For starters, less government and less dependency on the government.
Culture shock for Mcllwain.....
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You may want to check their professors...they are from all schools of thought, especially in economics and government....which is one reason Cal-Berkeley is so highly thought of. Their reputation in engineering and the sciences is also top notch....not sure how "conservative" or "liberal" would apply their.
How do you teach less government? Serious question. That sounds like indoctrination to me which is what I thought we wanted to avoid in college, no?
As someone who has worked with both universities on international projects, you are wrong. Cal has more than a few conservatives there. there are a dozen Republican/conservative/conservative religious groups at the Cal campus. While 58% of the student body there defines themselves as liberal, the rest define themselves as moderates or conservative or libertarian. More than 16% define themselves as Republican. While the liberal voice drowns out the rest and their antics get the headlines, there are more than a few conservative voices at Berkeley.
While I applaud this post, I think it bears repeating that we were originally talking about diversity of thought. Diversity of thought is a whole different bag than whether you lean left or right or demographic stats on who voted for which one of 2 horrible candidates. Pigeonholing people as 100% this or 100% that is the overly simplistic, easy out used to justify a point of view that one has no interest in having challenged.
That said, thank you for the affirmation that Berkeley is not the Sodom and Gomorrah it's made out to be by the open-minded and diverse crew on FGF.
I meant teaching the "idea" of conservatism. I didn't say put a gun to their heads to accept conservatism. They won't even allow a conservative to speak on their campus without rioting. How is that allowing free speech?
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That is a small group of people rioting, at a school of about 40,000 in a densely populated part of the country, which is wholly different than the administration of the school. They did shut down subsequent speakers when they feared it would happen again. That is too bad, but I understand the safety concerns. Auburn did the same thing.
Are you sure conservative ideology is not taught at Berkeley? Is it banned from all PolySci syllabi? I don't know but would find that to be a surprise.
While I have spent more time on the Cal campus than on the Liberty campus as my involvement with Liberty is only a couple of months old, by and large the kids on both campuses are by and large very nice. Because the hiring placement out of Cal is one the highest in the country, you get a lot of kids who apply there regardless of ideology. They want jobs and Cal gets people hired. My feeling is that the Cal student body is less homogenous than Liberty.
That's what I'm saying.
It sounds nice to say that, but how is that included in a curriculum?
Calexit.... oh it's out there.
This pushes a stereotype that California is completely clueless about the rest of the country and how they are their own crazy world. It's fun to talk about California's economy and how large it is but it is extremely pathetic gdp is 11th compared to the rest of the country. http://bfy.tw/8gPm
I heard Brandon is a huge liberal and wanted a more progressive education. I heard that was his main motivation for transferring, not the prospect of playing
Small group? Looks like a ton. You asked how you teach conservative values because it was indoctrinating. I gave you an answer.
Horsehockey. Out of 1200 organizations on campus 2 are Republican. The other stats are made up as well.
I didn't even know UCB had a football team or is he just playing baseball. When you end up at UCB you didn't have many options IMO. I hope it works out for him and his mom.
Cal definitely has a football team which has put many players in the NFL: Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch, Keenan Allen, Jared Goff, Desean Jackson, etc.
I just "duded" commented myself.Yeah, you know them. They have a gold "Cal" in script on dark blue helmets.
OK now I'm really confused let's pretend I never mentioned it
DANG that crack cocaine.
Kinda interesting, this conversation .... remember when a bunch of conservative students and alumni in Georgia got up in arms about a speech by Bill Ayers? I do.
To me, not much difference between those on left who want free speech for themselves but deny it for others and those on the right who do the same.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/9815276/bill-ayers-visit-to-georgia-southern-canceled
To me, not much difference between those on left who want free speech for themselves but deny it for others and those on the right who do the same.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/9815276/bill-ayers-visit-to-georgia-southern-canceled
Add literature to that....and I hope they are teaching US history more accurately than when I learned it in the 60s and 70s.
Amen. I wish they would actually teach history as it actually happend instead of the PC half truths.
Doubt any.....but I do remember Kent State, Selma and the Chicago police outside the DNC. Neither side has a pretty history when it comes to protests or quelling protests.
I had to learn the hard way which side's PC I got in HS. Hard lesson when one of your professors wrote a book on the subject.
Touche' but it's Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn who were behind a lot of this rioting and protests. Police officers were also killed in the blast not many conservatives are terrorist or want to overthrow the gov. Also it's the Ayers type professors at UCB etc. that promote this and hide under their desk. And Go Cocks....LOL
Conservatives have to take the blame for Richard Daley in Chicago now? That's a bit of a stretch.
When did teaching kids to riot instead sitting down like adults and use intellect instead of mob rule become good education?
Well, for one, I'd like them to be exposed to the idea that if there is a speaker at your school with whom you disagree, go listen to that speaker and debate him. Don't protest and lobby the administration to cancel the event.
Actually, your question itself is inaccurate. I don't want them to be "exposed" to any "conservative" principles. I want their own opinions challenged, from any angle. Doesn't matter if it's conservative or not.
By cancelling an event you reward those who threaten violence. The only way to put that down is to take them on. Do you think any college or university would cancel a liberal event? I'd like to see the day a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton event was cancelled because of violent threats made by conservative groups. That will never happen. It's the libs who are the party of violence not the conservatives.
You want zero diversity??? Go to UCSC....
Like minded liberals live in trees and protest that Rosa Park Hall needs an african color and black students should get reduced or free hosing...
You're taking very few extreme incidents and interpreting that as the norm.
You're speaking in really broad terms.
Universities absolutely embrace debate. That's what happens when people are exposed to different ideas. Being outspoken and protesting is not something administrations will change.
Daley was pretty much law and order. But fine, how about some of the Southern sheriff departments throughout the deep south...or someone a little more contemporary, Timothy McVeigh. Conservatives have had their share...just like the liberals did with SDS and still do.
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