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This. It isn’t merit based academic scholarships they’re giving out.I don't believe that Vanderbilt "gives" an athlete an academic scholarship, just like that, if they aren't a scholar worthy of it. What they do have in place is an opportunity to attend at a reduced cost that is income based, as long as they qualify academically for admission. This is still a huge advantage because they can save those 11.7 athletic scholarships.
Good for them. I am happy to see a superior academic school succeeding. They can offer the same financial assistance in other sports. How's that working out for them?I don't believe that Vanderbilt "gives" an athlete an academic scholarship, just like that, if they aren't a scholar worthy of it. What they do have in place is an opportunity to attend at a reduced cost that is income based, as long as they qualify academically for admission. This is still a huge advantage because they can save those 11.7 athletic scholarships.
You’re ignoring that Vandy wouldn’t have any tradition without the unfair advantage.Good for them. I am happy to see a superior academic school succeeding. They can offer the same financial assistance in other sports. How's that working out for them?
Tradition is why they get top athletes in their baseball program. Rocker and Leiter (spelling) would have no problem paying tuition at any school. Their daddy's have $$. They chose Vandy because of tradition.
Not to mention the minimum amount that has to be given is 25%. Back in my day, you were considered "on scholarship" if you were given book money out of the 11.7. It's harder to spread around these days.Teams in Power 5 conferences get 11.7 scholarships to distribute among 27 scholarship players on a 35-man roster, with the other eight able to receive financial aid from the school but not the athletic department. It used to be a player could only recieve one or the other, not both. That changed this year and they can recieve both athletic money and school aid. These changes happened in part to combat Vandy's advantage. It has narrowed the gap somewhat.
Imo tho, baseball should get aprox. 5 additional scholarships to be in line with softball. Makes no sense to give the same number of scholarships to teams that are vastly different in size. I'm not a title IX opponent, I just believe it's not implemented correctly.
I agree. And as for their perceived advantages, what are they doing that Duke, Stanford, or Notre Dame don't do or could not do? Vanderbilt is just doing it better. In fact, where is it written that state schools couldn't apportion scholarships differently?Good for them. I am happy to see a superior academic school succeeding. They can offer the same financial assistance in other sports. How's that working out for them?
Tradition is why they get top athletes in their baseball program. Rocker and Leiter (spelling) would have no problem paying tuition at any school. Their daddy's have $$. They chose Vandy because of tradition.
The difference is that Vandy has an endowment that allows them to set the standards, if memory serves. And they have done so to suit their baseball needs. If we had such an endowment we could do the same. However we do not.I agree. And as for their perceived advantages, what are they doing that Duke, Stanford, or Notre Dame don't do or could not do? Vanderbilt is just doing it better. In fact, where is it written that state schools couldn't apportion scholarships differently?
Are you honestly arguing sports should just be determined by whomever is richer?I agree. And as for their perceived advantages, what are they doing that Duke, Stanford, or Notre Dame don't do or could not do? Vanderbilt is just doing it better. In fact, where is it written that state schools couldn't apportion scholarships differently?
Cry me a river!You’re ignoring that Vandy wouldn’t have any tradition without the unfair advantage.
I see you’re continuing to ignore logic.Cry me a river!
I'll believe it when they actually increase baseball from 11.7. Until then... 🙄... to expand on my previous post, the NCAA has already made adjustments to scholarship allocations after Vandy's rise to prominence and it's possible they may do it again. So one could argue their rise may very well be good for baseball in the long run. Lol
I honestly dont think they are done looking at it. Now whether or not they act is a different story. But if changes dont happen after this year it will be a long time coming.I'll believe it when they actually increase baseball from 11.7. Until then... 🙄
They are playing by the rules and kicking ass. There's some logic for ya.I see you’re continuing to ignore logic.
at least you’re consistent.
As I pointed out, at least with respect to the other private schools, there are ways to compete. Either they choose not to, or they aren't as enlightened in the scholarship aspect. Hats off to Vanderbilt. They have found a way to compete at something.The difference is that Vandy has an endowment that allows them to set the standards, if memory serves. And they have done so to suit their baseball needs. If we had such an endowment we could do the same. However we do not.
As for other academic scholarships, many of them have their own set standards that have to be met, and are not as easily adjusted to suit the needs because they are not University specific. They are given by private foundations/individuals for a specific course of study.
Of course, in state kids do have access to the lottery scholarships, but those don't help the out of state kids.
I'm arguing just the opposite. I think the issue here is flexibility and creativity more than sheer bankroll. Besides, Vanderbilt doesn't print money as far as I know. And they aren't even that big as far as private universities go. It's about structure and vision.Are you honestly arguing sports should just be determined by whomever is richer?
I'm arguing just the opposite. I think the issue here is flexibility and creativity more than sheer bankroll. Besides, Vanderbilt doesn't print money as far as I know. And they aren't even that big as far as private universities go. It's about structure and vision.
So, they ought to be National Championship contenders in everything, then, shouldn't they?You’re kidding right?
Vanderbilt’s endowment is $7 billion. The rest of the SEC East is a combined $8.3 billion.
No. That’s not how it works. In football and basketball it doesn’t give them any competitive advantage. It’s only in baseball of the three major sports.So, they ought to be National Championship contenders in everything, then, shouldn't they?
Bingo!So, they ought to be National Championship contenders in everything, then, shouldn't they?
Well, if they could legally increase the number of scholarship athletes who can contribute, why wouldn't it be an advantage? But let's get specific. How much are they actually paying for this baseball advantage? Don't say it can't be done if you don't know the actual cost?No. That’s not how it works. In football and basketball it doesn’t give them any competitive advantage. It’s only in baseball of the three major sports.
The roster sizes are so much larger in football that doesn’t really matter if Vanderbilt can offer the 86th player on their roster a full scholarship.Well, if they could legally increase the number of scholarship athletes who can contribute, why wouldn't it be an advantage? But let's get specific. How much are they actually paying for this baseball advantage? Don't say it can't be done if you don't know the actual cost?
@king ward I get what you're saying. The thing is that they don't have to use it for football and basketball because they are not unfairly penalized with regard to scholarship limits by the NCAA like baseball is.Well, if they could legally increase the number of scholarship athletes who can contribute, why wouldn't it be an advantage? But let's get specific. How much are they actually paying for this baseball advantage? Don't say it can't be done if you don't know the actual cost?
Schools are in a huge scholarship crunch in football because of the extra year granted. This is a big time advantage to Vandy, right?The roster sizes are so much larger in football that doesn’t really matter if Vanderbilt can offer the 86th player on their roster a full scholarship.
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
No because the NCAA is allowing every school to offer additional scholarships over the limit for those players.Schools are in a huge scholarship crunch in football because of the extra year granted. This is a big time advantage to Vandy, right?
Only if the school can afford to fund the extra scholarships.No because the NCAA is allowing every school to offer additional scholarships over the limit for those players.
That isn’t a legitimate concern for any SEC school.Only if the school can afford to fund the extra scholarships.
If we can find a way to pay a guy $13 million not to coach, we ought to be able to fund a few scholarships for smart baseball playersOnly if the school can afford to fund the extra scholarships.
That isn’t how this works.If we can find a way to pay a guy $13 million not to coach, we ought to be able to fund a few scholarships for smart baseball players
If we had an endowment strictly for baseball we could. Unfortunately we do not.If we can find a way to pay a guy $13 million not to coach, we ought to be able to fund a few scholarships for smart baseball players
Doesn't answer why they couldn't buy a competitive advantage in every sport they field.That isn’t how this works.
Vanderbilt has to offer this scholarship to all 12,000 of its undergraduate students. That gets expensive very quickly.
We would have to offer the scholarship to all 27,000 undergraduate students we have with 11% of the endowment they possess.
Someone would have to give USC the money in an endowment, and specify that it is just for athletics, or baseball alone. Until that happens, there isn't much we can do. If we were to start doing so, we open ourselves up to scrutiny and possible violations of Title IX resulting in discrimination lawsuits.Doesn't answer why they couldn't buy a competitive advantage in every sport they field.