Is this the end of the Frank Martin era??

[TheCockyTex]

3 key starters gone next year. 2-5 additional players will be kicked off team. Program regressed about three years in the matter of a week. Will Frank want to start the rebuilding process all over again at a school where even when it's been built it doesn't have enough national respect as a 25 win top 3 SEC school to even make the ncaa tourney. I think he sees the writing on the wall. Pitt would be a perfect fit for his tough brawling style.

I thank him for his effort but wouldn't blame him one bit for moving on.

 

[Clemsuck]

No.

 

[Garnet chicken]

The big weakness exposed again.. No shooters.

 

[TheCockyTex]

The big weakness exposed again.. No shooters.

Pretty big problem to have in the sport of basketball.

 

[palmettocock1]

Looks like he doesn't want to be there

 

[SilatGamecock]

Any shooters coming in.

 

[1vagamecock]

We will be down the next 3 years. But maybe.we can steal a ncaa bid.

 

[tailgatecock]

3 key starters gone next year. 2-5 additional players will be kicked off team. Program regressed about three years in the matter of a week. Will Frank want to start the rebuilding process all over again at a school where even when it's been built it doesn't have enough national respect as a 25 win top 3 SEC school to even make the ncaa tourney. I think he sees the writing on the wall. Pitt would be a perfect fit for his tough brawling style.

I thank him for his effort but wouldn't blame him one bit for moving on.

Just don't see this team better next year! Suspect recruiting in some ways and Frank will be in year five. You just don't get your ass kicked in the suck ass NIT, home court, top seed! Would rather have Dave Odom, jmo!

 

[dcdayday]

I guess he is realizing that the SEC is not a basketball conference and the NCAA doesn't recognize it as one either.

 

[mywillyispurple]

Kstater here, honestly i've never seen frank as a program builder. He inherited a plush roster at Kstate and yes succeeded with it. But there's a connection with Frank's success at Kstate and news from today, that's Brad Underwood taking over at OSU. I firmly believe, even stronger now than ever that Underwood was the straw the stirred the drink when Martin was at KSU, and Frank was the angry attention grabbing face of the program. Not trying to be a total debbie downer, Frank has made SC somewhat relevant again but i hold my doubts Frank without key personnel on his staff can maintain a program at a really high level year in and year out

 

[dcdayday]

Kstater here, honestly i've never seen frank as a program builder. He inherited a plush roster at Kstate and yes succeeded with it. But there's a connection with Frank's success at Kstate and news from today, that's Brad Underwood taking over at OSU. I firmly believe, even stronger now than ever that Underwood was the straw the stirred the drink when Martin was at KSU, and Frank was the angry attention grabbing face of the program. Not trying to be a total debbie downer, Frank has made SC somewhat relevant again but i hold my doubts Frank without key personnel on his staff can maintain a program at a really high level year in and year out

Come on now. Frank didn't have any talent when he got here. Then trying to recruit in ACC country makes even tougher. There are more Tarheel fans in Columbia than Gamecock fans.

 

[TheCockyTex]

Kstater here, honestly i've never seen frank as a program builder. He inherited a plush roster at Kstate and yes succeeded with it. But there's a connection with Frank's success at Kstate and news from today, that's Brad Underwood taking over at OSU. I firmly believe, even stronger now than ever that Underwood was the straw the stirred the drink when Martin was at KSU, and Frank was the angry attention grabbing face of the program. Not trying to be a total debbie downer, Frank has made SC somewhat relevant again but i hold my doubts Frank without key personnel on his staff can maintain a program at a really high level year in and year out

Still is a head scratcher to me why he'd leave a top program in big 12 to come to USC. It seems kstate fans didn't lose any sleep over him leaving though, which should've been a big red flag to USC fans.

 

[robertfootball]

We'd be stupid to let Frank go. But it wouldn't surprise me, USC is famous for doing stupid crap. Our baseball coach has been getting a free pass for years, Frank should get all the free passes he wants in my opinion.

 

[tailgatecock]

The big weakness exposed again.. No shooters.

Fours years of recruiting has done not much more than Horn! And than there are those that blame not having the 5 suspended players for the loss, LMAO! Which one of those players would have lead us to victory? NONE!!!!

 

[dcdayday]

We'd be stupid to let Frank go. But it wouldn't surprise me, USC is famous for doing stupid crap. Our baseball coach has been getting a free pass for years, Frank should get all the free passes he wants in my opinion.

We still haven't rebounded since we fired Felton after 20 wins. All the while Jesus Shuttlesworth himself Ray Allen was a right up the road at Hillcrest as a high school senior. Smh!

 

[76gintcock]

Fours years of recruiting has done not much more than Horn! And than there are those that blame not having the 5 suspended players for the loss, LMAO! Which one of those players would have lead us to victory? NONE!!!!

Do you actually that this team is no better than Horn's last two teams? If so, you're at least slightly deranged.

 

[TheCockyTex]

Do you actually that this team is no better than Horn's last two teams? If so, you're at least slightly deranged.

Only difference is Frank increased our mediocre Eastern European player quota from one to two.

 

[dcdayday]

Fours years of recruiting has done not much more than Horn! And than there are those that blame not having the 5 suspended players for the loss, LMAO! Which one of those players would have lead us to victory? NONE!!!!

None of those guys would have led us to victory but it would've been more competitive game to have guys that could provide more depth. Silva,Gregory and Stroman could've gotten valuable minutes and help spell the starters.

 

[tailgatecock]

Do you actually that this team is no better than Horn's last two teams? If so, you're at least slightly deranged.

No dude not deranged but you might be! This team was OK! What 25 win team has ever been left out of the big dance? I think we made history! Go respond to some other thread!

 

[tailgatecock]

None of those guys would have led us to victory but it would've been more competitive game to have guys that could provide more depth. Silva,Gregory and Stroman could've gotten valuable minutes and help spell the starters.

Home court, top seed, got you ass spanked, what's your point by losing by 7 less points?

 

[dcdayday]

Home court, top seed, got you ass spanked, what's your point by losing by 7 less points?

Being competitive is the difference. Home court wasn't an advantage because the arena was nearly empty.

 

[cockn'fyr]

None of those guys would have led us to victory but it would've been more competitive game to have guys that could provide more depth. Silva,Gregory and Stroman could've gotten valuable minutes and help spell the starters.

Not to mention you have 10-15 fouls to give to play the kind of D we are accustomed to playing, so yes not having those extra bench players made a difference! You might not realize it, but I betcha' they do!

 

[tailgatecock]

Being competitive is the difference. Home court wasn't an advantage because the arena was nearly empty.

Jesus, And it's home court! Yes it's an advantage! God almighty. Your a 1 seed and it's the suck ass NIT! Do you need a new brain?

 

[dcdayday]

Jesus, And it's home court! Yes it's an advantage! God almighty. Your a 1 seed and it's the suck ass NIT! Do you need a new brain?

What's up with the insults? Let's stick to talking about the game instead of personal attacks. Like I said not much depth on the bench and a sparse crowd is not really a home court advantage.

 

[pepsicock]

Fours years of recruiting has done not much more than Horn! And than there are those that blame not having the 5 suspended players for the loss, LMAO! Which one of those players would have lead us to victory? NONE!!!!

 

[cockhornleghorn]

Come on now. Frank didn't have any talent when he got here. Then trying to recruit in ACC country makes even tougher. There are more Tarheel fans in Columbia than Gamecock fans.

That is a preposterous statement.

 

[dcdayday]

That is a preposterous statement.

How so?

 

[cockthehammer#]

We still haven't rebounded since we fired Felton after 20 wins. All the while Jesus Shuttlesworth himself Ray Allen was a right up the road at Hillcrest as a high school senior. Smh!

I've seen a good bit about Ray Allen being a military brat that no ties to this state other than his dad being transferred to the base when Ray was in high school. Ray had NO interest in playing college hoops here, by all accounts. I do agree with you about Felton, though!!

 

[king ward]

Still is a head scratcher to me why he'd leave a top program in big 12 to come to USC. It seems kstate fans didn't lose any sleep over him leaving though, which should've been a big red flag to USC fans.

He left up there because he was getting heat from the leadership about his demeanor. I like Frank Martin a lot and consider him a good coach, but he's been trying to do it with mirrors.

Defense and rebounding are important but the trick of basketball is to get the ball in the basket, which this team could never consistently do.

So, here we are in tatters at the end of Frank's fourth year and here Frank is at the crossroads. Dance in Five or don't survive. Whether you agree or not, that's what it's going to come down to.

 

[FORKCOCK]

We will be down the next 3 years. But maybe.we can steal a ncaa bid.

3 years???

If so, fire him now.

3 years is a lifetime these days.

 

[76gintcock]

He left up there because he was getting heat from the leadership about his demeanor

I think that this is rank revisionism. I don't think it had anything to do with demeanor. Martin left because he was getting no support from the AD. Specifically, his best player was suspended right before the NCAA regionals and he was never even consulted. As I recall, it was a really bad call by the AD.

 

[Bongsummers]

How so?

There aren't more Tarheel fans in Columbia. Not even remotely.

 

[king ward]

I think that this is rank revisionism. I don't think it had anything to do with demeanor. Martin left because he was getting no support from the AD. Specifically, his best player was suspended right before the NCAA regionals and he was never even consulted. As I recall, it was a really bad call by the AD.

The AD didn't like him and so didn't support him and thus undermined him.. It was a personality thing, ergo, he didn't appreciate Frank's court-side carriage. That suspension was more a symptom than a cause. Had he felt kinship with Frank, Frank wouldn't have been closed out of the decision. I'm not saying the AD was the one who was right. I'm saying he didn't like Frank. That factor crystallized around the suspension.

 

[Rod Dangerfield]

Overall stupidity in this thread is astounding.

Frank Martin inherited a gigantic turd laid by Horn. In 4 years, he's polished it to 25 wins. I'm very happy with him. Hope he's here a decade.

 

[king ward]

Overall stupidity in this thread is astounding.

Frank Martin inherited a gigantic turd laid by Horn. In 4 years, he's polished it to 25 wins. I'm very happy with him. Hope he's here a decade.

Me, too. Dance in Five or Don't Survive.

 

[76gintcock]

Me, too. Dance in Five or Don't Survive.

I hope you realize that your two sentences are inherently inconsistent. "Me, too" means give him 10 years. The second sentence is a one year ultimatum.

 

[67gamecock]

Kstater here, honestly i've never seen frank as a program builder. He inherited a plush roster at Kstate and yes succeeded with it. But there's a connection with Frank's success at Kstate and news from today, that's Brad Underwood taking over at OSU. I firmly believe, even stronger now than ever that Underwood was the straw the stirred the drink when Martin was at KSU, and Frank was the angry attention grabbing face of the program. Not trying to be a total debbie downer, Frank has made SC somewhat relevant again but i hold my doubts Frank without key personnel on his staff can maintain a program at a really high level year in and year out

Hmmmm . . . the 'Eddie Fogler Syndrome' surfaces again?

 

[king ward]

I hope you realize that your two sentences are inherently inconsistent. "Me, too" means give him 10 years. The second sentence is a one year ultimatum.

No inconsistency at all. I hope he's here 10 years. I also believe he has to Dance NEXT year. Performance matters. No dissonance, however.

 

[e11ys]

Most of this thread is ridiculous. Wonder how many of the fire Frank critics in here were at the game last night trying to support our shorthanded team? The KState guy saying that Frank is not a program builder must be living in a different reality. From literally one of the most toxic, sorry situations in major conference mens basketball to being one win away from dancing in a 4 year span. What a failure, right?

 

[gamecockengineer2011]

Frank has done a lot with the program which was basically started from scratch when he got here. He may not be bringing in McDonalds AA every year but he really has upgraded the overall level of talent. I think he is changing the perception of USC basketball around and hopefully he can leverage the 25 win season this year into winning the recruits we need to take the next step. Im no sunshine pumper, but if you cant see the progress you must have your head in the sand. And for all these Kansas State people who are talking shit or saying they are glad Frank is gone, look at their program since he left. They made the NCAA the first two years after he left (and lost in the 1st round), and the last two years they havent made the tournament or NIT. Sour grapes if Ive ever seen em...