We've had our problems with Miz but I remember beating Kentucky a lot more often.
So Sad for SC Football
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Wouldn't you say the same about most any one of our coaches not named Spurrier? 🙂
The Spurrier era was great, but it also left Gamecock fans delusional.
He was a Lucky Charm.
Not only did our State happen to have the best recruits in the country at that time, the SEC East was a disaster compared to what it is today.
Plus, no NIL and portal madness to content with.
It was the perform storm and a great period to make some noise.
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SEC EAST 2011-2013
+ Kentucky was terrible
+ Tennessee was terrible
+ Florida had Muschamp running them into the ground in 2011 & 2013.
+ Vanderbilt was halfway decent for two of the three.
+ Georgia was good and dripping with talent. but Mark Richt was doing less with more as usual.
| 2011 | ||||||||||||
| No. 19 Georgia x | 7 | – | 1 | 10 | – | 4 | ||||||
| No. 9 South Carolina | 6 | – | 2 | 11 | – | 2 | ||||||
| Florida | 3 | – | 5 | 7 | – | 6 | ||||||
| Vanderbilt | 2 | – | 6 | 6 | – | 7 | ||||||
| Kentucky | 2 | – | 6 | 5 | – | 7 | ||||||
| Tennessee | 1 | – | 7 | 5 | – | 7 |
| 2012 | ||||||||||||
| No. T–5 Georgia xy | 7 | – | 1 | 12 | – | 2 | ||||||
| No. 9 Florida x% | 7 | – | 1 | 11 | – | 2 | ||||||
| No. 8 South Carolina | 6 | – | 2 | 11 | – | 2 | ||||||
| No. 23 Vanderbilt | 5 | – | 3 | 9 | – | 4 | ||||||
| Missouri | 2 | – | 6 | 5 | – | 7 | ||||||
| Tennessee | 1 | – | 7 | 5 | – | 7 | ||||||
| Kentucky | 0 | – | 8 | 2 | – | 10 |
Yes, I agree with you, he flat out lied. I remember clearly when he said that.
A key line in that post is the following:
"I've been assured on the other site that we would have given him whatever he needed to get them."
Good OCs go for more than what we were paying Beamer as a head coach at the time.
Kudos. This is one hell of a post. It should be pinned at the top of all Carolina Forums.
We moved from Texas to Alabama right before the 3rd grade, about the time I started getting interested in football. My classmates made me choose between Alabama or Auburn. I had never heard of Auburn (my dad was the Carolina grad, my mom graduated from Oklahoma) I went with Alabama. Became a huge fan. Had about 5 Tide jerseys. When I moved to Florida I stayed a Bama fan. When I moved to Missouri I stayed a Bama fan. My first wife had run off with a biker gang and left me with a 3 year old and a 1 year old. I felt I needed help so moved in with my parents who lived in Greenwood at the time. I was 24 and still a Bama fan. I was used to winning national championships. But I was also a college football fan. The east upper had just been built and dad bought 12 season tickets and I started attending games. We were independent at the time but played teams like Miami, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Nebraska and the like. Of course I was pulling for Carolina during those games. I was glad we went to the SEC because that WAS college football for me. I could never get excited about playing a bunch of basketball schools because I prefer football. Then Alabama came to town and I wanted to kick their A**. Then and only then did I realize I had become a Gamecock. And still am today. I've seen first hand how schools that are serious about winning operate. Morrison had us #2 in the nation. Holtz beat Alabama and Ohio State. Spurrier, well, we know what he did. Back then I had no doubt the admin was serious about winning. I don't have that feeling anymore. And I want it so bad for Carolina. And for my dad who's in his 90's. But the biggest difference is the fans. Too many tea and crumpets fans. Fans who want back in the ACC. Alabama doesn't have fans like that. I don't think Georgia has fans like that. Hell, I doubt if Mississippi State does either. A lot of fans have the program they deserve. The rest of us do not.
Half of em. 80%???
As for market we are in a capitol city, and relatively in the Charlotte TV market. We aren’t exactly Wyoming. And being in a dedicated campus vs a city campus is irrelevant. Ohio State, Texas, Southern Cal, Pitt, Ga Tech, Washington, Miami, and many more, are in huge cities and have won national championships.
Meaning outrecruit us. Better is an objective word. I should have gone with something different.
Thanks for the insight, Jacque. You've had an interesting ride
The "serious about winning" honestly is a silly line that fans use to try to degrade other fans who look at the entire picture and realize we don't have the resources to consistently compete in the SEC upper half. It's just reality and the NIL has made it even more of a reality.
I've posted on Spurrier's time above. Even with all of the stars aligning and not having to deal with The-Best-Teams-Money-Can-Buy, we still never even won the SEC East. The odds that this will happen are probably well under 5% and the idea that we can keep switching out head coaches and paying that heavy toll to do so is a total pipedream.
I wish it was different, but as one poster mentioned the other day -- we would be far better off in the ACC when it comes to Football. When you think of those teams, their resources, the city they are located in, etc, etc....they are far more on par with us than the SEC teams. We were brought into the conference as punching bags for the blue bloods and we've played our role for the most part.
And just to add: Duke is doing it. Baylor and Stanford and Northwestern have won conference championships. Wofford is the smalest school In Division 1 and Mike Ayers won the SoCon like 8 times against huge state funded programs like App State, UTC, etc
So I guess we are the only program who can’t overcome obstacles.
In before “like to see em do it with an SEC schedule”……well we have SEC resources and SEC players so thats no exuse to drop to Vandy caliber play
So I guess we are the only program who can’t overcome obstacles.
In before “like to see em do it with an SEC schedule”……well we have SEC resources and SEC players so thats no exuse to drop to Vandy caliber play
Fair enough. Beamer was hired solely for his elite recruiting. He literally had no other real qualification
I'm not here to defend Beamer as much as to defend reality.
Reality is that we're not switching coaches anytime soon.
“Far superior” no, I dont, at least not before 2021. They were better yes. On a scale of 1-10 Athens was like an 8.5 before their current run. We are like a 7. So not far superior
On that yes we agree. Beamer is ours til 2026 IMO.
Ray Tanner however needs to resign. Hes a disaster. Thats 99% of my argument
We've never come close to UGA in recruiting other than a year or two when Lattimore and Clowney happened to be in our state.
Only a complete meltdown gets Beamer out the door after 4 years.
But it's imperative we get rid of Tanner before 2025. Otherwise, we will get another similar hire, and start this cycle all over again.
We are told NIL is the thing holding us back. Yet Miami has infinitely more NIL power, and their program is as average as us lately
It's the add-on we can't afford to add. We were already ranked around 10th in traditional recruiting in the SEC. Now we have to deal with teams taking our best players at the end of a season?
Do you believe UT, UGA, A&M, BAMA, LSU, UF, etc are also going to lose players because of the NIL? Highly unlikely. That's the issue. The further separation of the haves and have-nots in a big way.
I think we would both agree Lloyd and Bell were both Top 5 players for us last season. It's hard enough for us to get guys like that. It's a major blow to lose them after a season. It hurt us alot this year -- especially given the injuries we had.
7:00 and am officially "relaxed". Ahhh...
Yeah, I remember commenting about it at the time but no replies or anyone else talking about it. Figured at least one other poster might have at least had a little problem with that. I can see, if Beamer was "stuck" with Bobo (no real coach would have been), that when suddenly in need of an OC his good friend would step in and help him get through year one while Beamer would work out contract details with one of those "big" names he lied to our face about. That didn't happen. Multi-year contracts and two years of pretty suck happened. I realized that they overachieved in spite of that offense, each win by different reasons. But still, if you're serious about winning you can see that we should do better then that. We didn't for 2 years. Another chance to get a big name that really, really wants to work for you? Forget about it! They don't exist and never did. I don't know how much respect he actually gets from real coaches. So they looked us right in the face and lied with a smile. Oh, yeah, they want us to give them even more money.
That was quite the multiple lined excuse. 🙂Thanks for the insight, Jacque. You've had an interesting ride
The "serious about winning" honestly is a silly line that fans use to try to degrade other fans who look at the entire picture and realize we don't have the resources to consistently compete in the SEC upper half. It's just reality and the NIL has made it even more of a reality.
I've posted on Spurrier's time above. Even with all of the stars aligning and not having to deal with The-Best-Teams-Money-Can-Buy, we still never even won the SEC East. The odds that this will happen are probably well under 5% and the idea that we can keep switching out head coaches and paying that heavy toll to do so is a total pipedream.
I wish it was different, but as one poster mentioned the other day -- we would be far better off in the ACC when it comes to Football. When you think of those teams, their resources, the city they are located in, etc, etc....they are far more on par with us than the SEC teams. We were brought into the conference as punching bags for the blue bloods and we've played our role for the most part.
Then there had to have been a different reason we beat them 4 years in a row. Could it have been..... coaching?
Of course they are!!! Its well known they do. Saban even talked about telling one of his formers who went to LSU he made a mistake. Clemson loses guys. Georgia loses em.
Its just shuffling. Kids dont wanna be backups either. I bet we can find OL and DL in FCS or as backups at top 10 schools who would shine here
Haha no no no no wait that was different
Agree. Getting Tanner gone assp is the top issue we have
Is that when he was our head coach but decided the real important thing was working for Oklahoma?
They don't play in the SEC. Big difference that is about to get a heck of a lot bigger.
See my last sentence. That “they don’t play in the SEC” line is a big part of what’s holding this program back. Yes the top 2, maybe 3, teams in the SEC in most years are probably better than everyone in America, along with a couple others like Ohio State or someone similar year to year. But the 4th-14th teams? No, its not head and heels superior to others. Florida lost to Utah. A&M lost to Miami. Bama lost to Texas. We lost to UNC. LSU lost to FSU.
And WE are a mid tier SEC program. Going .500 in conference should be the norm. Going 3-1, at worst, out of conference should be the norm. So 7-5 plus a bowl should be the worst season we have. Maybe we get upset and go 6-6.
But being in a dogfight with a team who was FCS last year, and likely going 5-7 at best this year, with Rattler as our QB, is just bad
I have seen posters who talk about that. Just like pulling a band aid. Make it hurt shirt term for the long term good.
I couldn't bring myself to do that though.
No, it's not. It's the actual playing in the SEC that is holding us back. lol
How many decades to you need to see it to understand it?
The Spurrier era was great.
However, if you had to chose between having Spurrier back versus having UT, UK, UF and UGA return to form during that period, the choice is very obvious. They were all underperforming with the talent they had at the same moment in time.
However, if you had to chose between having Spurrier back versus having UT, UK, UF and UGA return to form during that period, the choice is very obvious. They were all underperforming with the talent they had at the same moment in time.
And we were overperforming with the talent we had. That was the beauty of Spurrier..... a great X's and O's coach.
It was a great era. Improvements in recruiting and SEC East weakness is really where it got turned around though.
Much of Spurrier's frustration in the first part of his USC career was the whack-a-mole issues.
Once we moved into the Top 12 in recruiting, we could actually have a 1st team player out of the game without holding our breath.
We have steadily improved ever since joining though. At first it was rough. But it then attracted Holtz and Spurrier. We became competitive, beat Ohio State twice. Spurrier took us to another level, finishing 3rd or better in the SEC East for 6 out of 10 years.
Then……we put a baseball coach in charge of football hiring. And its been downhill ever since. Muschamp and Beamer pulled a couple upsets each. But generally the program has gone downhill.
Its not playing in the SEC. Its our AD and his hiring decisions.
Yes but part of that was Spurrier. He kept some players at home, and won some recruiting battles. And he put losses on them which contributed to their down years.
