Didn't we finish above them in recruiting that year?
Maybe they just spent their money better than we did? Our recruiting was just smoke and mirrors because we blew our budget on a 5 star who isn't capable of playing the position he wants to play.
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Didn't we finish above them in recruiting that year?
Maybe they just spent their money better than we did? Our recruiting was just smoke and mirrors because we blew our budget on a 5 star who isn't capable of playing the position he wants to play.
There is no way Beamer survives this season.
He's lost the fanbase with a game we won. Just wait until we start playing SEC teams.
CARLEN was as big a mistake as Beamer.
NOPE. WHAT WAS I THINKING???? BEAMER IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!
Whether he SHOULD or not is a different debate.
But I think he will survive this year.
No way.
The only way he saves his job is if he pulls of 7 or so wins and then you could argue he shouldn’t an extra year.
But we are about to have another losing season. No way he survives it.
I think we end up with 5 wins.
But I think Ray gives him another year.
Not saying i endorse that, but it's what I think will happen.
If we blow a game to a patsy and don't get any upsets, ending 3-8, Ray MIGHT pull the trigger.
If we end up with 5 wins, I dread to see what recruiting looks like at the end of this season and next year. It will take an oil rig to find our football program.
BTW, USA Today says that Florida leads the College Football Misery Index, followed by:
Virginia Tech
Clemson
UCONN
New Mexico State.
Honorable Mention:
Michigan
Houston
South Carolina
UCLA
Shane said the O-line played a great game.
I think the voices that normally defended Beamer, who are slowly becoming more silent, speaks volumes.
Sellers being a generational QB was the one thing that got most of them through the offseason.
After Saturday they have nothing.
My response to Beamer would be the words of my old high school football coach:
"If you (Beamer) had a brain, you'd take it out and play with it."
“I know the narrative might be the offensive line struggled. The offensive line played their butts off tonight. All the gurus out there that want to break down the video, the offensive line played pretty good.
It’s easy to say the offensive line struggled. No, the offensive line did a lot of really good things and played physical as heck.”
I could see that happening unfortunately with our inept AD/BOT. But missing bowls in back to back seasons in year 4 is unacceptable even for Carolina's standards. And 5 or less wins is even more unacceptable. The problem is if you give him a fifth season what is the benchmark for keeping him? 6 wins and a crap bowl so his agent can demand another extension? No SEC team would pay Beamer more than $300k a year as a position coach and we're paying him $6M a year. And the fans won't show up. Probably won't show up if we keep sucking this season. At the end of the day though, it's obvious Ray nor the BOT care about the football program or the fans' wishes as long as the SEC revenue flows in.
Just curious to see who those voices would be in this forum because I haven't really seen many?
Most neutral observers are in a wait-and-see and let-reality-play-out posture.
When asked, none of the negative posters are able to put together any form AD thesis for why Beamer should be fired today.
That's primarily because there's meaningful reference point in our program's history to serve as a basis for the argument.
Beamer remains within one win of Spurrer after over 3 years now.
And once again, he's dealing with a more difficult situation (NIL/Portal, SEC East)
We have a litany of ugly wins and losses throughout our history. Spurrer had plenty himself - especially in his first five years.
Did we look good on Saturday? Not much. Defense was decent. New offense was weak, as predicted.
The idea that we're significantly worse off under Beamer than any other coach in history at this point doesn't hold water....at least not as of today.
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I'll let the season play out first but Spurrier missed one bowl in his first 3 seasons and they had six wins in that season (2006). He brought in a top ten class in his third season too. Beamer missing two consecutive bowls with less than 6 wins in years 3 and 4 would be hard to justify bringing him back. We aren't Bama obviously but we pay Beamer too much to not be competitive in the SEC and miss bowl games. That's also showing no improvement.
And there was a legitimate reason to believe Spurrier would be successful with more time.
What reason is there to think Beamer is going to get any better?
Agreed. Two straight losing seasons (if it happens) should be a final straw.
I just wonder if our AD would actually pull the trigger.
Why should he? The stadium is packed this year for a team that finished 5-6 last year. That means fans are okay with a losing record because they still pay up. Same rationale democrat leaders use with black voters. Why doing anything to make things better for them when 90% will vote for you no matter how bad it gets for those black voters?
Why give away steak when someone is happy to accept bologna?
If they continue playing like they did Saturday, apathy will take hold among the fanbase, causing a bunch of no shows. The hiring authorities will notice that.
A lot will depend on how many "no shows" there are regarding the games.
Agreed she is all about the Benjamin’s. Ole Miss offered big bucks, he went after that!
You can't have your best players walking out the door at the end of each season if you're going to be competitive. Spurrier never had this problem and would have quit if he did.
Sounds like a little gaslighting.
DLs have gained an advantage on OLs over the past decade or two primarily because of the spread offense. Plus, you now have very athletic edge rushes, stunt and bltiz packages, and an ever increasing emphasis on DL talent acquisition versus OL.
Outside of maybe a few like UGA who have OLs which sometimes are larger than NFL teams, it's now rare to see a QB in the pocket for much time parsing through receiver options. It's all about getting the ball out as quick as possible.
With that said, we certainly shouldn't have our QB getting sacked in a flash from an ODU 3-front.
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wrong.
And you are a delusional nut job. 7 wins with this season with this schedule, and he probably get an extension.
wrong.
And you are a delusional nut job. 7 wins with this season with this schedule, and he probably get an extension.
Like Rattler? Why come back? He was running for his life and had one receiver to throw to last year and very average running backs. He would have had no one to throw to this year. Yeah, he could have made more money coming back but his NFL stock wouldn't have improved. Shane is the problem. He hasn't been spending the NIL wisely on top of poor coaching and poor player development. By the way, you were the one that brought Spurrier into the discussion about Beamer in the first place. I think there's no comparison personally.
But that's the point. We don't seem to have the money to buy talent or retain it.
I've posted this before -- but if we had Lloyd, Wells, and Jaheim Bell on the field last season -- it would have been a continuation of the second half of 2022 with Rattler at the helm.
We wouldn't be talking about any of this because we would have won 7 or more games.
Rattler was probably the reason Beamer got the job and took the reduced introduction salary (to help fund Rattler.)
I'm sure the AD was looking for a quick infusion of interest because of what happened with Muschamp at the end of his stay.
It was clearly most of what we had to spend.
On ESPN Gameday Saturday, they were talking about teams spending $20-30+ million on teams.
There's no way we're laying down even 20% of those figures.
This is our biggest issue by a mile.
ODU took us to the brink because they still can hang onto players through their term.
They had a veteran QB, WRs and RB.
We had none of that.
Nobody knows how the money is spent. Most isn't public knowledge. Just people guessing.
This is good to admit.
Let's all remember this next time we try to complain about being outspent.
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I agree with all but Rattler being the reason Beamer got the job. When Beamer got the job, Rattler was still the starter at OU and nobody was thinking he was going to lose the job.
Having a crap coach is a big problem too. You brought up Spurrier first-regarding win total thru 3 seasons. Beamer could have never won an east title or 3 straight 11 win seasons like Spurrier. He was a career position coach into his 40s for a reason. If he was some coaching genius, he would have already been a head coach. VT didn't want him when his dad retired.
Spurrier sputtered until Season 6 and didn't win the East until Year 8.
He had a weak SEC East to feast on almost the entire time.
He didn't have to find wallets.
He wasn't losing his best players yearly.
Everything was different and Beamer remains 1 win shy of our best coach in history.
That's just the facts. I don't make the rules.
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