Big shot boosters are never as big shot as they think they are.
soooo..citadel cost us Herman
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He will need to step up in competition for that to be known for sure. He can win big at Houston with their level of competition from now on. That said, he has a lot of positive markers about him. I think he will probably turn out to be for real.
But there are some great coaches, I'm thinking mainly about Urban Meyer and probably Saban, who aren't interested in doing big rebuilding jobs. They only want to go where it's been done before, and not way back in antiquity. That type will probably never come to USC off the kind of year we had.
We didn't get Herman and some think it was for the best and are glad to have WM. That's cool but still he is regarded as the "next big thing" in coaching and it was good of Tanner to go after him. No matter what anyone thinks of him turning us down. But the more I read of him and his Texas ties the more I think he would have only been a rental.
True that. If Herman wins a national championship at Houston, then I'll be upset that we didn't get him. Otherwise, I think we got the right guy for our team and our program.
What's a reasonable time table expectation for a NC from Champ? I'll be pleased if we're competing for the SEC year in and year out by year 4. NC should be the talk at the beginning of every season by 2020.
I doubt we'll ever be a consistent contender for a NC... it will be a host of circumstances coming together at the right time. Even Saban wasn't great until he went to schools with long-standing football traditions.
If we contend for SEC we'll be in the NC discussion because we're in the SEC. It would be great to be there in a couple years. Depends on how many big-time recruits this staff can pull in for 2017. These guys are some of the best for sure. I guess we'll see how good they are. Things always look optimistic at this time of year.
If it did cost us Herman, thanks to the Citadel! Aint his recruiting class ranked 44th? I dont think he could win consistantly in the SEC. Not sure Muschamp can either but i like our chances with him better than Herman and we shall see.
I bet he could win consistently at A&M, if that's where he really wants to be. I don't doubt he's a good coach, but I don't know that he would have felt "at home" at USC.
Herman was never coming. He played our interest for a nice pay raise at Houston for a year, or two, until a higher profile job comes along
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Good luck to Herman at Houston - he's a great coach.
So's the guy we got.
I ain't feeling 'shorted' - at all.
Things have a way of working out just like they're supposed to; we did just fine.
So's the guy we got.
I ain't feeling 'shorted' - at all.
Things have a way of working out just like they're supposed to; we did just fine.
Houston finished 44th, top non-P5 school. Only signed 19 players, with 1 5* and 2 4*, and average 2.89*. Their best recruiting year ever. With that said, if he let that lost keep him from coming to USC, we really do not need him. And I was one of the his strongest supporters. I also believe that Muschamp has done a better job recruiting than any other candidates could have, he was able to start right away and already had some of the relationships built with some of the recruits.
My reaction is like some others so what? I'm glad we got Muschamp, the SEC is a tough conference and Herman was not up for the challenge. Next?
I'm convinced he would only have been a rental given his Texas background.
I too am amazed at the staff Coach Muschamp put together and the energy put into recruiting by the new coaches.
Herman will probably get the UT Job sooner rather than later. Strong's staff is in disarray. His top recruiter Vaughn, tied to the Old Miss mess, has been let go. It is likely that the NCAA will look at all of the places Vaughan has worked since 2010, Arkansas, Memphis, and Texas. I will post a link as soon as I can
Citadel cost us Herman? I doubt it. Sounds more like an excuse. All Herman had to do was look up South Carolina's recruiting rankings from 2012-15 and see that the average ranking was 17.5. The program was not lacking for talent. Muschamp himself has said we are not that far away from the 3 straight Top 10 Carolina teams. We were badly coached though, especially on defense. Time to move on from Herman. Muschamp is a diamond in the rough. I have a hunch we might have gotten lucky getting him. Just remember that Bill Bellichek and Pete Carroll did not take the NFL by storm in their first Head Coaching gigs.
Dude is like 39 years old, and I think he's wearing Rockports in that Office Space parody. Not that there's anything wrong with Rockports, but he's a little young. Besides, if that were the real reason, then he would quit anything that didn't go his way.
I will say this, he might be a better HC than Boom turns out to be, but NO ONE could've assembled a better coaching staff, and inked the recruits that were all but lost in a 6-week window. Especially a guy with little SE ties. Not even Dilbert, Jeff Scott, and the bagman.
I will say this, he might be a better HC than Boom turns out to be, but NO ONE could've assembled a better coaching staff, and inked the recruits that were all but lost in a 6-week window. Especially a guy with little SE ties. Not even Dilbert, Jeff Scott, and the bagman.
I will add this on coaching. We lost Beamer, Graham, Fitzpatrick, Lawing and Johnson they were not replaced with comparable Quality coaches.
I don't buy it. We lost to The Citadel and then the next week we lost to the #1 team in the country by 5 points.
Plus PK's report came out after The Citadel game.
He used us for a raise. That's fine and happens all the time. You can't let one girl turning you down stop you from going after the next one and end up settling for the ugly chick no one else wanted.
Plus PK's report came out after The Citadel game.
He used us for a raise. That's fine and happens all the time. You can't let one girl turning you down stop you from going after the next one and end up settling for the ugly chick no one else wanted.
https://southcarolina.forums.rivals...ing-to-the-citadel-sunk-us-with-herman.92765/
And you guys crapped on me.....
South Carolina is good enough for Lou Holtz & Steve Spurrier, but not Tom Herman? Get over yourself, Tom.
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Did you all read the USAToday article or just read the excerpts from SDS? The original article was pretty complimentary of Muschamp.
So if we hadn't false started and Pharoh wins the game he'd be our coach right now??
LOL whatever Trevor.....
LOL whatever Trevor.....
Exactly what I was going to post. Taking over a 3 win SEC team isn't for the faint of heart, which apparently he is.
Herman's recruiting class in Houston this year was around 45th. If he'd come here, we likely would not have been in the top 30. Very possibly not the top 40. I doubt he would have the SEC pedigree that the current staff obviously has. It would have been a longer rebuild. Herman would have been filling holes with bodies and possibly a few recruits he peeled away from Houston, for whom a #45 class is respectable.
How else can they get someone to read a 2 month old story that everyone else has already written?
Herman would have left us for a TX school. Smart would have left us for UGA.
If we'd gotten Herman, how long would it have been before someone called us Los Pollos Hermanos?
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This is demonstrably false. They had a winless season as I recall back in the 70s. But you just thought you'd throw it out there.....
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