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We will not accept a CBI bid...

I'm in my right mind and I think the CBI is ridiculous.

It's like giving everyone a trophy just for showing up.

I like Frank Martin and enjoyed seeing the improvement but we don't need a false sense of accomplishment by going to some 3rd rate post season tournament.
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I'm sane too, but my doc said. he was going to have me committed if I suggested SC play in some intermural tourney

....reminds me of adult slow pitch softball where the teams pay to enter tournament
 
The CBI is like those beauty pageants for 3 year olds that you see on TV. You know, the ones where the parents spend their life's savings so that little Susie can win a crown.
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Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
The CBI is like those beauty pageants for 3 year olds that you see on TV. You know, the ones where the parents spend their life's savings so that little Susie can win a crown.
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No. It's just a basketball tournament. It's more similar to a low-tier bowl game, and can serve the same purpose (especially for a team in need of more experience). It's not about going for the glory at this point, it's about trying to get better for next season. USC's season is now over (and they aren't allowed to practice anymore). However, there are 144 teams out there that are all practicing this week, all gaining tournament experience, all working on improving as a program. But USC is good enough already - they don't need more time to work.
 
Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
You can call it whatever you want but if you accept the invitation they will send you a bill.
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And?

You also get the opportunity to make it back if you're the home team. No charge if you want to hit the road.

Are you saying USC doesn't need more experience?
 
Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
I'm saying coffee is for closers.
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Oh, I see the problem, I think you're confused, we're not talking about salesmen. USC has a men's basketball team that is trying to pull itself out of the depths it was taken to by a horrible coach. Part of the way you do something like that is to recruit better players and then try and give those players good coaching and relevant experience.

One way you don't get better is by sitting at home.
 
Look, the CBI is not an elite tournament. No one is denying that. But it's also not the "trophy just for participating". There are over 300 teams in the NCAA and not every one of them plays in the post season. We haven't even been invited in the past several years so yes, being in ANY tournament at this point shows improvement. Turning down post-season play because it's "beneath us" is essentially saying we'd rather sit on our asses than continue playing basketball. The coaches and players were hoping for the latter. Sad that some of our fans would rather do the former.

A lot of us thought we'd be in the NIT the way we closed out this season. I thought we should've been but it didn't happen. That knocks us down to the next tourney, the CBI. Seems that as an "NIT worthy" team, we'd have had a good shot at winning the CBI. Who cares, right? Well as Flanders pointed out above, it would mean a lot more practice and potentially 4 more games this season. Wait and regroup for next season? Tell that to Tyrone Johnson. Bet he'd like a chance to win a few more games at the Colonial Center.

Look at it from this perspective. Out of hundreds of teams that play NCAA ball, there are only 3 that end the season with a win. Every other team goes home having lost their final game (exception: fluke teams that win their last regular season game but don't go to their conference tourney). We've been there twice... when we won the NIT. I'd have liked the chance to go out on a winning note again this year and I think we'd have had a good chance to do so. Might have cost some money but the benefits would be practices, real games and playing while a lot of other teams sat home watching.

Again, I just don't see how any Gamecock fan could not see the logic in this.
 
Originally posted by ShannonL:
Look, the CBI is not an elite tournament. No one is denying that. But it's also not the "trophy just for participating". There are over 300 teams in the NCAA and not every one of them plays in the post season. We haven't even been invited in the past several years so yes, being in ANY tournament at this point shows improvement. Turning down post-season play because it's "beneath us" is essentially saying we'd rather sit on our asses than continue playing basketball. The coaches and players were hoping for the latter. Sad that some of our fans would rather do the former.

A lot of us thought we'd be in the NIT the way we closed out this season. I thought we should've been but it didn't happen. That knocks us down to the next tourney, the CBI. Seems that as an "NIT worthy" team, we'd have had a good shot at winning the CBI. Who cares, right? Well as Flanders pointed out above, it would mean a lot more practice and potentially 4 more games this season. Wait and regroup for next season? Tell that to Tyrone Johnson. Bet he'd like a chance to win a few more games at the Colonial Center.

Look at it from this perspective. Out of hundreds of teams that play NCAA ball, there are only 3 that end the season with a win. Every other team goes home having lost their final game (exception: fluke teams that win their last regular season game but don't go to their conference tourney). We've been there twice... when we won the NIT. I'd have liked the chance to go out on a winning note again this year and I think we'd have had a good chance to do so. Might have cost some money but the benefits would be practices, real games and playing while a lot of other teams sat home watching.

Again, I just don't see how any Gamecock fan could not see the logic in this.
What is more important getting ready for the Women's tournament or Men playing in the CBI? You cannot just get ready for the NCAAs in 48 hours like someone else said. You do know that it is more than turning the lights on in the CLA and playing ball.
 
Originally posted by ToddFlanders:

Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
I'm saying coffee is for closers.
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Oh, I see the problem, I think you're confused, we're not talking about salesmen. USC has a men's basketball team that is trying to pull itself out of the depths it was taken to by a horrible coach. Part of the way you do something like that is to recruit better players and then try and give those players good coaching and relevant experience.

One way you don't get better is by sitting at home.
Haha. Its like talking to a wall with this one. Same poster that said no good teams had ever played in the cbi.

Frank wanted to keep playing. The team wanted to keep playing. Most fans wanted to keep playing. There is no good reason something couldn't have been worked out. With just 1 senior, this team could have used the extra time. And possibly used their late momentum to develop confidence for next year.
 
If the team hasn't figured out to play together in 33 games + exhibition games, that's really bad news. I would have to have a poll on that comment that all fans want to see them keep playing. Save the money for recruiting expenses.
 
I'm not confused at all Todd. Everybody doesn't get a lollipop. Maybe you're a youngster and believes everyone should get a trophy, who knows. I'm an old fart that grew up when you only got in the NCAA'S if you won your conference tournament.

Spare me all the whining about not getting in the freaking CBI. That's a joke.

If you want to see our boys play, go hang out at the gym. That would probably be more entertaining than that 3rd rate tournament.
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Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
I'm not confused at all Todd. Everybody doesn't get a lollipop. Maybe you're a youngster and believes everyone should get a trophy, who knows. I'm an old fart that grew up when you only got in the NCAA'S if you won your conference tournament.

Spare me all the whining about not getting in the freaking CBI. That's a joke.

If you want to see our boys play, go hang out at the gym. That would probably be more entertaining than that 3rd rate tournament.
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Ha. You know that whenever you make a "back in my day" argument that means your day has passed, right? I would also guess that "back in your day" coaches didn't make $2 million a year and athletic department revenues weren't hovering around $100 million a year.

I'm not particularly young, but let me help you with how things are in the present: the CBI isn't about being nice to teams that couldn't cut it, it's about business. It's about a tourney making money, it's about networks making money and it's about teams making money now, and it's about teams (and coaching staffs) getting better so they can make more money in the future. Sure, the kids get a chance to win a trophy, but that's because it's customary to hand out trophies at tournaments.

I'm sure back when you were young and Grady Wallace mussed your hair playfully and called you "kid", you thought it would always be like that. But times have changed, and if you have a chance to get better, you take it.
 
Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
I'm not confused at all Todd. Everybody doesn't get a lollipop. Maybe you're a youngster and believes everyone should get a trophy, who knows. I'm an old fart that grew up when you only got in the NCAA'S if you won your conference tournament.

Spare me all the whining about not getting in the freaking CBI. That's a joke.

If you want to see our boys play, go hang out at the gym. That would probably be more entertaining than that 3rd rate tournament.

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Well said, the CBI is a joke.
 
It should be mandatory to assemble the team and watch as many tournament games together... with coaches. Or is there a rule against that?
 
I never even heard of the CBI before this year and they actually charge teams to participate.
The NIT is boring enough. Who needs as one poster stated a 3rd rate play off?
 
I wouldnt go for the CBI either. Having to pay to play shows exactly what a joke it is. Except for locally it get absolutely zero press play as the scores are listed alongside the high school tennis results. Not a lot of upside. This team started well, went into a swoon, then finished fairly well. I doubt this tournament would have been much of a beneficial springboard to next season. Remember when all of Dave Odom success in the NIT was going to be just what the program needed to take things to the next level? Didn't exactly work out that way. Season is over.
 
Originally posted by Garnet chicken:
If the team hasn't figured out to play together in 33 games + exhibition games, that's really bad news. I would have to have a poll on that comment that all fans want to see them keep playing. Save the money for recruiting expenses.
Saving money for recruiting is not going to help this team get one lick better. We do need to recruit better, but saving money is not how it will happen, and no matter how much we improve in recruiting from one year to the next, our talent is going to continue to be sub-par for a while until this team starts playing even better basketball and winning more. The players we do get will have to exceed their expectations for this team to be successful by working their rear ends off to get better. For that you need as much game experience as you can. You want to help recruiting? Than you show your players as an administration that you believe in them by spending money on them, and you believe in the coach when the coach tells you the players need this tournament experience, BECAUSE THEY DO AND THEY DESERVE IT! Recruits don't want to play for a team that the administration shows it doesn't go to bat for them and their coach and hesitates to make the needed investments in the team. That is hurting Frank Martin when he goes out trying to recruit. And it's really all on his shoulders and his staff's recruiting talent to make it happen, not how much money is in the budget.


This post was edited on 3/18 1:19 PM by ReadR00ster
 
Originally posted by Mox94:
I wouldnt go for the CBI either. Having to pay to play shows exactly what a joke it is. Except for locally it get absolutely zero press play as the scores are listed alongside the high school tennis results. Not a lot of upside. This team started well, went into a swoon, then finished fairly well. I doubt this tournament would have been much of a beneficial springboard to next season. Remember when all of Dave Odom success in the NIT was going to be just what the program needed to take things to the next level? Didn't exactly work out that way. Season is over.
It doesn't matter how lowly the CBI is or isn't, and the money is a drop in the bucket. It doesn't even matter if one fan cares or not. This team NEEDS the tournament experience and it needs the administration to show it cares yet it won't spend a drop in the bucket for them when their coach asks them to. This decision by our athletic department is an epic failure.
This post was edited on 3/18 1:28 PM by ReadR00ster
 
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Garnet chicken:
If the team hasn't figured out to play together in 33 games + exhibition games, that's really bad news. I would have to have a poll on that comment that all fans want to see them keep playing. Save the money for recruiting expenses.
Saving money for recruiting is not going to help this team get one lick better. We do need to recruit better, but saving money is not how it will happen, and no matter how much we improve in recruiting from one year to the next, our talent is going to continue to be sub-par for a while until this team starts playing even better basketball and winning more. The players we do get will have to exceed their expectations for this team to be successful by working their rear ends off to get better. For that you need as much game experience as you can. You want to help recruiting? Than you show your players as an administration that you believe in them by spending money on them, and you believe in the coach when the coach tells you the players need this tournament experience, BECAUSE THEY DO AND THEY DESERVE IT! Recruits don't want to play for a team that the administration shows it doesn't go to bat for them and their coach and hesitates to make the needed investments in the team. That is hurting Frank Martin when he goes out trying to recruit. And it's really all on his shoulders and his staff's recruiting talent to make it happen, not how much money is in the budget.


This post was edited on 3/18 1:19 PM by ReadR00ster
This. When the coach publicly states he and the team want to keep plplaying. No matter where or when. And the administration basically gives him the big f u. Thats not helping build a program in any way.span>

This post was edited on 3/18 2:27 PM by DirtyCock99
 
Good decision not to play in a losers of losers tournament. Win games through the year and we wouldn't have to worry about it. This is not pee wee league or Tee ball.
 
Originally posted by basses:

Good decision not to play in a losers of losers tournament. Win games through the year and we wouldn't have to worry about it. This is not pee wee league or Tee ball.
Yeah. We all understand your line of thinking. Even though youre wrong, we get it.

Now try to see it in reality. One major thing you can do to get better and win more games, is to gain more experience in tournaments like the cbi. No matter what some fans want. Frank knew this was an avenue to get his team better.
 
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:


Originally posted by basses:

Good decision not to play in a losers of losers tournament. Win games through the year and we wouldn't have to worry about it. This is not pee wee league or Tee ball.
Yeah. We all understand your line of thinking. Even though youre wrong, we get it.

Now try to see it in reality. One major thing you can do to get better and win more games, is to gain more experience in tournaments like the cbi. No matter what some fans want. Frank knew this was an avenue to get his team better.
Like I said, get opportunities by winning during the year, not some losers mentality tournament.
 
Originally posted by basses:
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:


Originally posted by basses:

Good decision not to play in a losers of losers tournament. Win games through the year and we wouldn't have to worry about it. This is not pee wee league or Tee ball.
Yeah. We all understand your line of thinking. Even though youre wrong, we get it.

Now try to see it in reality. One major thing you can do to get better and win more games, is to gain more experience in tournaments like the cbi. No matter what some fans want. Frank knew this was an avenue to get his team better.
Like I said, get opportunities by winning during the year, not some losers mentality tournament.
Jesus man... In order to get better, to win more games next year, Frank wanted the extra practice and games in the ''losers tournament".

How is this logic lost on you?
 
"What They're Saying" about the College Basketball Invitational
"It's huge, really big for us...Obviously, in the postseason, this group that we've had the last two years, if you add
it up, we're (10-0) right now in the postseason."
- VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart, 2010 CBI Champions and 2011 Final Four Participants when asked about
using the CBI experience as a springboard to NCAA Tournament success (2011)
"There's been a lot said about VCU and how it benefited them...You're playing basketball when no one else is
playing. You're practicing when no one else is practicing." - Creighton Head Coach Greg McDermott (2011)
"It's great to finish out the [tournament with a victory]...The kids wanted to do more this year. They didn't feel
they had done what they set out to do." - Pittsburgh Head Coach Jamie Dixon (2012)
"It was a great experience and a challenging event for our team. We are happy to have had the opportunity to
play in the College Basketball Invitational." - Butler Head Coach Brad Stevens (2012)
"It may be different if we were a group of seniors and older guys. With a young group, you've gotta want to play.
Every experience we could put these guys through, whether it's going on the road to play games...we didn't do as
well on the road as we have in the past." - Texas Head Coach Rick Barnes (2013)
The CBI has been "just a great experience for us." - George Mason Head Coach Paul Hewitt (2013)
"I think it's just great to play in the postseason, regardless of what tournament it is, just having a chance
to play, taking advantage of it. Now we're down to no more chances to ever play in a Duck uniform."
- Oregon senior Joevan Catron (2011)
"We can't simulate - in the spring, summer or fall - these games against Tulsa, Richmond and
Santa Clara. These last three games were more intense than the regular season. It'll be an incredible
experience to draw on and you can't put a price on that."
- Wright State Head Coach Billy Donlon (2013)
"This was the right thing to do. Overall, it will be good competition for our players...There are a lot
of advantages." - Pittsburgh Director of Athletics Steve Pederson (2012)
"(UCF head coach) Donnie Jones knows there will come a time next season when he'll point back
to something from Wednesday's win against St. Bonaventure - the way UCF defended in the 2-3
zone or the way the Knights attacked offensively with their drive-and-kick game - and realize the direct
benefits of playing in the postseason." - John Denton, Knights Insider (2011)
"The crowd was alive...some sort of living, breathing entity with ear shattering, rock concert, airplane
noise. It began to grow as it formed at 3 p.m. to await the chance to get into the building. It flowed down
the concourse, filling up the seats like lava flowing out of a volcano. It rocked and rolled and roared."
- From the El Paso Times on Game 2 of the 2009 CBI Championship Series at UTEP
"The national title game was a dud, but at least I got to enjoy the College Basketball Invitational
final - Oregon's dramatic 71-69 victory against Creighton."- Gary Horowitz, Statesman Journal (2011)
 
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
"What They're Saying" about the College Basketball Invitational
"It's huge, really big for us...Obviously, in the postseason, this group that we've had the last two years, if you add
it up, we're (10-0) right now in the postseason."
- VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart, 2010 CBI Champions and 2011 Final Four Participants when asked about
using the CBI experience as a springboard to NCAA Tournament success (2011)
"There's been a lot said about VCU and how it benefited them...You're playing basketball when no one else is
playing. You're practicing when no one else is practicing." - Creighton Head Coach Greg McDermott (2011)
"It's great to finish out the [tournament with a victory]...The kids wanted to do more this year. They didn't feel
they had done what they set out to do." - Pittsburgh Head Coach Jamie Dixon (2012)
"It was a great experience and a challenging event for our team. We are happy to have had the opportunity to
play in the College Basketball Invitational." - Butler Head Coach Brad Stevens (2012)
"It may be different if we were a group of seniors and older guys. With a young group, you've gotta want to play.
Every experience we could put these guys through, whether it's going on the road to play games...we didn't do as
well on the road as we have in the past." - Texas Head Coach Rick Barnes (2013)
The CBI has been "just a great experience for us." - George Mason Head Coach Paul Hewitt (2013)
"I think it's just great to play in the postseason, regardless of what tournament it is, just having a chance
to play, taking advantage of it. Now we're down to no more chances to ever play in a Duck uniform."
- Oregon senior Joevan Catron (2011)
"We can't simulate - in the spring, summer or fall - these games against Tulsa, Richmond and
Santa Clara. These last three games were more intense than the regular season. It'll be an incredible
experience to draw on and you can't put a price on that."
- Wright State Head Coach Billy Donlon (2013)
"This was the right thing to do. Overall, it will be good competition for our players...There are a lot
of advantages." - Pittsburgh Director of Athletics Steve Pederson (2012)
"(UCF head coach) Donnie Jones knows there will come a time next season when he'll point back
to something from Wednesday's win against St. Bonaventure - the way UCF defended in the 2-3
zone or the way the Knights attacked offensively with their drive-and-kick game - and realize the direct
benefits of playing in the postseason." - John Denton, Knights Insider (2011)
"The crowd was alive...some sort of living, breathing entity with ear shattering, rock concert, airplane
noise. It began to grow as it formed at 3 p.m. to await the chance to get into the building. It flowed down
the concourse, filling up the seats like lava flowing out of a volcano. It rocked and rolled and roared."
- From the El Paso Times on Game 2 of the 2009 CBI Championship Series at UTEP
"The national title game was a dud, but at least I got to enjoy the College Basketball Invitational
final - Oregon's dramatic 71-69 victory against Creighton."- Gary Horowitz, Statesman Journal (2011)
Right, all comments coming from coaches that participated in the CBI tournament. What do you expect them to say? 'We went to the CBI and it was a completely useless experience.' It is roughly the equilavent of the (i) applying and not getting in an ivy league school; then (ii) apply and not get into a public school; then (iii) getting into Midlands Tech then telling a potential employer how terrible the experience was.

We have a participation banner up for each NCAA and NIT apprearance. Would you want us to add a CBI particpation banner?
 
No banner needed. Practice and games are needed. Which is evident in the comments if you look at them objectively. "We're practicing and playing when no one else is" "with such a young team and no seniors, our players needed the extra time" etc. We have a young group. They need more practice and experience. Frank wanted that too. But by all means keep focusing on other aspects to form your baseless argument.
 
Originally posted by basses:

Good decision not to play in a losers of losers tournament. Win games through the year and we wouldn't have to worry about it. This is not pee wee league or Tee ball.
I once heard a story told by the great Civil War historian Shelby Foote that after he wrote his first novel he gave it to his friend, William Faulkner, to read. When Faulkner finished it, the only words he said were..."do better next time."

I don't what Ray Tanner told Coach Martin as to why we didn't accept a cbi invitation, but "do better next time" is all he needed to say.





This post was edited on 3/18 5:46 PM by DarkCock
 
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
Unfortunate. 85% of fans c want to see this team keep playing. Money couldnt be the reason. Has to be a conflict with the women hosting.
Told you 3 days ago when this post started and you posted above .....that you're " polling numbers" were going to be way off.... you're entitled to your opinion, but as I predicted you are in a small group of posters that want SC to play in the CBI
 
Originally posted by bosoxcock:
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
Unfortunate. 85% of fans c want to see this team keep playing. Money couldnt be the reason. Has to be a conflict with the women hosting.
Told you 3 days ago when this post started and you posted above .....that you're " polling numbers" were going to be way off.... you're entitled to your opinion, but as I predicted you are in a small group of posters that want SC to play in the CBI
Or some agree but dont feel like putting forth the effort to argue with uninformed posters. I just happen to have some 'free time' on my hands now.

Regardless of what you or i think. Frank wanted his team to get the extra time. That trumps all fan opinion.
 
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:


Originally posted by bosoxcock:

Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
Unfortunate. 85% of fans c want to see this team keep playing. Money couldnt be the reason. Has to be a conflict with the women hosting.
Told you 3 days ago when this post started and you posted above .....that you're " polling numbers" were going to be way off.... you're entitled to your opinion, but as I predicted you are in a small group of posters that want SC to play in the CBI
Or some agree but dont feel like putting forth the effort to argue with uninformed posters. I just happen to have some 'free time' on my hands now.

Regardless of what you or i think. Frank wanted his team to get the extra time. That trumps all fan opinion.
I know one informed person that agrees with me , and his name is Ray Tanner.
 
Originally posted by bosoxcock:
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:


Originally posted by bosoxcock:

Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
Unfortunate. 85% of fans c want to see this team keep playing. Money couldnt be the reason. Has to be a conflict with the women hosting.
Told you 3 days ago when this post started and you posted above .....that you're " polling numbers" were going to be way off.... you're entitled to your opinion, but as I predicted you are in a small group of posters that want SC to play in the CBI
Or some agree but dont feel like putting forth the effort to argue with uninformed posters. I just happen to have some 'free time' on my hands now.

Regardless of what you or i think. Frank wanted his team to get the extra time. That trumps all fan opinion.
I know one informed person that agrees with me , and his name is Ray Tanner.
Really? Well shed some light on this for us. What was rays reason to decline it... Remember that youve already discounted the one reason most agree on, that he declined because of the women hosting... So what it is bro?
 
We didn't make the NCAA's. That's understandable.

Realistically, our goal was the NIT. It really sucks that we can't get an invite there but that's where we are as a program.

I'd be pissed as hell if we went to the CBI. In life, you need to feel the pain of failure every now and then. When your kids bring home C's on their report cards, do you take them out for pizza and ice cream?
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Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
We didn't make the NCAA's. That's understandable.

Realistically, our goal was the NIT. It really sucks that we can't get an invite there but that's where we are as a program.

I'd be pissed as hell if we went to the CBI. In life, you need to feel the pain of failure every now and then. When your kids bring home C's on their report cards, do you take them out for pizza and ice cream?
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Nope. You make them study more. Gain more knowledge in any way you see fit.

In this case, FM wanted more study time for his students.

Try again
 
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:

Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
We didn't make the NCAA's. That's understandable.

Realistically, our goal was the NIT. It really sucks that we can't get an invite there but that's where we are as a program.

I'd be pissed as hell if we went to the CBI. In life, you need to feel the pain of failure every now and then. When your kids bring home C's on their report cards, do you take them out for pizza and ice cream?
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Nope. You make them study more. Gain more knowledge in any way you see fit.

In this case, FM wanted more study time for his students.

Try again
FM and team can watch the other worthy teams in post season play. If he wants study time make them watch game footage throughout the season.
 
You guys are hilarious. Coach and team wanted it. They had plenty of injuries and suspensions, yet still finished with a winning record after most of you had written them off. Now you take it personal that they wanted to play in the cbi... A tournament that some of you think is beneath usc. Even though just about every team that has participated in the tournament has a stronger history than usc.

And you wonder why its been so hard to get good players in here. Smh
 
Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
You guys are hilarious. Coach and team wanted it. They had plenty of injuries and suspensions, yet still finished with a winning record after most of you had written them off. Now you take it personal that they wanted to play in the cbi... A tournament that some of you think is beneath usc. Even though just about every team that has participated in the tournament has a stronger history than usc.

And you wonder why its been so hard to get good players in here. Smh
I'm sure Frank Martin and the team wanted a lot of things. The NIT wanted more wins, Frank and team didn't provide it.
 
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