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I understand that but that's a personal religious opinion/issue. Personal religious beliefs and the law are different things as we know.

I find that this issue is highly dependent on if someone has a good friend that they spend time with that is gay. When they do, they often become fierce defenders of the rights of gay people.
I stated that very thing above but the original question was “was someone trying to say god is a Republican”. My response was he’s not a liberal because he is strongly against those two things.
 
Ellen:
Well, he's been out of work for close to seven years.
Clark:
In seven years, he couldn't find a job?
Ellen:
Catherine says he's been holding out for a management position.
This is funnier bc those in the know are aware that this was Lurkers defense a while back. Man you certainly held the receipts on that one. At this point he’s going to be lucky to manage a Dairy Queen one day.
 
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I stated that very thing above but the original question was “was someone trying to say god is a Republican”. My response was he’s not a liberal because he is strongly against those two things.
While I may disagree with you politically, and you may throw a barb from time to time I respect the fact that you didn’t dodge the question and stated your opinion without being like the 3 trolls that high jacked this thread. Lurker is two of the three though.
 
Really good jobs report this morning

That's a good sign. I hope it's true because the subtitle about "COVID infections dropping sharply" is total bunk. February 2022 new cases were almost three times as high as they were in February 2021. Deaths were higher too.

This is no doubt a function of illegal mandates being shot down and life trying to return normal. If Biden's desired mandates were in place, unemployment numbers would be a disaster.

Most people are on to COVID policy theater now. If this government wants to continue to manipulate people, they need to start doing a better job because it's their actions are far too transparent at this point.
 
Electric vehicle is a no go for me. I got boats, trailers, tractors, excavators, etc to pull around. Having an electric vehicle may be cheaper on you as long as they don't start charging for hooking up to the power. St George just added what I assume is about 20 spots to charge your vehicles. It's right off I-95. I assume it's free to pull in and charge. Is that correct? All places free to charge your vehicles?
 
"Misinformation" turned out to be quality information. "Those damn conspiracy theorists!!!"

• Cloth masks aren't effective
• Vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission
• Lockdowns were useless against COVID; Hurt people and devastated the economy. (est. $15 trillion)
• Mass testing led to a permanent “pandemic”

It's been close to 2.5 years now and they finally being forced to unwind what they knew to be true within 2.5 months, if not 2.5 weeks. Let's see what happens with the next level "misinformation" - the virus origin - as they continue to sort through that potential corruption.
 
This is funnier bc those in the know are aware that this was Lurkers defense a while back. Man you certainly held the receipts on that one. At this point he’s going to be lucky to manage a Dairy Queen one day.

Holding out for management?

Ah, must be one of those "truths" you so readily make up. Carry on, "defender of truth".
 
Electric vehicle is a no go for me. I got boats, trailers, tractors, excavators, etc to pull around. Having an electric vehicle may be cheaper on you as long as they don't start charging for hooking up to the power. St George just added what I assume is about 20 spots to charge your vehicles. It's right off I-95. I assume it's free to pull in and charge. Is that correct? All places free to charge your vehicles?
No some charge but it’s pennies on the dollar compared to fuel. I’m not totally on board but I’m close. I pull a boat and trailer as well but usually not far. When the recharge times get in the 10-15 min range I will be all in.
 
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No some charge but it’s pennies on the dollar compared to fuel. I’m not totally on board but I’m close. I pull a boat and trailer as well but usually not far. When the recharge times get in the 10-15 min range I will be all in.

It would help if we didn't have Tesla and then everyone else's charging stations.

I was told in conversation that it was because Tesla went to market before the govt stepped in to set standards.
 
It would help if we didn't have Tesla and then everyone else's charging stations.

I was told in conversation that it was because Tesla went to market before the govt stepped in to set standards.
I see it as only a matter of time before you see 1 or 2 spots at every gas station. It may take 5-10 years but it’s coming.
 
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What corporate media and our government do not to discuss anymore:

1) COVID
2) Pfizer vaccine documents (just released and redacted to hell)
3) Fauci's month long disappearance and gain-of-function
4) Worldwide freedom protests
5) Vaccine passports, digital IDs, CBDC’s
6) The destruction of the economy
7) Crime/Murder rates
8) Inflation
9) Oil/Gas Prices
10) Supply Chain Issues

Instead, let's focus on a country half a world away which Russia once held. We can't do much about it, but let's focus on that subject and forget about the things that matter most here at home.
 
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Electric vehicle is a no go for me. I got boats, trailers, tractors, excavators, etc to pull around. Having an electric vehicle may be cheaper on you as long as they don't start charging for hooking up to the power. St George just added what I assume is about 20 spots to charge your vehicles. It's right off I-95. I assume it's free to pull in and charge. Is that correct? All places free to charge your vehicles?
Tesla does charge. It’s usually about $8-$10 a charge. Keep in mind that’s only for when you won’t get home. You’re right that towing will reduce range. That will be addressed in the future but it’s definitely inconvenient for now.
 
In my opinion the new electric trucks are for the mom and dad grocery getters. That don’t drive far and may pull a 4 wheeler to their property 15-20 miles away or a boat to the local lake that is near the same distance.

That would be the current application in my opinion. I drive 80 miles to work every day. That’s there and back. Then maybe run a few errands. When I’m off I’m hunting or preparing to hunt and my property is 15 miles away. I think I could make it work. Where it would get me is my cross country hunting excursions. That would be an issue.
 
Telsa's are cool, but there are tradeoffs. Next time you're in one, put an EMF meter in front of the instrument panel and compare to your non-EV. That battery could do a number on your health, especially if you are in your vehicle for any significant time.
 
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In my opinion the new electric trucks are for the mom and dad grocery getters. That don’t drive far and may pull a 4 wheeler to their property 15-20 miles away or a boat to the local lake that is near the same distance.

That would be the current application in my opinion. I drive 80 miles to work every day. That’s there and back. Then maybe run a few errands. When I’m off I’m hunting or preparing to hunt and my property is 15 miles away. I think I could make it work. Where it would get me is my cross country hunting excursions. That would be an issue.


I think it extends further than "grocery getters". The new f150 was talking about 300ish miles per charge. That could suit a LOT of people's commute, errands and even weekend driving.

At that range, the only concern I can come up with off the top of my head is the cross country travel. That is not there yet with the number and locations of fast chargers. (And as I said, the stupid compatability factor.)

Edit: What I have not seen is a good calculation of how serious towing reduces that 300ish miles.
 
I like how this thread has taken a positive turn towards a discussion of electric vehicles. What is the best EV on the market right now that is the size of a medium SUV(Rav4, CRV, etc.) in terms of range without charging?
 
I like how this thread has taken a positive turn towards a discussion of electric vehicles. What is the best EV on the market right now that is the size of a medium SUV(Rav4, CRV, etc.) in terms of range without charging?
I think the Kia Niro is the highest rated model in that category.
 
I stated that very thing above but the original question was “was someone trying to say god is a Republican”. My response was he’s not a liberal because he is strongly against those two things.

LOL ok

I think it's borderline blasphemous to ascribe something as fickle as political opinions to God.
 
I like how this thread has taken a positive turn towards a discussion of electric vehicles. What is the best EV on the market right now that is the size of a medium SUV(Rav4, CRV, etc.) in terms of range without charging?
I'm so proud the thread has been saved. Momentarily probably. I don't see myself ever going electric. I go on a 2-3 week adventure to the Dakota's every October. I'll put anywhere from 4-6,000 miles on the truck. What I would be really interested in would be a combo truck. Something that I could switch back and forth from gas to electric. Plus time is money, so I don't have 15-20 minutes to sit there and charge.
I don't see it helping the earth by using any electric vehicles until the power being made to charge those vehicles are 100% wind/solar. Or nuclear.
 
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I'm so proud the thread has been saved. Momentarily probably. I don't see myself ever going electric. I go on a 2-3 week adventure to the Dakota's every October. I'll put anywhere from 4-6,000 miles on the truck. What I would be really interested in would be a combo truck. Something that I could switch back and forth from gas to electric. Plus time is money, so I don't have 15-20 minutes to sit there and charge.
I don't see it helping the earth by using any electric vehicles until the power being made to charge those vehicles are 100% wind/solar. Or nuclear.


It is a welcome change.

Agreed on the helping of the earth, imho, your still burning fuel to power that electricity in a lot of the houses.

I can see electric though, I stated before I wouldn't buy the first model year of the truck I want. That's a general rule for most things though, not specific to cars.

I have only one limitation at this point, and that's cross country trips. That is more of an annoyance then a showstopper though.
 
That's a good sign. I hope it's true because the subtitle about "COVID infections dropping sharply" is total bunk. February 2022 new cases were almost three times as high as they were in February 2021. Deaths were higher too.

Well, they are dropping.

They aren't comparing them to monthly totals from Feb 2021. They are comparing them to the reported 7 day averages on a day to day or week to week basis.

On Jan 12th, we were having a 7 day average of 800,000 cases. On March 3rd, the 7 day average is down to 60,000 cases.

( FWIW - On Feb 3rd, 2021- the same average was 122,000 cases)
 
• Cloth masks aren't effective
• Vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission
• Lockdowns were useless against COVID; Hurt people and devastated the economy. (est. $15 trillion)
• Mass testing led to a permanent “pandemic”

Cloth masks are much less preferable to the type of mask I have worn- a KN95.

Vaccines reduced the likelihood of hospitalization and severe illness (just like they do for the flu, or things like shingles vaccine which I just took and was told by my doctor I could still experience but the vaccine would reduce the symptoms).

My mom experienced a severe bout of shingles - 2 times. Very, very painful. My sister, received the shingles vaccine, but still had a case of shingles. But it was very mild to the point it didn't impact her at all.

Lockdowns do not work very well when millions of people refuse to lockdown- a lot purposefully and intentionally focusing only on themselves even to the extent of going out in public to crowded places when they are sick or experiencing symptoms of COVID.

The last point doesn't really make sense. We don't know if it's permanent or what "permanent" even means. It's undefined here. People that are sick are going to seek out tests - like they will for the flu or a myriad of other ailments.
 
I'm so proud the thread has been saved. Momentarily probably. I don't see myself ever going electric. I go on a 2-3 week adventure to the Dakota's every October. I'll put anywhere from 4-6,000 miles on the truck. What I would be really interested in would be a combo truck. Something that I could switch back and forth from gas to electric. Plus time is money, so I don't have 15-20 minutes to sit there and charge.
I don't see it helping the earth by using any electric vehicles until the power being made to charge those vehicles are 100% wind/solar. Or nuclear.

A friend of my wife's drove from South Carolina to South Dakota in an electric car. I think it was a Tesla but I am not sure. Stopped every 3-3.5 hours for a short break and looked at it as an adventure. Took his young son with him. Stopped at several state and national parks along the way.

as I have gotten older, I take rest breaks every 3-4 hours anyway where 20 years ago I'd drive all night long or whatever. I don't want to do that anymore.

Said it took some planning, but they were doing it for the experience and had a blast. This was about 3-4 years ago so I am sure it's actually easier now.

Plus, there are now tons of guides out there with great stops listed these days for those wanting to do such a trip.
 
Well, they are dropping.

They aren't comparing them to monthly totals from Feb 2021. They are comparing them to the reported 7 day averages on a day to day or week to week basis.

On Jan 12th, we were having a 7 day average of 800,000 cases. On March 3rd, the 7 day average is down to 60,000 cases.

( FWIW - On Feb 3rd, 2021- the same average was 122,000 cases)
Numbers look much like last year right now. March arrives and it starts to fade. Happens every year with respiratory illnesses.
 
I see it as only a matter of time before you see 1 or 2 spots at every gas station. It may take 5-10 years but it’s coming.

This is true- and it's already the case in some areas.


I have said this for awhile now and believe it's more true today than before- my grandkids will one day look think about Grandpa and grandma having to stop at a gas station to pump gas in a tank, smell fumes, and pay $40-$50-$60 at a time as hard to understand.

They will look at that like we look back at our great grandparents having to go outside to an outhouse to use the bathroom.
 
Numbers look much like last year right now. March arrives and it starts to fade. Happens every year with respiratory illnesses.
last summer- in July when it was hot- the COVID case numbers went up and up and up.

In april 2020, that's when cases started to increase, before falling again and then starting back up in July 2020

I'm not discounting that warmer weather has an impact though but I am not sure we understand the role too well.
 
LOL ok

I think it's borderline blasphemous to ascribe something as fickle as political opinions to God.
I only said he wouldn’t be liberal. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that by reading stricture how God would fall on certain issues. I never said he would or wouldn’t be Republican. But it’s your story tell it dude. You never fail to amaze me at how clueless you are.
 
I only said he wouldn’t be liberal. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that by reading stricture how God would fall on certain issues. I never said he would or wouldn’t be Republican. But it’s your story tell it dude. You never fail to amaze me at how clueless you are.
LOL

I think (in human terms) GOD would find such labels as irrelevant since GOD sees sin as sin.

I had a preacher friend tell me once that a number of preachers like to talk about homosexuality or even what the political party they don't happen to like is doing - but very few seem to mention the things like greed, gluttony, committing adultery by lustfully looking at someone, etc.
 
Cloth masks are much less preferable to the type of mask I have worn- a KN95.

Vaccines reduced the likelihood of hospitalization and severe illness (just like they do for the flu, or things like shingles vaccine which I just took and was told by my doctor I could still experience but the vaccine would reduce the symptoms).

My mom experienced a severe bout of shingles - 2 times. Very, very painful. My sister, received the shingles vaccine, but still had a case of shingles. But it was very mild to the point it didn't impact her at all.

Lockdowns do not work very well when millions of people refuse to lockdown- a lot purposefully and intentionally focusing only on themselves even to the extent of going out in public to crowded places when they are sick or experiencing symptoms of COVID.

The last point doesn't really make sense. We don't know if it's permanent or what "permanent" even means. It's undefined here. People that are sick are going to seek out tests - like they will for the flu or a myriad of other ailments.
I'm sure there are masks thick enough to impact transmission but what about hypoxia? That's a huge deal in COVID and limiting oxygen/CO2 seems like a bad idea for any length of time. You can also contract viruses through your ears and skin very easily.

We know they didn't prevent transmission or infection - something they stated it could do from the onset. We still have no idea what the vaccines actually did in terms of even limiting severity. We got anecdotal accounts of "thank god I had the vaccine when I was in the hospital," but that easily could have been wishful thinking promulgated by the people selling you something. We now know CDC withheld most all of the data in the US. They admitted it. 2022 deaths exceeded 2021 deaths. The transparent countries showed vaxx/unvaxxed rates in hospital and death were almost identical. Mandates were abandon as a result. Chances are we'll never really know what the vaccine did beyond serving as a comfort blanket mentally, as there are no numbers to point to.

Disagree on lockdowns. So much data now showing lockdowns made matters worse in most places.

Last point - If you run around testing asymptomatic people, you get your numbers. That's what they were doing during the vaccine sales campaign period. We should have only been testing people with symptoms the entire time. Not someone who walks into a hospital with a broken arm who tests positive for COVID.
 
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Wow wrong again they didn’t spike until September in SC or the USA. What will you switch the narrative to now.


I didn't say anything about spiking. No reason to make up what I said to twist the words.

I also edited my response to say July- because July - hot weather - is when the numbers started going up.

July 9, 2021- we had an average 7 day case load of 23,000 cases.

By August 9, we had an average 7 day case load of 132,000 cases.
 
last summer- in July when it was hot- the COVID case numbers went up and up and up.

In april 2020, that's when cases started to increase, before falling again and then starting back up in July 2020

I'm not discounting that warmer weather has an impact though but I am not sure we understand the role too well.
You just can't trust the cases thing. Too much room for manipulation and they should never have been testing asymptomatic people. That was a sales angle when people started to question the validity and their inventory was sitting on the shelves.
 
I didn't say anything about spiking. No reason to make up what I said to twist the words.

I also edited my response to say July- because July - hot weather - is when the numbers started going up.

July 9, 2021- we had an average 7 day case load of 23,000 cases.

By August 9, we had an average 7 day case load of 132,000 cases.

You said exploded which is not true. They staid steady until august. I hope you are a troll and really not this dumb in real life.
 
I'm sure there are masks thick enough to impact transmission but what about hypoxia? That's a huge deal in COVID and limiting oxygen/CO2 seems like a bad idea for any length of time. You can also contract viruses through your ears and skin very easily.

I wore a KN 95 every day. So did my wife at school. No issues with breathing. I am sure it bothers some people- but probably not as many people as claim it bothers them.

Yes, you can contract viruses by touching your eyes, putting your fingers in your mouth, etc- but you aren't supposed to do that. A proper mask is a tool like a pair of safety glasses. People can still hurt their eyes wearing safety glasses, but it's a tool to use to minimize harm- not eliminate it 100%. No PPE is 100% perfect.

That's why in the hierarchy of safety controls, PPE is the last option if other factors can't be implemented.
We know they didn't prevent transmission or infection - something they stated it could do from the onset. We still have no idea what the vaccines actually did in terms of even limiting severity. We got anecdotal accounts of "thank god I had the vaccine when I was in the hospital," but that easily could have been wishful thinking promulgated by the people selling you something.

Yes, some people claimed they'd prevent infection or transmission but most experts didn't claim that.

Even so, numerous experts have stated a million times over and over that the vaccines value is in reducing the likelihood of severe disease and hospitalization.

We have very good information on how vaccines limited severity - by comparing people who caught COVID and ended up in the hospital. As thousands of hospitals have reported their data that is clear as anything could be: Their vaccinated patients were the least sick, least likely to be on a ventilator, least likely to be in intensive care, and had the shortest hospital stays compared to unvaccinated people with COVID.

The people denying this data that is seen really everywhere are just denying reality at this point. It is what it is.
Disagree on lockdowns. So much data now showing lockdowns made matters worse in most places.

Last point - If you run around testing asymptomatic people, you get your numbers. That's what they were doing during the vaccine sales campaign period. We should have only been testing people with symptoms the entire time. Not someone who walks into a hospital with a broken arm who tests positive for COVID.

Agree to disagree on that point. I don't read the data as conclusively as you do at this point.


I disagree again. People who want to be tested during a pandemic should be tested. Why? It's obvious. Because it's impossible to do what you suggest: only test symptomatic people.

anyone can simply claim they don't feel well, has a sort throat, has lost their taste and/or smell, feels like they have a sinus infection, have a headache, feels a bit of "brain fog" etc....

Did some people do that? I am sure some did. But they do that in regards to other things too. If you go to the doctor in flu season and describe possibly flu symptoms, they test you for the flu. They don't turn you away and accuse you of lying or just turn you away and refuse to test you. They go on what the patient says.

Some folks- like my 21 year old got a COVID test this week. Wasn't feeling well- and had a bit of congestion that was new. Being in college and around other people, there was a bit of concern and questioning. So a test was given. Was it pollen? Maybe. But what if it was COVID and this evening- he's going to his friend's house to celebrate her 92 year old grandmother's birthday.

It was worth the test despite other people's opinions - or worthless political opinions about it.

I don't see a viable way anyone can support medical professionals to turn away a person and deny them a test by telling them "I don't believe you" when they inform them of typical COVID symptoms.

Unless you want to introduce lie detectors into the testing process which I don't see happening.

So testing anyone that feels like they were exposed or says they don't feel well was the only logical approach.
 
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You said exploded which is not true. They staid steady until august. I hope you are a troll and really not this dumb in real life.

case numbers more than doubled in 11 days.

July 9, 2021- we had an average 7 day case load of 23,000 cases.
July 20, 2021 - 7 day average of 49, 714 cases

They more than tripled by July 28th.

That's not "staying steady." That's ludicrous.

That's an explosion regardless of your opinion.
 
I wore a KN 95 every day. So did my wife at school. No issues with breathing. I am sure it bothers some people- but probably not as many people as claim it bothers them.

Yes, you can contract viruses by touching your eyes, putting your fingers in your mouth, etc- but you aren't supposed to do that. A proper mask is a tool like a pair of safety glasses. People can still hurt their eyes wearing safety glasses, but it's a tool to use to minimize harm- not eliminate it 100%. No PPE is 100% perfect.

That's why in the hierarchy of safety controls, PPE is the last option if other factors can't be implemented.

It's a big deal if you're moving around much. Also, low oxygen environments leave you more vulnerable to viruses docking to your cells.

When you look at 80+% of the animals in the wood testing positive and then look at the Antarctica studies, it's pretty clear COVID was in the atmosphere. So it could easily move through skin and ears. A similar example is RoundUp. Pretty much every person in the world now has RoundUp metabolites in their urine. That includes infants.

Yes, some people claimed they'd prevent infection or transmission but most experts didn't claim that.

Dave, comeon man. They were saying this from Day One. That was a major sales angle....Go out and get your vaccine for your fellowman. Maddow would describe almost nightly how the "virus stops in the tracks" when you have the vaccine. "You cannot give it to someone and you cannot get it if you have your vaccine." Biden said the same. Maddow is now gone from MSNBC. Fauci is now gone from TV.

Even so, numerous experts have stated a million times over and over that the vaccines value is in reducing the likelihood of severe disease and hospitalization.
They've said alot of stuff that's not true though. Where are the numbers? They are hiding them. Other countries' numbers tell a different story.


We have very good information on how vaccines limited severity - by comparing people who caught COVID and ended up in the hospital. As thousands of hospitals have reported their data that is clear as anything could be: Their vaccinated patients were the least sick, least likely to be on a ventilator, least likely to be in intensive care, and had the shortest hospital stays compared to unvaccinated people with COVID.
That's what they said. Then they suppressed data but had to abandon mandates when other countries who were reporting actual data didn't show anything close to what they were saying.


The people denying this data that is seen really everywhere are just denying reality at this point. It is what it is.
There is no detailed data like this in the US. They said as much. The daily cases and death rates tell the opposite story.


Agree to disagree on that point. I don't read the data as conclusively as you do at this point.


I disagree again. People who want to be tested during a pandemic should be tested. Why? It's obvious. Because it's impossible to do what you suggest: only test symptomatic people.
If you have a fever, get tested. If not, don't. It was a silly game to sell tests and vaccines. Once again, when they started to close the book on COVID and mandates, everything was above 2021. They didn't even try to hide it. This is how nuts things have become.
 
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