Rivals 2022 Football Recruiting Class Rankings ... Clempson #36? Is that real?

[Lakecock1]

...and yet you chose to belittle....

Do you really think that athletic depts with guys on staff to specifically manage this, they would be a dumb as getting caught to having more that 85 on scholly?
And you trust outside sources for this info?

Where have I mentioned 'outside sources'. All of my data comes from my own research using Clemson public documents, articles, etc. And, YES they are dumb enough to think they are above reproach - especially when it comes to pushing that NCAA envelope.

 

[Lurker123]

Not disputing that. But, even using their current scholarship breakdown which was updated on 1/15/2022, there is still a discrepancy with the 85 scholarship limit for 2021.

The current breakdown shows 72 scholarships with the NCAA limit being 85. Using this to reconstruct the 2021 Breakdown, the following assumptions, additions and subtractions need to be made:

1. Every player on the current 2022 breakdown list was also on the list for 2021. So, assuming their numbers are correct, they currently have 72 scholarship players, 12 of whom are class of 2022 signees plus the 2 are were not included in the 2021 breakdown. (60)
2. Subtract the 2 walk-on QB's who were not placed on scholarship until Jan 2022 and obviously should not have been included in the 2021 scholarship breakdown. (58)
3. They are in error in stating that Xavier Thomas and BJ Potter who are returning as 'super seniors' do not count against the 85 player limit. They both can return to play, but the NCAA waiver regarding not counting against the 85 player limit no longer applies. And, since they were not counted as part of the 72 scholarship players listed initially, then they have to be added back in. (60)
4. Four seniors graduated and will not return in 2022 - May, Venables, Donnelly, and Johnson.
All were included in the 2021 breakdown. (64)
5. Eight additional seniors were removed (obviously did not graduate and are not returning) - Brown, Galloway, Price, Bockhurst, Spectror, Maddox, and the Edwards twins. All were included in the 2021 breakdown. (72)
6. None of the above listed seniors were the super seniors who were removed (Swinney, Upshaw, Foster, Skalski, Turner, Spiers, and Rencher), but did not count against the 85 limit anyway. (72)
7. Three players declared for the NFL draft - Booth, Goodrich, and Ross. All were included in the 2021 breakdown. (75)
8. Eleven players who were listed at one time on the 2021 scholarship breakdown entered the transfer portal - Jefferies, Lay, Ajou, Ladson, Phommachanh, Thornton, Patterson, Tchio, Dukes, Charleston, and Dixon. (86)

The 86 represents the total number of players listed at one time or another DURING THE SEASON on Clemson's Scholarship Breakdown for the 2021 season. Still one over the NCAA limit.

Not sure I follow. You mention "2 who were not included in the 2021 breakdown" in #1. Then mention them again in #2? I don't think you subtracted them both times though, so I think that part works.

But then you mention the twins, and count them as two, when they were listed as each having a half schollie. (Counting as one)

So the first time we were off by 2, and it was explained away with the two late additions. Now we're off by one and it's explained by the "half scholarships", whatever that is.

I'm thinking we're chasing our tails on this one.

In the end, I think you're whole beef is the half schollies. Since Clemson was very open about them, I'd be curious to see the reasoning behind them. Because they did a poor job of hiding them if it was cheating.

 

[Lakecock1]

Not sure I follow. You mention "2 who were not included in the 2021 breakdown" in #1. Then mention them again in #2? I don't think you subtracted them both times though, so I think that part works.

But then you mention the twins, and count them as two, when they were listed as each having a half schollie. (Counting as one)

So the first time we were off by 2, and it was explained away with the two late additions. Now we're off by one and it's explained by the "half scholarships", whatever that is.

I'm thinking we're chasing our tails on this one.

In the end, I think you're whole beef is the half schollies. Since Clemson was very open about them, I'd be curious to see the reasoning behind them. Because they did a poor job of hiding them if it was cheating.

The 2 who were not included, nor should not have been included in the 2021 breakdown were the 2 former walkon QBs who were awarded scholarships in January - after the conclusion of the 2021 season. IF their names were listed on the 2021 breakdown, then they were listed in error because walkons are not to be listed until AFTER they are awarded a scholarship. And, I honestly do not recall their names being on the 2021 scholarship breakdown that I was using for my base data.

I counted the twins as 2 because BOTH were listed on the 2021 scholarship breakdown. Both received a scholarship regardless of whether it was a full scholarship or a half scholarship.

And, YES, I have a big problem with Dabo awarding anything other than a full scholarship. A half scholarship for the twins was the equivalent of a 2 for 1 player deal. Dabo had a prior relationship with the twins' Dad. Can you image if he had offered 12 other players a half scholarship each, provided they were available? He would be creating an unfair depth advantage, and unfair recruiting advantage when it comes to PWO's.

Anyways, until I learn otherwise, having 86 football players on scholarship in D1 ball is an NCAA violation.

 

[Lurker123]

The 2 who were not included, nor should not have been included in the 2021 breakdown were the 2 former walkon QBs who were awarded scholarships in January - after the conclusion of the 2021 season. IF their names were listed on the 2021 breakdown, then they were listed in error because walkons are not to be listed until AFTER they are awarded a scholarship. And, I honestly do not recall their names being on the 2021 scholarship breakdown that I was using for my base data.

I counted the twins as 2 because BOTH were listed on the 2021 scholarship breakdown. Both received a scholarship regardless of whether it was a full scholarship or a half scholarship.

And, YES, I have a big problem with Dabo awarding anything other than a full scholarship. A half scholarship for the twins was the equivalent of a 2 for 1 player deal. Dabo had a prior relationship with the twins' Dad. Can you image if he had offered 12 other players a half scholarship each, provided they were available? He would be creating an unfair depth advantage, and unfair recruiting advantage when it comes to PWO's.

Anyways, until I learn otherwise, having 86 football players on scholarship in D1 ball is an NCAA violation.

Okay, the two qbs were added when I saw it, and the article was from december 15th, so they should not have been listed at that time. Hence the two extra numbers the first time around.

But I get what you're saying about the twins and the half scholarships this time around. I looked and found no article giving a reason for that.

Like I said though, they didn't hide it in the least bit, so I have to wonder why no one inside or outside clemson seemed to care.

 

[Flameout12]

All of my data comes from my own research using Clemson public documents, articles, etc.

...and yet you used Rivals as your source to count schollies.
You know....the same resource everyone else has. 😏

 

[Lakecock1]

...and yet you used Rivals as your source to count schollies.
You know....the same resource everyone else has. 😏

Please show me where I stated I used Rivals as a scholarship breakdown data base.

Look! IF you don't agree with my research that is fine with me. But, please show me where I'm in error or simply STFU.

 

[TigerSWU05]

According to 24/7 team talent composite, this year it was 10 five stars. One more from this year's class would make it 11. At least one is leaving for the NFL, so back to 10.

2 Left i think, I think Ross was a 5 * in a couple of publications, and Booth left for NFL as well.

 

[lowcountry_cock13]

As a Clemson fan, it is concerning that our numbers are so low. Understandable after the turnover in staff this year, you are bound to lose a few. It is hard to argue which is better because you won't really know until they play. However, for those that do not understand, you get a combined score for your top 20 committed recruits in your class. USCs top 20 make a combined score of 1701. Clemson does not have 20 to add up so their 12 add up to 1444.

The question is- why such a small class when Clemson isn’t using transfer portal but losing to it. Do they really retain that many players into 5th year to not have roster issues?

 

[punydevil]

The question is- why such a small class when Clemson isn’t using transfer portal but losing to it. Do they really retain that many players into 5th year to not have roster issues?

The small class is a product of having locked in on some targets who committed then bailed with the coaching changes and now you've already lost out on alternatives. I expect a small class this year and business as usual next year.

 

[gamecock stock]

Regarding our recruiting class, this is my take: you can go to the top of the page and scroll down and read the recruiting rankings and see that we rank low in the SEC, both in points and in average stars. That's not good.

However, in most recruiting classes, about 10-12 recruits are major contributors. I look at our class, including the transfers and see at least 10 players who have the potential to, one day, be ALL-SEC. That does not mean they all or even one will be. It does mean that this class does not lack for talent. Obviously, not all recruiting classes are equal. But. neither is "coaching". Thus, I believe our recruiting class is "good enough", IF the players get good coaching.

Am I satisfied with our recruiting? No. But, Shane Beamer came in as a blank page, an unknown coaching commodity, as he had never been either a Head Coach nor a Offensive or Defensive Coordinator. Potential recruits knew nothing about his capabilities. All they really knew is that he is the son of a coaching legend. However, the coaching graveyard is full of sons of coaching legends who could not make it as Head Coaches.

I do believe that after this past season, where Beamer overachieved on the field, winning more games than the "experts" predicted plus blew out favored North Carolina in a bowl game, Beamer will have plenty to sell to 2023 recruits. If we don't have a Top 15 class in the next recruiting cycle, I will be very disappointed. In fact, I expect a recruiting class closer to number 10 than to number 15, thus a Top 12 class. IF he brings in a Top 10 class, he will be making South Carolina a real contender in the SEC East sooner rather than later. I'm not being Pollyannish. I've been critical, as well as supportive in the past, including in this comment. But, I am no football analyst. I know little and claim less.

By the way, I'm not concerned about clemson's recruiting, just Carolina's.

 

[SHillTIger]

The question is- why such a small class when Clemson isn’t using transfer portal but losing to it. Do they really retain that many players into 5th year to not have roster issues?

They have been working the portal. They have been on talks with multiple OL targets. One was the starting tackle from Virginia but he decided to remove his name from the portal and stay. They are working the portal but not taking just anyone to fill out the class.

 

[Flameout12]

Look! IF you don't agree with my research that is fine with me. But, please show me where I'm in error or simply STFU.

Can't stand the heat....get out of the kitchen.
You're the one who posted: "Based upon your response, you obviously have no concept of how and when the 85 scholarship roster limit comes into play. "
While you're the one who seems to have problems counting to 85....while "forgetting to take a screenshot".
A screenshot of what? If you have access to all those sources you imply, you don't need "screenshots".

 

[Macc Maine]

Thinking logically tells me they are in the playoffs almost every year while we struggle to make even lower bowls. We need a sustained run again before you're going to convince me we do anything better than them. Your star comment is laughable and proven wrong every single year.

Again. I’m simply talking about their 12 signees vs our 20+ signees. If you believe that all 12 of their signees will pan out then you don’t know too much about college football.

 

[Macc Maine]

Regarding our recruiting class, this is my take: you can go to the top of the page and scroll down and read the recruiting rankings and see that we rank low in the SEC, both in points and in average stars. That's not good.

However, in most recruiting classes, about 10-12 recruits are major contributors. I look at our class, including the transfers and see at least 10 players who have the potential to, one day, be ALL-SEC. That does not mean they all or even one will be. It does mean that this class does not lack for talent. Obviously, not all recruiting classes are equal. But. neither is "coaching". Thus, I believe our recruiting class is "good enough", IF the players get good coaching.

Am I satisfied with our recruiting? No. But, Shane Beamer came in as a blank page, an unknown coaching commodity, as he had never been either a Head Coach nor a Offensive or Defensive Coordinator. Potential recruits knew nothing about his capabilities. All they really knew is that he is the son of a coaching legend. However, the coaching graveyard is full of sons of coaching legends who could not make it as Head Coaches.

I do believe that after this past season, where Beamer overachieved on the field, winning more games than the "experts" predicted plus blew out favored North Carolina in a bowl game, Beamer will have plenty to sell to 2023 recruits. If we don't have a Top 15 class in the next recruiting cycle, I will be very disappointed. In fact, I expect a recruiting class closer to number 10 than to number 15, thus a Top 12 class. IF he brings in a Top 10 class, he will be making South Carolina a real contender in the SEC East sooner rather than later. I'm not being Pollyannish. I've been critical, as well as supportive in the past, including in this comment. But, I am no football analyst. I know little and claim less.

By the way, I'm not concerned about clemson's recruiting, just Carolina's.

This is a great comment. SC has some good talent in 2023 and 2024 as well so he have a good chance to have a top 15 class.

 

[0007cock]

I think the gap may have closed some with this recruiting class and even more with the portal players we brought in..
If we best utilize players along with our guys returning, then hopefuly we will close the gap a little further next year..
I am just happy we are moving back in the right direction...

 

[GamecockWarrior]

They're bringing in a 5-star QB...and addressing positions of need.

So are we, dipshit.

 

[uscwatson21]

So are we, dipshit.

Except ours will only be for a year and theirs is for three years at least.

 

[Robhawk29]

Except ours will only be for a year and theirs is for three years at least.

Odd, didn't hear Spencer say that.

 

[gamecock stock]

Rattler could be here 2 seasons.

 

[uscwatson21]

Odd, didn't hear Spencer say that.

This naïveté explains the difficulty in having a good faith conversation

 

[NatChampsBak-Bak]

This naïveté explains the difficulty in having a good faith conversation

 

[NatChampsBak-Bak]

lol….a cowering spineless sCUmtater jabbering about “having good faith”!😂🤣

 

[Flameout12]

Except ours will only be for a year and theirs is for three years at least.

That's smug......how long did Hunter Johnson stay?

 

[uscwatson21]

That's smug......how long did Hunter Johnson stay?

If your argument is now that he could be a bust, would that not apply to Rattler as well?

 

[Squaredcock]

As a Clemson fan, it is concerning that our numbers are so low. Understandable after the turnover in staff this year, you are bound to lose a few. It is hard to argue which is better because you won't really know until they play. However, for those that do not understand, you get a combined score for your top 20 committed recruits in your class. USCs top 20 make a combined score of 1701. Clemson does not have 20 to add up so their 12 add up to 1444.

Do you think Dabo will jump into the portal even though he doesn't think any of those are starters at Clemson, his words?

 

[GamecockWarrior]

Except ours will only be for a year and theirs is for three years at least.

Moving the goalposts again after your stupid statement.

 

[uscwatson21]

Moving the goalposts again after your stupid statement.

Explaining the context you missed doesn’t equal moving the goalposts.

our recruiting class would be a lot better if we actually had a 5 star QB in it.

 

[carolinamyke]

Taterwatson back at it. Ha ha
This is daily. Actually comical at this point

 

[NatChampsBak-Bak]

That's smug......how long did Hunter Johnson stay?

Taterwatson back at it. Ha ha
This is daily. Actually comical at this point

it is funny as heck but I do worry about this pathetic tatertot 🤡! He apparently has no life whatsoever?😵‍💫🙄

 

[Concrete1123]

The question is- why such a small class when Clemson isn’t using transfer portal but losing to it. Do they really retain that many players into 5th year to not have roster issues?

This isn’t the first small class in the Dabo era! He has been a HC who has been 100% committed to the players he and his coaches have recruited over the years and their families” he will not recruit a kid unless he is free to choose and not committed to other schools “ He hasn’t annually recruited 25 or more kids each year to eventually replace them down the road for better talent so to speak. He believes in growing the kid in all phases of life through hard work and determination knowing as an adult and through his on testimony that adversity is relentless!! Everything built at Clemson, buildings, social media platforms, “All In “ Foundation and Clemson’s Life program while Dabo has been HC are examples of the culture he has built and the reason for most players staying at Clemson vs leaving Clemson!!
Dabo will give a less talented player a scholarship over a 4* or 5 * kid because of the effort and determination the less talented kid as put in, ROI!!

 

[GamecockWarrior]

Explaining the context you missed doesn’t equal moving the goalposts.

I didn't miss anything. You made a stupid, incorrect statement and when called on it you did indeed attempt to move the goalposts.

our recruiting class would be a lot better if we actually had a 5 star QB in it.

It does...pay attention. Last time I checked Rattler is a part of our recruiting class and was a 5-star QB out of HS.

 

[Flameout12]

If your argument is now that he could be a bust, would that not apply to Rattler as well?

My argument is that you're a dumbazz. There is no other explanation I can come up with.

 

[uscwatson21]

I didn't miss anything. You made a stupid, incorrect statement and when called on it you did indeed attempt to move the goalposts.

it appears you completely missed the point.

It does...pay attention. Last time I checked Rattler is a part of our recruiting class and was a 5-star QB out of HS.

Transfers aren’t really part of the recruiting class. It’s a different thing as much as people want to ignore that fact.

Hunter Johnson was a 5 star QB out of high school. So I guess Clemson has two 5 star QBs. See how dumb that sounds?

 

[hillstosea]

This isn’t the first small class in the Dabo era! He has been a HC who who has been 100% committed to the players he and his coaches have recruiting over the years and their families” he will not recruit a kid unless he is free to choose and not committed to other schools “ He hasn’t annually recruited 25 or more kids each year to eventually replace them down the road for better talent so to speak. He believes in growing the kid in all phases of life through hard work and determination knowing as a adult and through his on testimony that adversity is relentless!! Everything built at Clemson, buildings, social media platforms, “All In “ Foundation and Clemson’s Life program while Dabo has been HC are examples of the culture he has built and the reason for most players staying at Clemson vs leaving Clemson!!
Dabo will give a less talented player a scholarship over a 4* or 5 * kid because of the effort and determination the less talented kid as put in, ROI!!

I don’t disagree with any of what you said. I also think Beamer is a man of character and will take the Gamecocks to a higher level

 

[GamecockWarrior]

it appears you completely missed the point.

Again...no I didn't.

Transfers aren’t really part of the recruiting class. It’s a different thing as much as people want to ignore that fact.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Really dude?

 

[Macc Maine]

Explaining the context you missed doesn’t equal moving the goalposts.

our recruiting class would be a lot better if we actually had a 5 star QB in it.

But we do have a 5 star in it. His name is Spencer.

 

[FORKCOCK]

Taterwatson back at it. Ha ha
This is daily. Actually comical at this point

Why does this site allow this tater to screw up every thread?

 

[THMoore100]

With a larger class you have a better chance of finding the players that slip through and had a bad rating. You have a better chance of turning those players into draft eligible, contributors. BUT, the class as a whole, ours is just as good. Could be wrong tho.

 

[Lurker123]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Really dude?

I get this may be a personal thing going between you guys, but we've had threads here discussing how transfers aren't the same as recruits and how it now totally screws up recruiting rankings because of how to judge them.

 

[uscwatson21]

But we do have a 5 star in it. His name is Spencer.

He's actually a 4 star transfer.

But that's beside the point. There is a difference between high school recruiting and transfers. You need to recruit well at the high school level and supplement it with transfers. You can't live off transfers and try to supplement it with high school kids.