Hill's stats are definitely damaged by his receiver's not being table to catch a cold.. HOWEVER, why not give Doty Valuable experience for Next year?? we know HiHilinski will transer, he is too GOOD to sit on the bench..
Rumor on Twitter about Doty starting
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The rumor is that he’s starting.
The rumor doesn’t specify at what position.
Could be starting at WR.
As much as some seem to hate Hill, IIRC he leads the nation in percentage of passes dropped, I think over 13% of his passes are dropped.
The rumor doesn’t specify at what position.
Could be starting at WR.
As much as some seem to hate Hill, IIRC he leads the nation in percentage of passes dropped, I think over 13% of his passes are dropped.
I will be shocked if we do. Not because of performance, just flat economics. We lost $50MM in revenue this year already, we do not have the coin to make a change right now.
After the LSU game, Hill was about middle of the conference for SEC QBs for drop rate. It's been a factor, but it's not skewing his stats the way some would seem to think.
Cocky, I agree about you about Ryan Hilinski. I just think Luke needs a little more seasoning as a passer, if Luke would’ve been the starter at the beginning of the year; I believe he would be settling in as a passer right now. The truth is I don’t trust Bobo or Muschamp to do right by Luke.
If Muschamp makes a change because of demands from players, then that indicates, at least to me, that he is losing control of his team. Not that I wouldn't like to see a change, but I'd rather hear that the coaching staff, including Bobo, have decided a change is necessary.
I could go either way. As I've mentioned before, there's nothing saying we have to cut a single, multimillion dollar check for him to go away. It can be paid in smaller installments over a longer period of time. It can also be negotiated down, if both parties are willing.
The coaches were foolish last year in how they managed HIlinski. They had him throwing the ball 57 times in his second start ever. Asinine. I think with competent coaching and proper management last season he would have developed into a fine QB.
Right, we also would be paying off the rest of the staff though as some have multi years I believe, and we have to pay the NEW replacement staff which may be expensive if we hot anyone worth hiring... Often we would be on the hook to pay off some of their existing contracts to buy them out too... It is ain’t cheap to make a move! Honestly, if this virus stuff does not go away soon, we may see revenues fall again next year and it could lead to these coaching contracts being simply unsustainable for the immediate future.
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Again, everything is negotiable. That is, if we had an AD that knew how to do it. 😒
That’s an odd statement. The guy is in his second year. Really want to just give up on him and let him just fly out of Columbia because he hasn’t earned starting job
This is an excellent summation and highlights the frustration with the staff! We don’t think things out, just knee jerk reactions. We have talent on this team but we need direction. We have recruited defensive line well, have 2 potential NFL corners and we look absolutely lost on defense.
Hill is a good story but gosh, try something different for a few series. Get some reps for the backups. Every well coached team makes adjustments. This is not blaming Hill, I admire his drive and determination. I would be very frustrated as a backup quarterback here though
I love Luke Doty and what he brings to our team “skillset wise”, but I will be honest about what I see from our players, if I get footage of their play in high school. He was great at Myrtle Beach, and he made all the throws to make him one of the top recruits in the nation! But that doesn’t mean he can automatically do that in College football. I do believe he would have success running the ball, throwing short slants, and “screens, but I have questions about his timing on throwing the ball downfield. And if he could place the ball in “tight windows, on intermediate passes in this league. In my opinion he needs one year of development in the passing game, but he could play right now and be miles ahead next year. Doty has all the intangibles to be a star, I just don’t wanna see him pushed out on the field to early, where he could lose some confidence in himself.
There’s only two things Muschamp can do to “Spark” this team .
1. Jam a butter knife in an outlet in the locker room
2. Quit
Don’t know about you guys but I’m down for either option
1. Jam a butter knife in an outlet in the locker room
2. Quit
Don’t know about you guys but I’m down for either option
Ryan didn't really get a fair shake IMO. Thrown into the deep end last year and was injured to boot. Maybe he hasn't progressed, but no one really knows, b/c no one trusts Chump to make a good decision anyways.
This is the thing. In one breath, people condemn Muschamp as a total incompetent, but in the next breath express total confidence in his QB evaluation.
For being a 5th year senior playing in the same offensive system, Hill hasn't been substantially better than Ryan was as a true freshman last year. We'd have to believe that Ryan has made essentially no progress at all since last year, which may be the case, it happens.
I have no confidence in Muschamp’s evaluation of a quarterback or a quarterback coach. I did think he made the right decision in switching Bentley to coach QBs but That eventually “changed” when Bobo got here. Which I thought was a mistake, and not shocking with Muschamp at the helm. I really believe Collin Hill would be holding a “clipboard, right now if Bobby Bentley was coaching quarterbacks.
My hunch, and I have nothing to base this on, is that Muschamp would have gone with Hilinski but deferred to Bobo on choosing Hill.
Obviously, nobody here knows. Our only options are either to believe Champ got it right or that he didn't. I lean towards his track record of not getting it right.
This is the problem when you change up staffs and systems, with no real continuity through the head coach. Roper liked Brandon Mcilwain. Bobby Bentley wanted to coach his son and Roper also liked Jake Bentley. Bentley was taught to run Roper’s system, and Mcilwain transferred. Roper also liked Urich and Joyner. You then jettison Roper, and replace him with Dan Werner, who is left to coach the guy’s Roper recruited. Werner was never going to play either Joyner or Urich at QB, except in an emergency. Bentley goes from a lot of short timing routes to heavy RPO and more deep passes.
Then you start the cycle all over again. Werner likes Hilinski and Doty. He’s fired and Bobo is left to coach the guys Werner recruited. Bobo brings in his preferred QB through transfer and will bring in Gauthier this year and Stockton next year, who are his guys.
Kind of reminds me of Matt Jones, who was QB at Arkansas for it felt like a decade...
That's the safe bet. I'll always lean that way. But if BOOM! deferred to his OC and got out of his way, that's about all we can ask. Well, not all, but a good bit of it.
But the CEO is really Scary!
I thought that was his Halloween gitup, but no, it real.
He is scary as hell!
Here is where the problem is.....Muschamp specifically said we have two quarterbacks that can win on this football team. Well, Muschamp, put the other one in because the first one is 2 and 3. It is starting to look like Bobo is picking favorites now. Hill is his boy. Bobo recruited him and not Hilinski. Bobo needs to start Hilinski to see what he will do with a better offensive system, a better offensive line, and a young qb that proved his mettle as a true freshman. What do we have to lose?
Why do we consistently recruit QBs who show all the tools in high school, but show up here and suddenly can't play a lick?
They dont get any better under this staff, Apparently...
OR maybe they need to recruit some big guys to help Block
It’s interesting that he had very similar stats to Nix and Guarantano they were embraced as next gen QBs while Hilinski was not.
The real frightening part is that Hill would have been holding the clipboard at Colorado State if he wasn’t starting here.
because they are usually trying to throw to other QB's that have been converted to WR and cannot get open or they have no time to throw. both make a QB look bad, it boils down to recruiting or lack of.
Mainly the above; First of all you have to have more than one receiver who can (1) run the route correctly, (2) get open(see (1)), and (3) actually catch the ball when it's thrown to him ( lack of all of the above seems to be the case with all our WR’s except Shi Smith. Second, you actually have to protect said QB long enough for him to throw the ball accurately, which is just a little difficult when your O-line consistently has one or more players totally missing assignments in pass protection ( and it’s not the same guy(s) every time). Until those items get fixed, you could have Tom Brady at QB and the end result would be exactly the same. The real question is why we’re still having those issues in year 5.
He wouldn't be a statue in the pocket awaiting a sack.
Truth bomb.
Reality is, there’s not really many other P5 programs where he would sniff the starting job.
I think this assessment is pretty close. Our pass protection and receivers have not been good at all. Even Shi has dropped a bunch of passes. At some point, the dropped passes and lack of protection can get in a QBs head. I think the past few games you may have seen a bit of that.
Overall, Hill has been pretty good in my opinion considering what he's had to work with. He does take some sacks and hasn't been the most mobile, but his accuracy was good through the first few games.
It's hard to judge him fairly when you have this many holes in your passing games.
This sounds exactly like what a coach who kicks field goals down three TD’s would do.
We’re at a point where the season is shot. I don’t see a problem with trying every damn QB option we have. It’s clear the coaching staff has absolutely no clue anyway.
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