Many people say that Coach K is way worse on sidelines than Frank but because he wins it gets overlooked. When you don’t win it gets magnified and seems like a tyrant running the program. Frank does lose it on sidelines a good bit but if we were to watch ALL coaches, then we would see he is far from the worst. It’s because he does not win much that it seems worse and gets more negative attention.
Frank I thought you said....
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This should not be an excuse to keep a coach in perpetuity. No, we are not a basketball school. However, there is enough talent in this area for us to be better if we get the right coach which, in my opinion, we have rarely done. Players do know where Columbia, SC is. That is proven by the rise of the women's program. We have a coach which today's player responds to and they come. Right now, we just don't have it on the men's side. Yea, I know the player-coach speak about how the players on the team now love Coach Martin. However, to me players vote their choices in coming to your school. In looking at our team, we play a clunky style of offensive basketball that today's players won't respond to for the most part. This is not the 90's. Most of the players playing now weren't even on this earth during the rock-fight basketball games of that era. So they don't care about that style. We need to stop trying to fit a square peg into a round circle and accept that we need a change.
I bet you were saying the same thing about Muschamp. You remind me of some of my loser mentality friends that tried to talk me out of breaking up with my x girlfriend saying things like if I broke up with her who else would date me. They are all eating crow now. Have some self respect.
Maybe so. At least Coach K mixes it up with positivity. Frank typically stays in tyrant mode for all 60 minutes.
I'm not here to dish out relationship advice. You're on your own with that one pal. Self Respect? You're the one that brought up your past relationships out of nowhere. If you've found love, that's great. Now, let us not talk about this again. Have a great day Casanova.
Your inability to see the correlation tells all that is needed to know.
Teams like Virginia or Wisconsin under Bo Ryan were successful because of efficiency. They didn’t turn the ball over and they didn’t foul. They played slow and didn’t always get great shots, but what they didn’t do is throw away possessions or give their opponents free throws. Other coaches, like Martin, who want to create turnovers and chaos too often do that at the expense of fouling. When you play well coached teams, more often than not they can still create efficient scoring opportunities against aggressive defenses. You just compound their ability to be efficient offensively by giving them free throws.
Conversely, you can live a little bit better with a low field goal percentage if you’re getting shots. If you’re turning the ball over 15, 16, 17 times a game— that’s 5,6,7 less shots a game than a quality opponent is getting. If you’re a team that shoots it at 40%, those extra 7 shots are critical.
Coach Martin did give Jacobi Wright a fist bump last night. I think Coach Martin should of refrained his comments about AJ Wilson during the post game interview.
Nah, sometimes he goes into pouting mood for 20min where he sits and does nothing and says nothing.
You hit the nail on the head!!!! Thornwell and Dozier led that team and with the support cast that you mentioned they overcame Martins antics. Plus someone (surely not Martin but maybe Thornwell and Dozier) installed a terrific zone defense led by Thornwell and Dozier at the top disrupting every offense they faced in the tournament. Even Coach K and Duke struggled against it! That same zone defense allowed us to cut into Auburns lead last week and gave us a chance to tie the game late in the second half before a couple of turnovers caused Martin to resort to his "hack attack" defense (in his words a "tough hardnosed man to man"). In reality nothing more than a "backdoor to heaven defense" that Coach Pearle immediately ripped apart.
Every year…this is my best team yet, I love these players, etc! It has gotten old!
So, on his resume he should put he is a 'good good man' and hope his next stop is dumb enough to pay him over $3M per year for teams that are less than mediocre. Damn, Frank has it made.
In the.. they aren't allowed to eat apple sauce by themselves, special.
There was no saving Mike Holmes. The greatest problem and enemy he had was himself.
if you’ve ever been to any of K’s practices, you’d know he isn’t very “positive” at all. But it seems to work for him as it does many.
If you don’t want to fire a coach, you don’t have to wait out his contract. Just quit renewing it, adding on years. He’ll get the message and you can save yourself a few years.
if you’ve ever been to any of K’s practices, you’d know he isn’t very “positive” at all. But it seems to work for him as it does many.
If you don’t want to fire a coach, you don’t have to wait out his contract. Just quit renewing it, adding on years. He’ll get the message and you can save yourself a few years.
I like Frank Martin and want him to succeed. Martin is in his 10th season at South Carolina.
You wrote, "Coach Martin is making inroads with those kind of kids [top basketball talent in SC] now." After almost 10 seasons, he is making inroads? Why hasn't he already made inroads?
You wrote, "The man is a very good coach." What successes should fans expect from a very good coach? How many regular season wins? How many post season wins?
The man has 3 losing seasons out of 10 and that included the Covid season. I would consider his tenure here as a success.
Staying home 8 out of 10 years is not a success.
he is not a good coach, in fact he sucks as a coach. He cant recruit, win games, run games, coach his coaches. he simply cannot do a F45king thing right. On a another note, you are a troll, or a dumbass for defending this terrible coach.
The schools around us are definitely not meaningless. How many coaches in program history have done what you say is not unreasonable?
Maybe that last paragraph is a harsh reality; maybe its telling us something.
Kids do not grow up wanting to play for South Carolina. Its not the sexy school. To advance past what we are and have been for decades will take actions and mindsets outside the box. Doesn't seem we are much interested in that.
I've grown tired of frank too. I harbor no belief that any other coach will come in here and make a significant improvement, but enough is enough with Frank. Were it not for the ridiculous and embarrassing tantrums and ballistic moments, or if those were directed more at officials than at our players, I'd still be on his side, but it is what it is. Dude needs Prozac. Maybe that's telling us something too.
I don't like the proposition that sticking interminably with inertia is preferable to searching for improvement. If we are destined to ever find reliable success, we are only delaying it.
That's right. Just give him another 10 years.
Coach Martin said that Wilson was mentally disconnected and not focused. He also said that Couisnard only played four minutes in the second half is because he was not happy with Couisnard's disposition. I feel like this will only create tension between the players and Coach Martin. Coach Martin did praise Jacobi Wright.
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I can’t stop laughing...... long hahaha.....enough (laughing so hard I’m crying)..... to respond!!! Ha ha ha that’s a good one!!
You have got to be a plant. Frank is doing many things but doing well is not one of them.
Coop truer words were never spoken. Even Coach K who probably invented defense saw the light a few years ago and began a fast paced style. Frank hasnt evolved. Today is run gun shoot dunk. Frank is Princeton without the weave. Time to bring Mens Bb into the current era
Agreed. Frank's coaching methods and style of play are not inline with today's player.
As I said in the other thread we are a complacent and extremely patient group with zero desire to succeed. There's literally no school that would've kept Martin this long. Even schools like Wofford, Tulsa, South Dakota St would've fired him by now but not us...nope.
Typical Martin jibberish, excuse making, arrogant, know it all crap! He is so smart, and knows so much more than the rest of us, other coaches and most any other human alive! Players dont like him, he cant recruit! Show him the door and take Ray with him!
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