Satterfield should never have been hired in the first place.
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Beamer was hired for cheap…sc wasn’t getting a proven offensive coordinator for they were going to pay. That simple
Coaches often play who they're familiar with. Muschamp did it. Bobo did it. Even Mullen has been accused of it this year.
Hilinski was never going to be a Heisman candidate. But he was also never given the opportunity to succeed under Bobo.
Sorry if you don't see it.
Even if so, did it make sense to hire someone whose offenses never averaged over 400 yards per game while he was offensive coordinator? Satterfield is not proven either. Hell, I would have hired Coastal Carolina's Offensive Coordinator. They are 8th in the nation in Total Offense. And I guarantee you we could have afforded him. I do agree though that Beamer was hired for cheap.
No, he didn't. We had a handful of really good games running the ball. The rest of the time we sucked at it, just like this year. Bobo's offense was terrible and part of the reason we fired Muschump. And that was with his veteran QB that he brought with him and a NFL quality receiver.
A little luck would be the best answer. After Napier, he hired a little known coach one year out of the HS ranks that had the same offensive philosophy that Dabo had. As far as DC he hired a SC native in Kevin Steele who wanted to be back in South Carolina....he did a good job until the infamous Orange Bowl. Both were rather forunate hires.
Some coaches just operate that way (e.g. calling players out). I have no qualms with it when its true.
How many good offensive games have we had against Power 5 teams offensively this year?
1 game. Just the one. As opposed to the 4 or 5 games where we had a good offensive outing last year. Thanks for proving my point.
vs Georgia/Florida/Vandy/Kentucky/MIzzou/TAMU/Tennessee
139 total points last year
146 total points this year
Not sure where people are getting such fond memories of last year. Last year sucked as bad as this year.
Exactly.
And to be fair, Bobo didn’t actually “call out” Hilinski. As I remember in essence he was asked if he’d seen any of RH’s film, and what he thought....paraphrasing he said from watching film he had footwork issues, and he was looking forward to working with him to correct them.
He still has the same issues, even after being filmed getting lessons from Garcia on....footwork.
Mechanical issues can be tough to cure.
Nor do I usually. But Bobo hadn't even met the kid yet. And THEN he brings his own failed QB with him. THEN he spent all last season running down Hilinski behind the scenes while his chosen one stunk up the joint week after week..
That's just not a good look no matter how you slice it.
You are right. It is unbelievable. At the time the main rumor was that Tanner told Beamer he had to take Bobo - to save money. That was later denied and multiple people (insiders) have said Beamer wanted him to be OC. I don't know what to believe.
I believe the first part to be true (whether it was Tanner or General Disarray, IDK). The second part sounds like first class ass-covering.
I don't think he fires anyone. The real cure is in recruiting. The only thing that will save Beamer from this being his only HC job is if he can recruit top players. I predicted a 4-8 season, so far they have a better record than I thought. If they find a way to win one of their last two games, a miracle if they do, will have to give Beamer credit.
You do realize the decision was to keep Mike Bobo, and then 2 weeks after signing a new contract he tells Shane he wants to go to Auburn. Pretty much everyone we had targeted was locked into a contract at the time. Couple that with Covid shorting the AD $$ and having to pay Muschamp's buyout means we went a bit cheap amongst VERY limited options. Honestly I think Satterfield did Shane a favor by taking this position rather than Shane doing him the favor by offering the job.
Beamer wasn’t the only one told to retain Bobo which is what drew the process out long enough for Beamer to be pushed in as he was willing to do whatever to get the job.
Be glad we don't have Bozo. He had more healthy talent and produced worse results.
This all sounds completely reasonable. But it then leads one to question why a different choice isn't to be made this year, when all those circumstances have changed, and Satterfield has shown he's not capable.
Meaning I'd buy that story, but nit if he's retained this year.
You hit the nail on the head. Shane did a snow job on Tanner and the bot and none of it has panned out. Let's hope he gets the VA tech job where he can hire his dad to be the special teams coach. Good to see spurrier, Dan mullens and Shane are such good friends that they were spotted having dinner at steak house together after the game.
Tis true. But - I don't think this hire is SB's fault. Whether he is a close friend, part of his wedding, etc. That doesn't matter to me....the issue I have is that our admin in charge hired a HC that can't and couldn't attract a decent OC candidate. That's a huge issue, and will continue to be a problem. I just have no idea why J. Steppe came here. I think that dude is great....but his leaving K. Briles offense for this nightmare makes me question his sanity.
Right...the ONLY bright spot in Dec. 2020 hiring of S. Beamer was that he would bring an exciting and attractive offense to town. Did anybody see the Tennessee -SC game this year? Anyway....when he made some early statements of what "his" offense would be I worried heavily....and it has only gotten worse. There are lots of Air Raid guys out there....and he couldn't or didn't want to bring any of them on board to run the offense because he thought what Oklahoma has been doing the last 20 years hasn't been productive enough? Sheesh.
good god....smdh.
Dabo is/was/has never been/never will be anything close to Shane Beamer....unfortunately for all of "us" who are Gamecock fans.
Venables was run out of Norman because he had a couple years where top offenses couldn't be stopped. He needed a job....and could've gone a few places but landing in weak as water ACC and Clemson was his best move ever.
I absolutely hate these historically STUPID Clemson/Dabo comparisons to Shane Beamer and South Carolina. I think Shane's family has been dispatched on FGF to promote his shortcomings as positives.
Note to the SB family: The Big East sucks (sucked) and the ACC sucks (and sucked). Frank would've been fired in 2-3 years if he coached in a male football league in the late 80s through 2000s. Sorry but true.
LOL...yeah I'll say Bobo is not a mobile QB guy. He didn't think D. Watson or M. Rudolph were much...he opted to go with the Stratford QB. SMH....what a fool he is. If that idiot would've had enough sense to take Watson...and let Park go to ECU or wherever he belonged....Clemson wouldn't have gotten a generational QB....and maybe then wouldn't have gotten T. Lawrence because there would be no recent NC. So....IMO Bobo owes South Carolina 24.9 million dollars by 2023 for emotional distress.
He also mentioned Jeff Scott and Tony Elliot. Neither of those were top coordinators attracted by money. They came up the ranks at Clemson, if my memory serves.
That's what I thought all along. But I can tell you that I have asked several people who actually know what happened about this, and they deny it. They claim that Beamer wanted Bobo to be OC and gave him free reign to hire his own offensive line coach. They got a better deal and bolted to Auburn. (Actually, the deal wasn't that much better, but they felt coaching at Auburn would be better for their career.)
I don't understand why we court these old Georgia coaches and players. I know they are professionals, but deep inside you have to wonder where their loyalties lie. If Beamer can get his staff straightened out (on offense) I think he will be a good coach because he wants to be a Gamecock.
I don’t doubt that Beamer said he wanted Bobo. I’m pretty sure those conversations about Bobo’s involvement were had long before he started getting the big push to the job. Considering what he ended up with Bobo would have been a better choice.
That said Tanner’s first choice was also pressured to retain Bobo which drug the negotiations out. Then when that was worked out the BOT got personally involved in the deal and killed it. Whether that was because of Tanner and the Muschamp mess or someone trying to kill the deal so Beamer would be the pick is unknown.
I do like Shane and I think everyone is going to have to understand we’re getting growing pains. He does want to be her and he does want to succeed and he is going to make mistakes. He made a bad last minute OC hire and I don’t see if getting remedied at the end of this season. Whether it ultimately works out or not who knows but we’re all going to watch the mistakes and successes he has while trying to figure out the HC thing.
It was Napier. I thought that was pretty well known at this point.
Ah, okay. I assumed. But I sometimes hear different things from different people. Thanks.
I like how this is going to be the narrative with no indication it’s even remotely true.
The timeline is important when you look at the hires Beamer made.
1. Jan 7, 2021 - Bobo announced as new OC at Auburn at $1.3M per year
2. Jan 7, 2021 - Satterfield announced as new OC at South Carolina at $900K per year for 2 years
3. Jan 15, 2021 - BOT approves salary increase for RB Coach, Des Kitchings from $300K to $420K per year for 2 years
4. Jan 28, 2021 - Atlanta Falcons hire Des Kitchings as RB coach (salary unknown, but assistant coaches in the NFL, especially in their first stint, do not make what Des would have made at USC)
5. Feb 5, 2021 - Montario Hardesty announced as new RB at South Carolina at $300K per year
Does it look like Beamer really put a lot of thought into these hires?
Does anyone think think that Satterfield was a better hire at OC than even Des Kitchings?
Des has ties to the state, was an excellent recruiter within our recruiting footprint, had been an AHC in charge of the running game at NC State for several years, had been a Co- OC at NC State in charge of the RB's, showed he was a good RB coach in his first year at USC, and was one of the coaches retained by Beamer from the previous staff, so he was already here and an excellent fit regarding the culture that Beamer was trying to build at USC.
Kitchings bolted for the Falcons because he was pissed, IMHO. Once Bobo bolted, what did Beamer do? He probably made one phone call to the last person on his list and hired his old friend on the spot. That was an emotional reaction in what can only be described as an 'I will show you' moment that only a rookie HC would make. There is simply no way in Hell that Beamer put a lot of thought or effort into replacing Bobo. He would have been better served promoting Des to OC in charge of the RB's, and then would have only needed to hire a QB coach.
There is certainly enough indication from multiple sources that Tanner and Napier had more or less come to an agreement. There were some stumbling blocks but those had been worked through and things were in place before the BOT took a more active role.
Sure there will be no release from the school about this and no one connected to it now is going to go on the record and discuss but depending on how things go with Beamer it will likely get out as time goes on. If Beamer works out someone within the department will tell it like we almost missed out because of Tanner and if he doesn’t then someone will tell it like Tanner took the fall because he couldn’t get his guy.
My guess is in about 3 years one way or the other it will likely be part of the story.
