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Sadly, associations are low-hanging fruit and don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. I'd pay attention to the actual stats and what individual insurance companies are reporting. It's also been in the news on a regular basis.
https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/insurance-death-rates-working-age-people-up-40-percent
https://thehill.com/healthcare/4354...-covid-why-are-so-many-americans-dying-early/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...spike-in-deaths-among-younger-working-people/
https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
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Insurance companies hire a lot of actuaries. Actuaries help guide insurance company decision making/premium levels, and an insurance company chief actuary typically is a member of senior executive leadership at most insurance companies.
I responded to a post from someone that agrees with your views that said "actuaries have no skin the game politically.....they don't lie. Have no reason to lie...."
In response, I posted information from the Association of Actuaries & The Actuaries Response Group that specifically noted the excess deaths BUT said there was NO evidence in the numbers of excess deaths being due to vaccines. They cited various reasons that were in the numbers though.
and you respond by accusing them of lying. LOL. Some of you are very odd. So, two national actuary groups say they do not see such evidence in the numbers - and your response is not that you might be wrong- or you might not have the ability to read the data like professionals do - no, you just accuse them of lying about it. No wonder some of you are so susceptible to various conspiracy theories or believe social media posters or podcasts hosts that make up stuff. They just say what you want to be the case and you buy it.
Then you post 3 links. Well...
1) The 1st link you posted was an article of a life insurance CEO talking about the number of deaths they were seeing at the time. But he said NOTHING about vaccines being a reason. It's his company getting the data and paying the claims and talking to the beneficiaries. Yet, he didn't say a word about vaccines being a cause or even a suspected cause. He said A) covid was a reason for many of the deaths, B) he said people postponing needed medical care as a possible reason, C) he even mentioned Long COVID causing problems for people that could lead to death. Of course, we also know depression and overdoses were also a big problem for younger people. He then added that his company WOULD require all employees to be vaccinated before they could return to the office.
2) The 2nd link you posted is to a piece labeled "Opinion" and it's written by a member of the Frontline Covid group, a group that made all sorts of dubious claims, and even had multiple members of their own board eventually resign because they accused the group of releasing conflicting and unscientific information. (An opinion piece labeled opinion isn't evidence of anything). Even this piece very loosely cites "actuarial reports" (Doesn't list any actual reports that backs up their claims though) - and the actuarial groups say they see no evidence the excess deaths are due to vaccines in the data.
Also oddly enough, this piece cites an actuarial report. That report says nothing about vaccines being any cause of excess deaths. Still, I went and looked at that report. I found an interesting tidbit: The region of the country with the most excess deaths was the Southeast. The Southeast also had the lowest vaccination rate (counted as at least 2 doses).
3) The 3rd link is to the Washington Examiner, one of the most politically conservative papers in the country. Even they didn't say it was vaccine deaths. They attributed to various things and said vaccine deaths might be a factor that need more investigation, but they provided no evidence in the opinion editorial and even the Examiner made no specific claim.
4) The 4th link provides data about excess deaths over a specific period of time. I don't know anyone that doubts there were excess deaths. We had a global pandemic that killed millions, and caused millions more to be sick or miss or postpone medical treatment for other medical issues. We also saw worsening depression and drug overdoses skyrocket. But there is no evidence in this link about vaccines causing or contributing to any appreciable number of excess deaths.
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If you aren't able to interpret the stats (#4), just look at what many transparent countries are reporting around the world. Similar to the US, the UK had been hiding the data from their citizens. However, it's being reported this week they will have to disclose because of legal pressure:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ary-release-data-covid-vaccine-excess-deaths/
Also, please read the details of all of the large lawsuits Pharma has lost for bribing MDs, Insurance companies, and many others through the years. It's what they do. Those stats provided above are very clear on the matter if you take the time to do the math.
I'm able to interpret it fine. I love the headline to that link - "MAY LINK" LOL
It's like man demanding his wife to let him see her phone because "IT MIGHT" have text messages from her old boyfriend to her- and someone else saying that's all the evidence they need to know she's cheating - what something "MIGHT" have on it.
All the evidence we need to know you were going to rob the local bank is that your emails MIGHT show you were planning on robbing the bank. LOL
It's ludicrously funny.
Posting articles that speculate isn't evidence. Posting Twitter posts of opinions that speculate on data isn't evidence. Posting articles where someone requests something that "MIGHT" show something isn't evidence that it happened or ever did or would happen.
I know it's evidence to you and some others on here, but that means nothing to anyone that wants and relies on actual evidence and facts, not pure speculation.
I'm happy to stick to the actuarial response that I have posted a few times now, not what you THINK happened, or what someone else "claims might" be the case.
We MIGHT be able to beat the Boston Celtics. Someone will claim we can. But I want to see it first.
and that's enough on the subject from me. It's pointless when folks respond with speculation - or links to articles that are only speculating - or when folks like you post links to articles like you did above with the 3 links that don't even say what you claim they say. That's a huge waste of time and space.
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The fact that it takes lawsuits to get the data is very telling. Without a doubt, they are lying, just like Fauci lied about masks.
Didn't you just post you had taken your kid in over vaccine concerns? You can't wait for Jake Tapper to reverse course and come clean when it comes to taking a medication Dave.
No, that's not really the complete analogy.
It's like a man that has been cheated on by his wife multiple times asking to see his wife's phone because he suspects it again, and she tells him no and that he will need to take her to court to see those messages.
Just released. CDC was forced legally to release all information and (b(5) redactions) is what they produced. Why hide? What legal loophole allows them to do this? Who in their right mind would support these actions?
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Its bad and going to get worse. Will they reach their goal? Hopefully they end up in the statistics along with their victims
Chris Cuomo is currently taking Ivermectin daily because of vaccine side effects. Just think how many people were being influenced by his views on CNN?
Well Hell, if Chris Cuomo is doing it......
LOL
He apparently is taking a low dose not for active COVID. He's taking it for a supposed anti inflammatory response that it might have in some cases, in some people that do not have active COVID. We have no actual evidence it's even working for him for "brain fog" from long-covid.
Doesn't do a damn thing for COVID even Cuomo didn't claim it did.
Covid the biggest scam ever run and extremely successful. Thank god for the amazing “conspiracy” theorists. We appreciate y’all!! With dei taking over western medicine we have to take care of ourselves. Most blood is now contaminated with vax so stay ckear and clean.
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Please, please let them go on with their rantings. Certainly makes it easier to determine who to avoid and ignore when they are spewing their ignorance publicly so often. Life must be very sad for them.
He stated he's taking it for "long COVID" but the issue is that "long COVID" didn't exist throughout 2020 before the vaccine was released in 2021 and the unvaccinated don't seem to be impacted. However, MDs across the world have been using IVM (sometimes in combination) to treat COVID since the beginning and now are using it for vaccine injuries. The reason you remain confused about that fact is because the FDA, CDC and NIH needed to squash it order to legally push a highly profitable experimental product on the public at large.
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I'm beyond tired of this subject and don't plan to argue about it for the 10,000th time but you and too many of your fellow posters on here spew so many out-right lies. I don't know if you just make up crap, or it's because you read so much crap from people lying to you.
Long COVID was first described in the Spring (April) of 2020, long before any vaccine. (anyone with a computer can easily look this up). Articles were written about people suffering a very long recovery period from COVID and long-lingering systems- including- a now well known article in the NY Times on April 13, 2020 written by someone recovering from COVID symptoms she couldn't shake and described what we now call long COVID- well before any vaccine. (An article in Yale's Medical newsletter discusses it in detail)
Conclusion: "Long COVID prevalence was 40–60% lower among adults vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. These findings support the growing evidence that COVID-19 vaccination may be an important tool to reduce the burden of long COVID"
Vaccination Dramatically Lowers Long COVID Risk. Several new studies reveal that getting multiple COVID vaccine doses provides strong protection against lingering symptoms
Vaccination Dramatically Lowers Long COVID Risk
Several new studies reveal that getting multiple COVID vaccine doses provides strong protection against lingering symptoms
The effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in the prevention of post–COVID-19 conditions: A systematic literature review and meta-analysis
The effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in the prevention of post–COVID-19 conditions: A systematic literature review and meta-analysis | Antimicrobial Stewardship & Healthcare Epidemiology | Cambridge Core
The effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in the prevention of post–COVID-19 conditions: A systematic literature review and meta-analysis - Volume 2 Issue 1
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Are you still taking it? You are incredibly uninformed on this topic and are citing sources aligned with the Pharmaceutical Industry. There are vaccine injury hearings being held all over the country now and in SC. The Medical University here in Charleston has a protocol they are using for the vaccine injured. Beyond the spike issue, the unvaccinated aren't having DNA particle and SV40 inflammatory issues. They also aren't dealing with heart issues and many other problems associated. Pharma is attempting to tuck these issues under "long COVID" to skirt liability through the media outlets they own. Don't fall for it.I'm beyond tired of this subject and don't plan to argue about it for the 10,000th time but you and too many of your fellow posters on here spew so many out-right lies. I don't know if you just make up crap, or it's because you read so much crap from people lying to you.
Long COVID was first described in the Spring (April) of 2020, long before any vaccine. (anyone with a computer can easily look this up). Articles were written about people suffering a very long recovery period from COVID and long-lingering systems- including- a now well known article in the NY Times on April 13, 2020 written by someone recovering from COVID symptoms she couldn't shake and described what we now call long COVID- well before any vaccine. (An article in Yale's Medical newsletter discusses it in detail)
Conclusion: "Long COVID prevalence was 40–60% lower among adults vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. These findings support the growing evidence that COVID-19 vaccination may be an important tool to reduce the burden of long COVID"
Vaccination Dramatically Lowers Long COVID Risk. Several new studies reveal that getting multiple COVID vaccine doses provides strong protection against lingering symptoms
Vaccination Dramatically Lowers Long COVID Risk
Several new studies reveal that getting multiple COVID vaccine doses provides strong protection against lingering symptomswww.scientificamerican.com
The effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in the prevention of post–COVID-19 conditions: A systematic literature review and meta-analysis
The effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in the prevention of post–COVID-19 conditions: A systematic literature review and meta-analysis | Antimicrobial Stewardship & Healthcare Epidemiology | Cambridge Core
The effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine in the prevention of post–COVID-19 conditions: A systematic literature review and meta-analysis - Volume 2 Issue 1www.cambridge.org
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Agree. I think you're probably being trolled. If you check a few posts back, the guy who's tired of the discussion took his son over these concerns. Most everyone I know is aware of it now.
Again, you folks lie too damn much.
I didn't take my son "over these concerns." LOL. Being a liar won't help you.. Anyone can go back in this thread and read the post you referenced (It's post #11)
They will quicky see I didn't say anything about taking my son to the doctor "over these concerns."
My son was suspected of possibly having Wolff Parkinson White, a pre-excitement syndrome that some people are born with but turns out he didn't after a cardiac EP study. It was suspected before any COVID vaccines were even created. Has as much to do with COVID and vaccines as a golf ball has to do with tractor implements. It was first described in the early 20th century.
WPW is actually what is often suspected in many sudden deaths of young people, especially athletes because unless someone has an EP study (an expensive procedure in a cardiac lab conducted by a cardiac electrophysiologist), it can't be 100% identified. The first sign of WPW is often sudden death. Unless a young person (or anyone else) has an EKG and a doctor then spots the possible signs on the test, it's not even suspected. Many doctors believe the prevalence of it is increasing - and has been for decades. They also suspect is under-diagnosed. It also can't be identified after death in an autopsy, only suspected.
In addition to being a liar, you can't read. That why you and the rest of your nuts believe and post the non-sense that you do.
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You are a flat out liar and can't read. That's the sum of all the parts.
Sorry, your "bill gates is a psycho" conspiracy theory promoter Tweet source is only a reflection of your damaged mind. LOL
What are you talking about? The Pfizer document disclosing the side effects has been available since the release of the vaccine. They just made sure it wasn't readily available for public consumption until after the rollout. That's the kind of people they are.
The vaccines can exacerbate pre-existing heart issues and that's well documented too. Again, common knowledge at this point. The CDC has even reported on this.
"The Science" himself, Dr. Fauci, getting drilled today in Congress.
It doesn't matter if you have 50 credentials behind your name or are a homeless banjo player in Macon, GA -- If you incentivize an outcome (NIH vaccine royalties) and have the same people doing the medical studies who created the product (BigHarma) -- corruption and chaos will likely ensue.
It doesn't matter if you have 50 credentials behind your name or are a homeless banjo player in Macon, GA -- If you incentivize an outcome (NIH vaccine royalties) and have the same people doing the medical studies who created the product (BigHarma) -- corruption and chaos will likely ensue.
Government: It's safe, take it.
You: What is it?
Government: Don't worry, it's safe. Made by companies with criminal histories, including fraud.
You: That seems concerning.
Government: Don't worry, it's safe. So safe, in fact, we made sure you can't even sue these criminal companies if you are harmed.
You: That's illogical. If it is safe, why do they need financial immunity from harm?
Government: You are anti-science. It is safe, don't worry. Looks like to protect you, we’re just going to have to take away your job if you don't take it.
You: But even CDC says it does not stop transmission. So you are going to protect me by taking away my job because I won’t take a product that supposedly protects only me and for which I can't sue the criminal companies that sell it?
Government: You are clearly an anti-science quack. It is safe. Take it or you can't go to school, have a job, remain in the military, etc. Again, we are the government, trust us, we are here to help.
You: That's it, I am going to tell the world about how you are oppressing my rights.
Government: You mean on Facebook, etc. Yeah, we’re not worried. We took billions of your money to create a social media campaign against you and have also bullied those social media companies to censor you.
You: I think dictators offered more freedoms and were less oppressive.
Government: It is safe and effective. We are here to protect you. Trust us. If you don’t like it, use the power of your vote. Good luck choosing – they are your only choices. We don't intend to let anyone have a platform beyond a Republican and a Democrat nominee, on the debate stage or otherwise.
You: WTH
You: What is it?
Government: Don't worry, it's safe. Made by companies with criminal histories, including fraud.
You: That seems concerning.
Government: Don't worry, it's safe. So safe, in fact, we made sure you can't even sue these criminal companies if you are harmed.
You: That's illogical. If it is safe, why do they need financial immunity from harm?
Government: You are anti-science. It is safe, don't worry. Looks like to protect you, we’re just going to have to take away your job if you don't take it.
You: But even CDC says it does not stop transmission. So you are going to protect me by taking away my job because I won’t take a product that supposedly protects only me and for which I can't sue the criminal companies that sell it?
Government: You are clearly an anti-science quack. It is safe. Take it or you can't go to school, have a job, remain in the military, etc. Again, we are the government, trust us, we are here to help.
You: That's it, I am going to tell the world about how you are oppressing my rights.
Government: You mean on Facebook, etc. Yeah, we’re not worried. We took billions of your money to create a social media campaign against you and have also bullied those social media companies to censor you.
You: I think dictators offered more freedoms and were less oppressive.
Government: It is safe and effective. We are here to protect you. Trust us. If you don’t like it, use the power of your vote. Good luck choosing – they are your only choices. We don't intend to let anyone have a platform beyond a Republican and a Democrat nominee, on the debate stage or otherwise.
You: WTH
Apparently Sudden death's are commonplace now. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Sudden deaths have been common since human beings first roamed the earth. Sudden deaths didn't start 3 years ago. (This is common sense).
My wife's uncle died at 60 from a brain aneurysm 24 years ago. A picture of health until he wasn't.
Of course, one big difference (common sense too) is that nearly every one of them that occurs to anyone known by the public makes national news of some sort via social media.
Sudden deaths are also not unusual for people that in their 50s, and quite a bit overweight. Guys with nicknames like "Big Homie" aren't exempt.
Larry was known as someone scared to death of needles. Via the Los Angeles Times, he wouldn't let his dentist numb his mouth before filling cavities.
Time to hold these clowns accountable -- especially pushing this on children with zero justification.
They need to stand behind their experiments and quit lying.
They need to stand behind their experiments and quit lying.
Many believe they'll literally do anything to have maximum mail-in voting and confusion for the election.
Many also believe COVID was their tool against Trump in the 2020 election cycle.
Moderna pre-ordered a massive amount vaccines at the very inception of C19 before anyone knew the magnitude.
They had also run "simulations" in the months leading up to the pandemic.
Very fine individuals.
Keep an eye on this one.
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HHS Secretary Becerra just issued a PREP Act declaration for bird flu. This allows the FDA Commissioner to issue EUAs for bird flu vaccines, with no liability.
The US government has ordered 4.8 million doses of bird flu from the CSL Sequirus company, produced in dog kidney cells and using a dangerous squalene-containing adjuvant.
The AMA issued CPT codes for this vaccine last Friday, so doctors could be reimbursed for administering it.
There have been a total of 11 cases of bird flu in the US since 2022, all mild, most involving just conjunctivitis. None were shown to have been transmitted human-to-human.
Why would you need this vaccine, unless you expected a much more virulent virus to appear which had mysteriously gained the ability to spread between humans?
Will there be another lab-derived pandemic?
Many also believe COVID was their tool against Trump in the 2020 election cycle.
Moderna pre-ordered a massive amount vaccines at the very inception of C19 before anyone knew the magnitude.
They had also run "simulations" in the months leading up to the pandemic.
Very fine individuals.
Keep an eye on this one.
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HHS Secretary Becerra just issued a PREP Act declaration for bird flu. This allows the FDA Commissioner to issue EUAs for bird flu vaccines, with no liability.
The US government has ordered 4.8 million doses of bird flu from the CSL Sequirus company, produced in dog kidney cells and using a dangerous squalene-containing adjuvant.
The AMA issued CPT codes for this vaccine last Friday, so doctors could be reimbursed for administering it.
There have been a total of 11 cases of bird flu in the US since 2022, all mild, most involving just conjunctivitis. None were shown to have been transmitted human-to-human.
Why would you need this vaccine, unless you expected a much more virulent virus to appear which had mysteriously gained the ability to spread between humans?
Will there be another lab-derived pandemic?
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Good God. This is a horror show. The hanging question in COVID has been whether it was reckless or by design. Based on this information, it's looking more like the latter.
Kennedy deserves the Nobel Prize. Instead, he's got a target on his back.
He's a damn fruit loop nut job.
Read a story yesterday that even the Trump campaign had distanced themselves from him after Trump talked to him right before the RNC convention. If the people in the Trump campaign are trying to put some distance between Trump and Kennedy, he's a bigger fruit loop nut than the world could comprehend.
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I don't know how you could arrive at that conclusion. He was 100% correct about the origins of COVID, Tony Fauci, and the potential impact of vaccines.
Did you see the video of Trump talking to Kennedy last week after the assassination attempt asking Kennedy for assistance in figuring out what is going on with vaccines? Kennedy likely will be on Trump's staff if he wins. You're just not getting good information.
He doesn't get good info because his mind is still somehow tethered to outlets like CNN. Their credibility and viewership has never been lower primarily because of the big lies they've spun for years trying to protect a cast of characters in DC who have been up to no good and are now concerned about paying the price if Trump gets elected. They are scrambling and CNN is one of their main vehicles to try to right a sinking ship.
In addition, he's not very good at all when he uses AI. The current cut of AI is very imperfect and requires regular cross checking. Dave uses it as the Bible and ends up face planting on a regular basis as a result.
Sources with knowledge of the meeting between the two candidates and the aftermath, who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to reveal details of the private conversations, explained how over the course of several days talks between the two parties fell apart.
Trump first requested on Saturday to meet with Kennedy – the day after he was shot by a would-be assassin at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania.
The former president wanted an endorsement from Kennedy, who he thought was eating into his base of support. Kennedy drew 8% of the vote in the first Reuters/Ipsos poll since President Joe Biden dropped out of the race, and his inclusion added two points to Vice President Kamala Harris’ lead over Trump.
In their meeting on July 15, Trump attempted to persuade Kennedy to endorse his campaign, and cited the polling. Kennedy refused. Instead, Trump and Kennedy came to an agreement that they would make an announcement together about unity at the RNC, in the wake of the harrowing assassination attempt.
Trump’s team then requested that Kennedy draft a “Unity Government Proposal” which would outline what they planned to work on together, including vaccines and “government corruption.” They requested that the pledge also outline what role Kennedy would like should Trump become president again.
The source said that Monday evening, Kennedy drafted the pledge and sent it to the Trump team. Kennedy and his team never received a response.
“Kennedy was not going to endorse Trump, but agreed to drafting a Unity Government Pledge requested by the Trump team,” the source said. “Trump wanted something fairly desperately to make people think Kennedy was in support of him, but in lieu of not giving him an endorsement he agreed to the pledge. Team Trump was anxious to move forward with announcing the Unity Pledge before the RNC was over and was texting that Monday night with urgency.”
“Kennedy was prepared to do this pledge with Trump at the RNC and then conversations halted,” they added.
It’s unclear why the Trump campaign went dark. The Washington Post reported earlier this week that Trump advisers had “concerns” that Kennedy, who is a fervent anti-vaccine activist, would be “appropriate in such a job (such as HHS) and that such an agreement could be problematic”
Other reports suggest even Republican Senators would not be keen on Kennedy having a cabinet level post given his history of promoting questionable individuals and groups which throws doubts on whether he could be confirmed. A number of Republican senators are not fans of Kennedy's style or his opinions. Kennedy is also not known to be a team player and could pose problems for the administration or any agency.
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