my information that you have on me. I fully support this and give my permission.
 

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I'll type this real slow for you to understand.

I took the vaccine. Only 1 in 13000 people who took the vaccine get covid. And that 1 person is very unlikely to give it to someone else. I am virtual no threat to anybody at the point.

The other people you are claiming to be saving are at NO risk from you. And they have it within their own power to get vaccinated and protect themselves.

So, your self-righteous gloating is worthless and nothing but virtue signaling.

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I'm a senior citizen and have lost friends to COVID. There are far too many people who refuse the vaccine to feel safe especially if you have an immune deficiency disorder as in the case of my daughter.... I or someone else could give her COVID and still be asymptomatic. I can tell you're pretty young so maybe there's a chance your attitude towards others will improve with age.
 

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I could give a care what other people do to prevent getting the virus. I’ll do me and ya’ll do you.
 

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I could give a care what other people do to prevent getting the virus. I’ll do me and ya’ll do you.
A big part of what reasonable people are doing to prevent the virus is 1. get vaccinated and 2. encourage others to do it because we do not live in a vaccume and those who refuse to get vaccinated will keep catching it and spreading it to others. That is the issue with the “you do you, I’ll do me” argument you presented.
 

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I got the Pfizer vaccine. Wife and I were two of the first in Lexington County. So why did I get it. I wanted my life back. No more masks. No more shutdowns. No more social distancing.

Instead we get no more dancing at weddings. Schools still not opening. Threats of immunization lists and immunization ID cards and this fully vaccinated fool running around like this (outside):

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And these vaccinated clowns:

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Nothing like giving ammo to the masses with vax hesitancy more reason not to vax. Now thats leadership. This shit ain't funny anymore.
 
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I’m not seeing where large numbers are NOT getting the vax. In my area the majority of people, especially the elderly, pre existing and ones over 50 are getting the shots
 

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in general yes. But it varies with the individual. Some can get Covid twice.

If you really want immunity then get the vaccine. Check first with your physician because you have had the virus if this is appropriate.
I would like some direction as to how I can find published medical data showing patients who have had a "second, or more, cases of the China Virus". Thanks
 

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A big part of what reasonable people are doing to prevent the virus is 1. get vaccinated and 2. encourage others to do it because we do not live in a vaccume and those who refuse to get vaccinated will keep catching it and spreading it to others. That is the issue with the “you do you, I’ll do me” argument you presented.

Lifer, you do understand that virtually ALL medications that are released on the market have the initial "safe and effective" stamp from the FDA and CDC? The others, in which the waters are more muddied, receive the fast-tracked, EUA and inexplicable indemnity status.

And this is before they immediate list the 60+ side effects, many extremely serious, that can occur. And these aren't boiler plate disclaimers, they are unique to the medication at hand.

Whether they have issues at the 3-month, 3-year, 5-year, 10-year mark - the FDA/CDC/Manufacturer stamp of approval is totally independent of that fact.

Also in this case, the concept of minimal effective dose is out the window. Whether you are 100lbs or 1000lbs, you are receiving the same amount. Medicine should be customized to the individual to not only assist in efficacy, but also to minimize harm.

This week VAERs report is just out and includes another 39,000 adverse event reports following #Covid vaccines added to VAERS. That number exceeds ALL reports received for the past year. This is an FDA & CDC website.

Yes, I'm certain there is some level of gaming, just like in the election. But this latest report includes 9,200 deaths, permanent disabilities, or life threatening events. @cdcgov has not disclosed as of yet. There could be a reason over half of America is passing on this.

“The basic history lesson when it comes to vaccines and immunization is that there always has been a risk and there always will be a risk,”

~ David S. Jones, PhD, A. Bernard Ackerman professor of the culture of medicine at Harvard University.
 
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I would like some direction as to how I can find published medical data showing patients who have had a "second, or more, cases of the China Virus". Thanks
I think your problem is you are looking for something that doesn’t exist. If you look up COVID reinfection you should find what you are looking for.
 

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Lifer, you do understand that virtually ALL medications that are released on the market have the initial "safe and effective" stamp from the FDA and CDC? The others, in which the waters are more muddied, receive the fast-tracked, EUA and inexplicable indemnity status.

And this is before they immediate list the 60+ side effects, many extremely serious, that can occur. And these aren't boiler plate disclaimers, they are unique to the medication at hand.

Whether they have issues at the 3-month, 3-year, 5-year, 10-year mark and the FDA or manufacturer rides is totally independent of that fact.

Also, in this case of minimal effective dose is out the window. Whether you are 100lbs or 1000lbs, you are receiving the same amount. Medicine should be customized to the individual to not only assist efficiency, but also to minimize harm.

This week VAERs report is just out and includes another 39,000 adverse event reports following #Covid vaccines added to VAERS. That number exceeds ALL reports received for the past year. This is an FDA & CDC website.

Yes, I'm certain there is some level of gaming, just like in the election. But this latest report includes 9,200 deaths, permanent disabilities, or life threatening events. @cdcgov has not disclosed as of yet. There could be a reason over half of America is passing on this.

“The basic history lesson when it comes to vaccines and immunization is that there always has been a risk and there always will be a risk,”

~ David S. Jones, PhD, A. Bernard Ackerman professor of the culture of medicine at Harvard University.
quoting stats without context is irrelevant. The vast majority of the “adverse reactions” to the vaccine that are likely attributable TO the vaccine consist of a sore arm (almost as though someone had recent stabbed it with a needle or something), or stuff like a mild fever/ feeling kind of sleepy for a day. Horrifying stuff!

Additionally, quoting the VAERS report is virtually pointless- it is simply a compilation of reporting from any rando who wants to post a report online (you can do it right through the CDC website)… So if say, someone wanted to spend their time spreading lies and miss-information about the vaccine online(do we know anyone like that??) they could report an adverse event.. The information in the report is not verified. It also has no verification of causality. So, if someone gets the shot and goes home, snorts an 8 ball of coke and their heart explodes- bam VAERS report. Or if it is just an older guy who ate too many cheeseburgers in his life and dies of a heart attack/stroke within a few days of getting the vaccine… Anything like that can show up on VAERS. There have been hundreds of millions of vaccines given since rollout, how many of those people would have died or had similar health issues to those reported on VAERS regardless? There is no way of knowing- so tossing those numbers around without context or preface is disingenuous at best.
 
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Gamecock Lifer

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I think your problem is you are looking for something that doesn’t exist. If you look up COVID reinfection you should find what you are looking for.
Actually it is pretty easy to find- I think the most recent verified number of people who caught it a second time was 72 worldwide as of April. This is obviously very low, but indicates most people (like say Frank Martin maybe)- who caught it “again”, likely were never verified to have totally recovered from their initial bout with it… so, if you have it in Feb, quarantine, then test positive again in March/April? Your infection was not a second infection, you are just a “long hauler” and the symptoms came back.,, That is what happens most often it would seem.
 
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Dizzy01

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Actually it is pretty easy to find- I think the most recent verified number of people who caught it a second time was 72 worldwide as of April. This is obviously very low, but indicates most people (like say Frank Martin maybe)- who caught it “again”, likely were never verified to have totally recovered from their initial bout with it… so, if you have it in Feb, quarantine, then test positive again in March/April? Your infection was not a second infection, you are just a “long hauler” and the symptoms came back.,, That is what happens most often it would seem.
Psssst. I wasn’t trying to do the homework for someone who can’t spell COVID.
 

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quoting stats without context is irrelevant. The vast majority of the “adverse reactions” to the vaccine that are likely attributable TO the vaccine consist of a sore arm (almost as though someone had recent stabbed it with a needle or something), or stuff like a mild fever/ feeling kind of sleepy for a day. Horrifying stuff!

Additionally, quoting the VAERS report is virtually pointless- it is simply a compilation of reporting from any rando who wants to post a report online (you can do it right through the CDC website)… So if say, someone wanted to spend their time spreading lies and miss-information about the vaccine online(do we know anyone like that??) they could report an adverse event.. The information in the report is not verified. It also has no verification of causality. So, if someone gets the shot and goes home, snorts an 8 ball of coke and their heart explodes- bam VAERS report. Or if it is just an older guy who ate too many cheeseburgers in his life and dies of a heart attack/stroke within a few days of getting the vaccine… Anything like that can show up on VAERS. There have been hundreds of millions of vaccines given since rollout, how many of those people would have died or had similar health issues to those reported on VAERS regardless? There is no way of knowing- so tossing those numbers around without context or preface is disingenuous at best.

Everything you wrote here is pure hopium on your part. You can writeoff the FDA/CDC website if you so choose. It's the primary outlet for adverse reporting in our country - but it's all bogus? That's logical.

Unfortunately, there is no Mother Theresa branch in our government. It's a business. They manage risk and outcomes as best they can. Pharmaceutical Companies maximize profit to satisfy shareholder interest, while simultaneously trying to minimize risk as best they can. They know good and well there is going to be collateral damage in virtually everything they produce. It's all a matter of containment.

The problem in this case is that this containment doesn't exist. It's been written off by our government and it was rushed in a panic state.

I'm not going to start posting all of the issues these manufacturers have had leading up to this release, as it's not fair to people who have already received (A big component of medicine is psychological.) But you might want to look into it before throwing out these convictions/absolutes - especially given you are in the medical industry.
 

Gamecock Lifer

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Everything you wrote here is pure hopium on your part. You can writeoff the FDA/CDC website if you so choose. It's the primary outlet for adverse reporting in our country - but it's all bogus? That's logical.

Unfortunately, there is no Mother Theresa branch in our government. It's a business. They manage risk and outcomes as best they can. Pharmaceutical Companies maximize profit to satisfy shareholder interest, while simultaneously trying to minimize risk as best they can. They know good and well there is going to be collateral damage in virtually everything they produce. It's all a matter of containment.

The problem in this case is that this containment doesn't exist. It's been written off by our government and it was rushed in a panic state.

I'm not going to start posting all of the issues these manufacturers have had leading up to this release, as it's not fair to people who have already received (A big component of medicine is psychological.) But you might want to look into it before throwing out these convictions/absolutes - especially given you are in the medical industry.
I did not say that is is all bogus. I said quoting it without context or preface to indicate the validity of the source in an attempt to spread fear is disingenuous. I did not speak in absolutes and have said from the jump “drugs have side effects.” You are missconstruing my points to support your own POV. The side effects have been minimal for the most part and in line with the frequency and severity that was expected. Without causality or verification of validity behind the numbers the report is being used improperly by people.
 

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Psssst. I wasn’t trying to do the homework for someone who can’t spell COVID.
I know… I know.. I just thought reporting the actual figure was more deflating to the point he was trying to make than picking on his race bating name switch. 😂
 
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Balwiles

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I did not say that is is all bogus. I said quoting it without context or preface to indicate the validity of the source in an attempt to spread fear is disingenuous. I did not speak in absolutes and have said from the jump “drugs have side effects.” You are missconstruing my points to support your own POV. The side effects have been minimal for the most part and in line with the frequency and severity that was expected. Without causality or verification of validity behind the numbers the report is being used improperly by people.
Does 99% safe and effective ring a bell? We can pull that for context.
 

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The whole problem with CoVid is it’s been politicized in a weapon.

It’s neither the plague nor is it just a common cold. It’s something we don’t fully understand because we aren’t interested in understanding. We are only interested in arguing.

Here is my anecdotal tale. As an employer who as an essential service never closed, we had to be extremely cautious in protecting our staff and customers.

We had one employee test positive although they had zero symptoms. The doctor did not think they had it, but erred on the side of caution due to the test results. Stayed home a month to be extra sure.

We had a second employee with all the symptoms who was very sick. Tested negative at same doctor. Stayed home a month to be extra sure.

This whole thing is chaos because of politics. It’s real but not the end of the world. Just use common freaking sense.

yes, very political.. dems taking full advantage with no remorse
 
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