Totally agree. Losing Lloyd and Bell were huge and their absence was obvious in the UNC game. I hope we can do a better job of holding on to talent this year. So difficult with the current NIL and portal situations.
We better not look past Furman.
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Totally agree. Losing Lloyd and Bell were huge and their absence was obvious in the UNC game. I hope we can do a better job of holding on to talent this year. So difficult with the current NIL and portal situations.
Everyone is using NIL as an excuse as though we couldn't do better.
Maybe we just spent our NIL money poorly? Which reflects on the coaching decisions on where to spend the money.
Maybe. However, Lloyd went to USC-W and Bell to FSU. Both schools have deeper pockets.
I'm sure we're probably overpaying Rattler, but he's our meal ticket at the moment.
The NIL and portal are super shady. Both need regulation and transparency.
When people like Lane Kiffin are calling it out, you know there's issues. Ole Miss should have no problem fundraising with Kiffin at the helm.
Yep 160 lbs will do that, he gains 25 lbs and hes on par with D1 guys if hes already locked em down
Maybe, but coaching and Discipline mean as much as Talent. I am sure Confidence at Carolina is down and Furman see this as a Statement game. I too think it will be within 10 points in the 4th. Hope i am wrong, this team needs a blowout win, but i dont see it happening!
Could be. The challenge is that we're not next to a big city housing rich grads like Atlanta/LA (UGA, USC-W) or have oil money (LSU, A&M) or are storied program with a big following/TV market (BAMA, OSU) or have some have a big brand benefactor like Nike (Oregon).
The game is very rigged at the moment - far more so than it has been in the past. The original goal of having college athletes receive some level of compensation for their work is not currently being met. In a recent NYT article on the subject, it was stated “of the approximately 520,000 students currently competing in intercollegiate athletics, maybe 519,000 are making nothing at all.” Again, hoping there's some form of regulation and transparency in the near future.
What good would it do to regulate the NIL? Most of the teams that make the playoffs were paying players when it was forbidden. Those teams that put the highest priority on winning will ignore any rules that get in their way and cheat. Just like they did before there was NIL. Leave the NIL market open and free from regulation. Then there will be no accusing other teams of cheating. If a school wants to pay a 18 year old kid just out of high school multi millions of dollars, let them do it. Eventually those schools will learn to spend the money wisely.
Somebody already said it but ..."Football died the First Time they stopped the game for a commercial."
I think a lot of those excuses would be relevant if we weren't winning battles. But we're very clearly winning NIL battles. While we may not have as much money as A&M but there is no reason to believe we couldn't be spending our money better.
Open bidding wars for top prospects while other players aren't getting peanuts is a lousy system which isn't likely to unwind anytime soon unless there is intervention. The same with top (rich) teams being able to pluck the cream of crop from schools who can't pay them as much or at all. (portal)
As you mentioned, paying for players was going on before the NIL. However, at least there was some level of containment for fear of sanctions. Look at the number of coaches who have complained about the NIL (and portal) since it went into effect. It's a gamechanger and not in a good way.
Our OL didn't play well last weekend. There's probably alot tied to coaching and talent at that position. However, would you want to put in the same work as Rattler and also be a function of his success while he gets millions/car gifts and you're getting absolutely nothing? The current system creates intra-team divide as well.
College athletes should be focused on developing their craft, their mind and their future. Not deciding which Lambo model to purchase next.
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I don't really see that. The big money schools are paying their linemen $50-100K+. We've got enough to keep some skill players on the roster. These pieces written about our school bringing in big NIL money are likely clickbait aimed at gathering more steam to this end. Most are written by in-house Gamecocks. Let's see the receipts across the board. (transparency)
while I agree on your assessment of Rattler, he has to stay upright in order to win this one, just sayin
it's flashbacks to Muschamp in year 3 after getting that huge extension, we started falling apart, so I understand the skepticism
We literally outbid Oregon at the last minute for Harbor. That had to be over a million at least.
Could be. Just one player though. Oregon has been spending in all directions. And let's see if we can hold onto Harbor if he has a good season.
That's another luxury big money schools have. They don't necessarily need to lure a prospect out of the gates. They can see how the prospect performs at the next level and make that decision down the road via NIL/portal.
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Oregon has a big NIL budget. Everyone knows that and it's probably one of the largest out there. They have the luxury of buying an entire team. With Harbor, maybe they decided he's "wait and see" player and didn't want to get in bidding war over that one player/position. They could also be loaded at the WR position.
We don't have the budget Oregon does. Maybe we really liked Harbor's ability and wanted to make a National Headlines splash by pulling in a big name. We certainly need talent at the WR position.
These are hypotheticals. What matters in this whacky era is how much NIL does a school have to work with in any particular year AND how did they allocate those funds to players/prospects. All of this information should be public domain.
You argued we couldn't afford to pay $50-100k for linemen. Then you acknowledged we probably spent over a million for a single player. So that would show we could afford to pay all our linemen 100k.
then instead of addressing that you start something like "let's see if we can hold onto him"
We're paying Rattler at least $2mil to hang onto him and that's been publicized. He's a talented QB who brings attention to our school. We're also paying a few other skill players.
Have you seen any indication we're paying linemen $50-100K? I'm sure we would if they had the cash.
Right now, it appears we're using NIL money at skill positions to lure recruits and hang onto players who have produced on the field. In our case, the limited budget only goes so far.
If we paid Harbor a million or even half a million, we could have used that money to buy a line. Which would have helped the team more.
It's appears we're not able to get our linemen significant collective deals at this point. We don't have the funding and exposure in our market.
The NIL blows. it's basically no salary cap free agency. It's a ridiculous system complements of the wokies and Gavin Newsom. There needs to be regulation, transparency and a yearly collective cap for all schools involved. The portal also needs a waiting period. Otherwise, it's just another angle for the rich to get richer.
Any rules and regulations applied to NIL will be ignored by teams such as Tennessee, Auburn, Ohio State, Clemson, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Miami, LSU etc. The more pressure there is to win big, the more cheating will exist. The NCAA stopped handing out stiff penalties, because TV network$ do not want the team$ that bring in the most viewer$ on probation. Money controls everything in college football. Let NIL operate in an open market and nobody will have a cheating edge.
IMO, that cheating edge has expanded. We likely don't lose Lloyd and Bell pre-NIL/no-wait portal.
Prior to the NIL, there was still a vagueness/randomness with regard to NCAA sanctioning which helped keep the obvious in somewhat in check.
Now it's just straight up Moneyball. Large markets and big donors battle it out to see who is champion.
I'd rather be in the Ohio Valley Conference under this current setup. At least there would be a path to the playoffs before we get demolished.
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Not sure what you're talking about. It's not like there's a pot of cash and Beamer decides where it flows. There's only so much money/deals to go around in Columbia. That's the issue.
Corporations and donors pay our QB to use his name. We don't have big donor money lining up to pay our linemen anything signficant....at least yet. We're a smaller market. Again, we lost Lloyd and Bell because we couldn't get them the deals that other schools could.
The issue was that the NCAA was another captured government agency. They took bribes from the deep pockets to look the other way. Just like the FDA or CDC, you clean house and stop the corruption. Pay players a reasonable fixed amount and get back to playing football and enforcing rules rather than running a brothel.
None. I don't want my hard-earned money to be wasted by the current staff. I'll gladly contribute if we make a competent hire for our next HC.
How much are you giving?
You might need some sunlight and fresh air. I've never stated some players on some teams weren't getting paid before the NIL.
My argument was that we're going to wrong direction with the NIL if the objective is not only to pay student-athletes, but also achieve a more level playing field.
All it does it increase the chances you're going to see the same Top 10 teams until the end of time.
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But you're trying to claim the coaches aren't determining how we're spending the majority of our NIL. That's just not true.
Officially they are not. Officially.
Officially players weren't paid before the NIL decision came along. But we all k ow how that worked out.
I don't think you two are that far apart. You both acknowledge that we can't afford to go against "the big boys". He is questioning the idea that we overspend on some skill positions, rather than spending on the o-line.
I think you're saying something similar when you say there's only so much money going around in Columbia.
I think we also all agree that coaching staffs aren't SUPPOSED to be involved with NIL decisions, but I think under the table, the staff's desires are known. (Obviously not for every tom, dick and Harry out there)
You've changed your argument here. You also seemed obsessed with hating Shane Beamer.
What I said was that Beamer doesn't just get a pot of cash of allocate how he sees fit.
I'm sure he weighs in on direction. However, no corporation/donor is going to be able to market OL Hunter Rodgers. They can with QB Rattler. It's a collective issue and there's only so many donors with ties to USC that want to pony beyond the money they were already giving to the University before the NIL arrived.
Please also remember that Muschamp was crushed by the most P5 teams for five straight years -- especially at the hands of the Clemson Tigers. He also had one single win against a Top 10 team during his tenure.
In two years, Beamer has beat CU at CU and also had back-to-back wins against Top 10 teams and put us in the Top 25 for the first time in a very long time.
I have no idea if he's the long term solution. However, Beamer got handed a 2-10 squad who had little or no player development. It was as if Muschamp purposely ran us into the ground. Maybe give Beamer and little rope and forget about hinging any emotions on South Carolina football beyond the game itself.
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Exactly. I would believe that we're paying Rattler and others such as Wells just enough to stay put in Columbia.
There's no way we would have let Bell and Lloyd go if we could have afforded to keep them. It was no secret they were instrumental in our success.
This is just the normal comment when people mention the 2 win year. That was a 10 game season with only conference opponents.
That same team could conceivably be a 5 win team if we had 3 ooc patsies.
