Did Joyner Show us What Satterfield was Hoping for in a Healthy Doty?
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????? Mac Brown said they gameplanned to stop the run....and simply couldn't do it.
Gee this hating on Satterfield is getting old as hell. He is our OC. Beamer knows the situation much better than anybody in this forum. It’s ok to voice an opinion but we don’t need to hear it over and over. Please just move on. You can pick it up next year if need be and tell everyone you told us so. If that floats your boat ok. We could go win the East next year and some of you would still be butt sore we didn’t fire the gut because you wanted him fired. We need continuity if he can get the job done let him. How many OC have we gone through in the past 6 years? Let Beamer do his job and everybody else be a fan not a critic.
I want to see more of those swing passes to Juju.
Sure, I'll quit responding with facts when Satterfield's fanboys quit starting incessant threads trying to rub one good game out of his three in everyone's faces.
I'll stop when people quit defending this loser and realize that for a large majority of this season he has called horrible games and terribly mismanaged talent.
Sound fair?
I’m not defending him. It’s time to trust our head coach not fans who know better. But I’m not going to change your mind. Don’t want too. You may ultimately be right but it’s not our call. It’s the head coaches call. So far he seems to be good to stay the course. I just think we have explored this and voiced it enough. You don’t like the man. Ok. You don’t think he is a good coordinator ok. You think our program is doomed if we keep him. Maybe so. I don’t think so but I could be wrong. But I can’t make the call neither can you. Just time to support the team the coaches and show a little unity. Not trying to piss you off. I don’t get mad when people have differing opinions. But I do think this has been beat to death. Let’s be happy about 7 wins and improving recruiting for a team predicted to win 3 games.
Fine. But this is a sports forum where we discuss sports (mainly our Gamecocks), good, bad, ugly, etc. And I have given Beamer and even Satterfield credit for their good games and wins in multiple threads.
You can choose to just blindly trust the PTB. I question everyone because I don't think anyone is beyond reproach. My criticism is almost always based on facts. When it's an occasional petty complaint, I'll fess up to it.
If you want to say this has been beaten to death, then you also need to address those that are constantly starting "I told you so" threads and trying to shush people that hold a different opinion.
Be consistent in your admonishments.
I had to laugh at that. Sorry. Carry on.
Laugh it up. Like I said, if it's a petty complaint based on personal preference, I'll acknowledge it in the post itself.
Something I find funny is how people that disagree with me can't provide any facts to prove my point wrong.
This. Exactly this. Anyone pretending that our coaches were missing some sort of diamond on our roster based upon this performance are simply confirming their own bias.
It was a great move and it got better as the day went on. It could have gone the other way.
No way in hell it would have worked that well all year.
Criticizing the coaches because we didn't start him at quarterback? A mismanagement of talent? Laughable.
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Hey, I like a lot of your posts. But that just FORCED me to laugh, couldn't help it. And that's a fact!
Ok I think that’s fair. We all need to move on to other issue or topics. For me, I just need to quit reading Satterfield threads. But in all threads once opinions are flushed out maybe we need to ageee to disagree if we do. Maybe we find other topics to opine on.
Lol. Fair enough. I guess I've got battle fatigue on this New Year's Day! 🤣
Well we weren't doing those zone runs with Zeb at QB.
There should have been options going in to the TAMU game.
Let's just hope the coaches learned their lesson.
I don’t think Satt is as bad as some ppl say. We can’t criticize him when our offense is bad but not give him credit when it’s good. Our overall team was bad last season and he came in and had a better offense than Clemson without 5 stars all over the roster on offense.
Fair enough.
I guarantee you our coaches would have loved to have had someone that could run the read option all year long. That's why they stuck with Doty as long as they did.
Dak would have been broken in half by A&M or Georgia.
That's a wild assumption.
Not in my opinion as wild as assuming he would have been successful. Admit it, you had all but written him off as someone that could help our program. You, like others are just using this as another reason to criticize the coaches. North Carolina's defense was little league compared to Texas A&M's. Add to that the surprise factor and a whole lot of luck and we had a great victory. Stop trying to use it to further your agenda.
I never posted anything negative about Dak or Shane Beamer.
Agenda? You're the one making immature accusations towards other posters.
Nossir, don't agree with those statements. Mof, the same "agenda" angle could be said for any of you that jump on those that blaspheme The Book of Doty.
"Ah well, Doty would have won that game just as well." "Ah well, Doty's never been 100% (which is false)." "Ah well, its easy when the OL is blocking like that." Always the caveat.
At qb, all we had seen to any degree of Joyner was wildcat; this time we saw legit qb work and it was a major difference. "Broken in half" is nothing but another caveat in defense of The Book of Doty.
And yeah; based on what we had seen and how he was included in our offense up to now, I was one that had pretty much written him off. But what we had seen of Dak at qb prior to the bowl is a HUGE difference compared to what we have seen of Doty at qb. In essence we've seen three "seasons" of Doty at qb; 2020 season, spring 2021, 2021 season. Same Doty, all three seasons. That's not "writing off" Doty at this point.
I and others certainly don't dislike Doty as a player, but a qb he ain't; anything further from this stage at that position for him is just belaboring that point.
This is not true. Joyner got chances at QB his first two years. The film of which is likely the reason our current staff was reluctant to give Joyner many options to throw out of the wildcat this year. Kudos to whomever figured out how to get that performance out of Joyner for the Mayo bowl. Joyner should also be a valuable weapon out of the wildcat in 2022 and something else opposing defensive coordinators will have to prepare for.
Uh, no. You got the wrong guy. I'm not on the Doty bandwagon. He may have been the best thing we had at some point in the season but that isn't saying much. Is it possible that Dak could have been a tiny bit better? Sure.
But that doesn't change the fact that people are second-guessing the coaches decision on who to play with hindsight as an ally. Please.
I'll give you that even Beamer is now saying perhaps they should have given Joyner a closer look earlier in the season. In no way does that change the fact that the kid had done very little previously to warrant that look. Even when he caught the ball as a receiver I was beginning to question whether he was really that slippery or fast as had been touted.
I'm as happy as I can be for the win and super super happy for Joyner. I would be surprised if our record was any better if not worse had he been at quarterback all year. But I know none of this helps your narrative that Beamer is not the guy and satterfield needs to be fired.
"There should have been options going into the TAMU game"... I apologize if I lumped you in with other posters based upon my interpretation of this statement. Sounds like you second guessing the coaches to me. Which of course is sure right but that's how I took it.
If you hadn't lost faith in Joyner as a major contributor to this program you would be one of the few, because I certainly had.
Hammer meet nail! It is beyond obvious that the plethora of arm chair coaches on this site have significant, short term memory.
Who'd have thought that Beamer is now part of the anti- Beamer crowd?
Because that sounds like it's in the same ballpark as: "There should have been options going into the TAMU game"..
But seriously, I'm not comfortable with arguing its a positive for a coordinator that a qb played a flukey good game, and it was a one time thing. No one has said that verbatim, but it sure seems like that's the idea.
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Now you have the wrong guy; I’ve supported and been glad we got Beamer and Satterfield from day one; check it if you like. Doesn’t change the fact that yes I do believe they put a bit too much in their Doty stock, and some high profile guys agree with that also.
The coach that prepped Joyner for that performance would be one Marcus Satterfield.
Sounds like we have nothing to argue about!
I don't disagree. And I certainly wish they had given Dak a longer look. Maybe even in the former coaches tenure.
If they can find some way to parse the type of performances he had against North Carolina combined with just not screwing up like he did against Georgia a couple years ago he probably would have been a better option than a lot of our quarterbacks. But again hindsight is always 20/20.
The zone run type plays are essentially the same you are describing as "wildcat". However, it does look like the 1st big pass play v. UNC was some kind of RPO out of a zone run play.
I would not limit Dak to a handful of run plays.
I absolutely was. There was no way they should have expected Zeb to carry the team v. TAMU.
All you have to do is look at the difference 2 different mobile guys made in our offense to see the obvious.
And none of us had access to what Joyner could do at this stage in his career, but there's no way Steve wouldn't have put Dak or Jason Brown in earlier in the season. He did it with Syvelle when we had protection problems.
Satterfield likely saved his job, but at the mid-point in Oct, he was headed for the door. It was ugly.
This.
This is my sole beef with the coaching staff. Our ship was sinking and we kept on with the same thing over and over, allegedly under the premise of no one besides the Colonel or Doty was "ready" when it was plainly obvious that whatever those two guys were "ready" for, it wasn't winning football games. Again, I love them both but when its broken it needs replacement.
I love how all we heard heading into the season, throughout the season and up to 12/30 was about how this was an NFL system. The team struggled through the season and it was because we didn’t have the personnel for this advanced NFL system. After the season we lured all these guys in with the NFL system. One game later with a WR being the most effective QB we’ve seen all season and now it’s a question of whether Doty would have been running RPO if he was healthy. The flexibility to try and justify the horrible offensive production we witnessed throughout the season is pretty impressive.
You are so full of shit. You spin everything to the negative about Satterfield, and it's NOTHING but your biased opinion.
QB talent matters. Fact. Ask Lane Kiffin.
Nope. I love calling out biased idiots like you.
How stupid do you feel now?
From the Mack Brown thread:
Lol.... Satterfield was never headed for the door. Only in the minds of people like you. He was going to get at least another year no matter what you think.
Again you have the benefit of hindsight with all this. Give the coaches credit for trying something different without criticizing them for not doing it earlier. It's not so hard.
If they had put Dak in and he had lost the game for us, or played so poorly We had to pull him out quickly, what would you be saying now? It could have easily gone that way.
There's a segment of you here that the coaches can do nothing right for. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Thank God you don't make decisions for our university.
Amen.
And you are correct. He wasn't going anywhere. Rational people understood the situation and how difficult it was. Just a small group howling monkeys that started sniffing each other's farts and figured if they whined enough that it would be reality.
