Another Dabo lie
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OK....but your contention is that DABO cost Kyle Parker $800,000? The kid was a tremendous athlete (I think he just called up to the Rockies, actually, but I don't follow MLB so don't quote me on that). He was also a helluva football player, and he had a stronger arm than any QB I remember playing at Clemson or South Carolina. He loved the game. You paint the picture like him and his parents (who were very financially stable, unlike many other college athletes) wanted to quit football, and Dabo leaned on them and somehow forced them to choose football. Of course Dabo (and every Clemson football fan) wanted him to continue to play football. You should hope Spurrier would try to convince a kid of the same thing as a USC football fan.
Saying Dabo was a liar because he said Kyle Parker had a shot at the NFL? OK, but it seemed any scout with an opinion at the time agreed with Dabo. Because the NFL thing didn't work out for Parker doesn't make Dabo a liar about his potential to play in the NFL, as much as your amigos wish it did.
I didn't know you sat in on all those meetings with the players. I will give you Kyle, but we had a chance to be really good that year if he wasn't hurt against Auburn by a cheap shot. As for Tajh, I think we all knew it was going to be tough for him to transition to the next level. I remember a lot of gamecocks on that train. Why not come back and enjoy being a great college player a la Tebow. He won the Orange Bowl and beat OSU for crying out loud. As for CJ, he was a top 10 draft pick. He was hampered with injuries his junior year. How many running backs get drafted in the top 10 these days?
Still not sure where the lie is in this story. First, this story states "If Clemson told McDonald that he would be dropped for taking other visits, I have no problem with this. If they did not, it is not a good precedent to set." Well it is very well known that Dabo has told and continues to tell recruits who commit that he expects them to be committed and stop other visits. The guy tried to hide his visit and Clemson cut ties. Dabo didn't lie, he actually stuck to his word. Also, there was more in play here than just a recruit on a visit.
This article gives more details to the story: http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2...oest-much-like-us-dabo-swinney-or-this-state/
For those that don't want to read the whole article, here are a few pieces: "Dabo Swinney has made it pretty clear over the past few years that Clemson can and will move on if a committed player starts taking visits to other schools. McDonald isn’t the first player the Tigers have backed away."
Also, this article gives more backstory as to the shady dealing of the coach and his players.
This article has nothing to do with telling lies. Good try though coots. Dig deeper. Still haven't heard any Dabo lies yet.
Dabo has said the same thing about the first two rounds. He doesn't have an issue, but if he disagrees with that assessment then he will voice it.
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What makes Dabo a hypocrite is that he has no issue talking to or trying to sway another team's commitment because they're fair game but the same doesn't apply to committed Clemson players. B
What makes Dabo a hypocrite is that he has no issue talking to or trying to sway another team's commitment because they're fair game but the same doesn't apply to committed Clemson players. B
I don't know if I would call dabo a liar but he certainly stretches the truth. Definitely a hypocrite. He preaches against domestic violence and claims to have a zero tolerance but then look at McDaniel and Craig. He also proved he's a coward when he backed down from receiving an award from Palmetto Family Council a group that opposes gay marriage. But he had no problem appearing for a group against domestic violence.
If that is you definition of a hypocrite then I can buy that. I think you just called every coach in college football (and most other sports for that matter) hypocrites but I can live with that. However, this thread started with calling Dabo a liar, not a hypocrite. I have still not seen anything that shows him to be a liar.
One final thought about the 3 players listed that came back for their senior season. Not a single one of those players has ever said they regretted their decision to come back to Clemson for 1 more year. Actually, all 3 have publically stated they were glad they made the decision they did.
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Lived here my whole life as well, but have traveled enough to realize that the rest of the country, a significantly higher amount of people, refer to everything Dabo said exactly the way Dabo said it.
I was out at the SoCal/UCLA game at the rose bowl last year and brought up the 'true Carolina' conversation to some UCLA fans I met. They laughed and thought it was moot. They knew North Carolina was better than South Carolina in basketball and vice versa for football. They refered to them as the Tar Heels and the Gamecocks. Calling one team in particular Carolina was a foreign concept for them.
I asked them what they knew about Clemson and one of the guys wasn't sure whether they were in South Carolina or Georgia. The guy didn't seem too bright to begin with but it still gave me a laugh. They didn't follow anything to do with the SEC or ACC. Only Pac12, B1G, and a little Big10.
CU96: I apprecxiate your well-traveled career, but a couple of thoughts:
1. The Scripted Rant turned out to be a good thing for Carolina (not Dabo's Carolina). Pouting on TV about getting pounded year after year is a good thing when you are the year after year pounder.
2. Depends on your where you are traveling, doesn't it? In SEC territory (pretty much all I care about anyway - who really cares what people in Syracuse or Boston think), Carolina is us. In Dabo's Carolina, it is UNC. USC (I prefer SC myself) is the same. SEC/Deep South - us, maybe even in Dabo's Carolina. Where football isn't equal to life itself, I'd concede it is Southern Cal. Similar to Death Valley - Tobacco Road and Virginia thinks Clemson. Rest of country thinks LSU.
Me? I liked the Scripted Rant and believe it should be played in Williams-Brice during time outs, as comic relief. His love for all things UNC is a nice embarassment that should be played early and often. Personally I can't stand the Chapel Hill prima donnas, but to each his own.
1. The Scripted Rant turned out to be a good thing for Carolina (not Dabo's Carolina). Pouting on TV about getting pounded year after year is a good thing when you are the year after year pounder.
2. Depends on your where you are traveling, doesn't it? In SEC territory (pretty much all I care about anyway - who really cares what people in Syracuse or Boston think), Carolina is us. In Dabo's Carolina, it is UNC. USC (I prefer SC myself) is the same. SEC/Deep South - us, maybe even in Dabo's Carolina. Where football isn't equal to life itself, I'd concede it is Southern Cal. Similar to Death Valley - Tobacco Road and Virginia thinks Clemson. Rest of country thinks LSU.
Me? I liked the Scripted Rant and believe it should be played in Williams-Brice during time outs, as comic relief. His love for all things UNC is a nice embarassment that should be played early and often. Personally I can't stand the Chapel Hill prima donnas, but to each his own.
heres a picture of some of them escaping from Patrick B. Harris Mental Hospital in Anderson, SC......I'm almost certain 1/2 of the clemson posters in this thread are in this pic
Too bad Tajh didn't take advantage of that weak QB draft. He would have been a high draft pick with a nice contract + signing bonus. His shot @ making an NFL team would have been much better since a team would have invested in him and taken time to develop their investment.
Dabo's convinced Tajh to ignore a nice amount of income for his future playing in a league he dreamed about making..
Methinks Hintorh1 is a bit cranky. But I suspect he'll get his nap time shortly. Plus, school starts in less than a month, and I suspect his usage of Mom's desktop Gateway computer will be severely curtailed anyway
I know people come to other teams' sites to cause issues, and I suspect some Carolina fans do the same. I've never felt the need to do so and not sure why anyone else does, but as I said, to each his own. I suspect they'll go away after late November, and hopefully we'll get a nice long period of silence again, like we've all enjoyed for so many years.
I know people come to other teams' sites to cause issues, and I suspect some Carolina fans do the same. I've never felt the need to do so and not sure why anyone else does, but as I said, to each his own. I suspect they'll go away after late November, and hopefully we'll get a nice long period of silence again, like we've all enjoyed for so many years.
Yes since it was all Dabo that convinced him to come back. There was no consulting his family or anybody else. That makes a whole lot of sense. Dabo lied to him, knowing this would happen just so we could have a winning year.
Do you really make this stuff up in your head and really believe it? Guess what, you have no idea what went on in the discussions. You literally have no clue. You are talking about this like it is a fact as if you were there. "Dabo's convinced Tajh to ignore a nice amount of income for his future playing in the league he dreamed about making.." Not only can I not understand how you actually believe that, but you may want to proofread before you post. Are you a third grader?
As I said earlier, Dabo has publicly stated that if you aren't projected in the first round and you have first round potential, then he thinks you should come back. There is no secret about that. The fact of the matter is you are assuming that he is lying to these kids to get them to come back which is completely ridiculous.
Do you really make this stuff up in your head and really believe it? Guess what, you have no idea what went on in the discussions. You literally have no clue. You are talking about this like it is a fact as if you were there. "Dabo's convinced Tajh to ignore a nice amount of income for his future playing in the league he dreamed about making.." Not only can I not understand how you actually believe that, but you may want to proofread before you post. Are you a third grader?
As I said earlier, Dabo has publicly stated that if you aren't projected in the first round and you have first round potential, then he thinks you should come back. There is no secret about that. The fact of the matter is you are assuming that he is lying to these kids to get them to come back which is completely ridiculous.
Hey fool....go look @ the draft Dabo convinced Tajh to ignore and tell us who the 1st QB in the draft was? Tajh had just beaten LSU in his last game and would have been selected before him.
If Tajh leaves, your team is stuck with a pitiful Cole Stout and true Freshman head case Swag Kelly. You don't think your coach wanted Tajh back @ Clemson???
Yes, since organizations base their draft picks on which teams won in head to head matches.
Guess what? Mettenberger is an NFL starter, and Tajh can't even make a team! Do you not think that would have been observed in Combines and highlight tapes? Not to mention Mettenberger is the typical size for an NFL QB at 6'5 while Tajh is 6' or 6'1.
Your lack of football knowledge is mind blowing considering you are on a football message board.
Guess what? Mettenberger is an NFL starter, and Tajh can't even make a team! Do you not think that would have been observed in Combines and highlight tapes? Not to mention Mettenberger is the typical size for an NFL QB at 6'5 while Tajh is 6' or 6'1.
Your lack of football knowledge is mind blowing considering you are on a football message board.
#1 QB in 2013 draft projection was Geno Smith. Actually, here is a list of top 10. Where do you actually think Tajh would have fit into this list? My guess is 7-8 at best. http://walterfootball.com/draft2013QB.php
The 2014 draft did have more QB's but it didn't really hurt Boyd's overall draft number IMO. Here is the 2014 projected list before the draft with Tajh listed as #13. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dr...raft-quarterback-rankings-bridgewater-manziel
Boyd was further down the QB list in 2014 but there were more QB's taken earlier in the draft. His overall selection did not suffer.
Boyd won ACC POTY in 2014 and was the OB MVP with a win over Ohio State going into the draft. The LSU was very nice but was not worth more than the OB win for his draft status. If anything, they were equal in comparison at best.
**edit** My apologies. Sammy Watkins was named the OB MVP, not Boyd. However, he was the ACC POTY that year. I don't want to have a thread started calling me a liar!
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A 25 year old EJ Manuel was the 1st QB taken in the 2013 NFL draft by the Buffalo Bills and you guys now are saying Tajh would not have been selected in that draft. LMAO @ the dumbasses from Clemson feebly attempt to defend the Clemson image created by lies on the internet.
If you don't think your coach is the self serving ass that he is, why did he practice an injured Deshaun Watson, tear his ACL, and then play him on it for 4 quarters in a football game risking his NFL draft potential?
Face the facts...Your football coach is a babbling idiot interfering with the chances some of his players have to make money playing football in the NFL.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bil...ills-no-32?_ga=1.1190645.594362426.1424646296
I don't want to get into a tit for tat with you. You bring up some valid points. You seem to forget just this year the 5 star yall got from Florida (McLoud?) visited Auburn and Dabdumb didn't drop him. So yes he lied to either this guy in 2012 or he lied to the 5 star. You can't have it both ways.
This board spouted for 4 years that Boyd was a mediocre QB at best who was terrible in big games and was the product of Morris' system. Now you are arguing that he would have been the first QB taken in the draft had he come out as a Junior?
Apparently he practiced Watson because the doctors, medical staff, and Watson all said he was ok to practice. He tore his ACL in practice which was unfortunate but it happens. He was allowed to play against USC because he was able to play and was not going to injure it any worse. Also, we apparently knew that he was not in any danger of being tackled by anyone on your team.
Let's be honest for just a second. Cole Stoudt was not a very good QB, but even he could have completed those TD passes to Artavis Scott. Your defense was not out of position because they were afraid Watson was going to run the ball. Your defense was out of position because they just weren't very good.
Nobody said that he wouldn't have been drafted. Maybe you are the dumbass that can't read... I said that he wouldn't have been drafted in the first round.
They are different situations and you have no clue what went down with it nor do I so I wont make assumptions and state them as fact. However I would bet a lot of money that Dabo didn't pull his offer just because he was taking visits. There were definitely other factors that went in to this.
I appreciate the civil discussion and I know you aren't looking for a "tit for tat," but the situation you bring up is not the same as the one mentioned earlier. McLoud did visit Florida with Deon Cain, but Dabo and staff knew about the visit in advance. It was not a hidden visit.
Before we go any further, I know the next line that will be posted so I will go ahead and address it. Deshaun Watson visited Auburn without the coaches knowledge and even lied about the visit before it came out. Call Dabo a hypocrite if you want because he did still take the franchise QB. Then refer back to the article I posted earlier that said "Dabo Swinney has made it pretty clear over the past few years that Clemson can and will move on if a committed player starts taking visits to other schools." He did not say he had to or would make no exceptions. He said he could and he would if he felt like it was the right thing to do.
Again, call him a hypocrite of you like. However, a hypocrite and a liar are not the same thing.
It is funny how you all insult your own team and coach without knowing it. So Dabo is a liar because he pulled McDonald's scholarship for an unknown reason so what does this make Spurrier? At least he didn't go so far to get banned from recruiting at the high school and pull a scholly right before signing day, leaving that player no other options. It even said that Spurrier accepted the blame for the situation with no explanation.That is classless.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo.../atlanta-high-school-bars-spurrier-recruiting
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo.../atlanta-high-school-bars-spurrier-recruiting
Of course Dabo wanted Tajh back, as did every other single Clemson football fan. I view Dabo selling Tajh (and any other Junior short of a Sammy Watkins) on coming back for their senior year as part of the head coach's job. I care about Clemson football, and I don't even get paid to care. Dabo does. I find it really, really odd that you guys posture on message boards that Spurrier is doing the right thing by not even trying to convince kids to come back for their senior years and help the football team you love (not to mention get their degrees). In this regard, Spurrier appears to be lazy and apathetic about his job and program, and you praise him for it. I'd be more than a little irate if Dabo wasn't trying to talk every single kid into coming back for their senior year. He's only been wrong in a handful of cases (Nuk Hopkins comes to mind); he didn't even try with Sammy because it was so obvious. This year? I really, really hope he's successful in convincing Mackenzie Alexander (RS soph) and Jayron Kearse (JR) to come back in 2015. He probably won't be, but he damn sure better try. What a weird attitude you guys have about Spurrier not doing what should be considered an essential part of being a head coach.
So by the same token, couldn't you bash Spurrier for not trying to get guys to come back for the betterment of their career? Didn't Vic Hampton and Kelsey Quarles go undrafted when they left early? I thought they were pretty good players and probably would have been drafted if they would have stayed.
No...you said it was better for Tajh to stay @ Clemson and play for Dabo instead of getting an NFL contract and signing bonus after being drafted in 2013 when competition with other QBS for draftpicks was extremely low.
Could you quote where i said that? I have a feeling that you will be looking for a long time because I never said that. I did say that he wouldn't have been drafted before mettenberger.
I guess you are used to twisting someone's words in order to argue. That's what you all have been doing since I've been on this site with anything pertaining to Clemson.
I guess you are used to twisting someone's words in order to argue. That's what you all have been doing since I've been on this site with anything pertaining to Clemson.
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Not sure about your timeline. It was cleared up, at least in our news, before the rant.
This isn't my timeline. This is an ESPN article about the event. The article states "But even though information moves fast in the digital age, the correction came too late for Swinney, who unloaded earlier Thursday when asked about the comments."
This statement explains Swinney made his rant "earlier Thursday" before the comments were cleared up. Also, if they had been cleared up before Dabo's rant wouldn't one of the media have said something when Dabo started with questioning if Spurrier had really said it or not?
Yeah...and you were probably first in line buying eggs and scrambling them on tajh's house after the bubble burst in a loss to Georgia Tech in 2011....
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/02/tajh-boyds-house-egged-last-saturday-night/
When's the last time dumbo thought it was a good idea for a player to enter the draft early? That speaks volumes.
Probably when he thinks the back up has potential to be beter than the starter NFL sscouts are making plans to draft. That is also how he decides whether he should play injured players.
Haha. Not so fast. Link where dumbo advised Potkins to leave school early?
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