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[DeeDave]

EVs are more efficient "idling" in traffic than combustion engines. So like most of your posts, this hypothetical is just nonsense.

As long as your car is fully charged before the hurricane, you will be fine getting to safety.

My wife and I always rent an EV when we are in California. It's almost never charged more than about 60%.

I've always been amazed at how long I can go without having to recharge it. Sitting in traffic is not really meaningful in terms of the using the battery.

We often drive a route near the beach, up to Beverly Hills, back down through LA and back down toward Anaheim where we typically stay without having to recharge at all- and we have plenty to spare after a full day. That includes sitting in LA traffic.

There will be a need for gas cars for some time to come but they will eventually be the option that most people aren't interested in.

Thats the way things go.

 

[Ward Jr]

Extended range EVs are right around the corner and will be standard fare in the next 5-6 years. Solid state batteries will increase range by hundreds of miles. These are in development now.

BMW is working on and is pushing smart ev battery technology that is way far advanced than anything in a current car. They will not only double EV range (or more) but also make it much safer.

Wireless charging is also promising and will likely eventually solve most of these issues.

There are also other alternatives under development that would allow a consumer to have a meaningful battery charger in a small backpack that would give them hundreds of miles of range should they want to purchase one. (These are available now in smaller configurations).

Dave - You're stuck in 2012 and are reading propaganda fluff pieces for EVs based on the previous administration's policies.

EVs are not good for the environment or human health because of those batteries.

You don't want to be sitting on a battery that is constantly emitting EMFs.

EVs also remain inconvenient overall.

Not to mention, if Joe and Gavin are going to be blowing up pipelines and starting fires - what's the point of virtue signaling with EVs?

Trump told Detroit we're drilling.

That message was well-received and the industry will adapt.

 

[bucketdad]

EVs are more efficient "idling" in traffic than combustion engines. So like most of your posts, this hypothetical is just nonsense.

As long as your car is fully charged before the hurricane, you will be fine getting to safety.

Very easy to say when you dont have to deal with such issues. Yeah let me take advise from someone that has probably never had to deal with evacuations but as usual thinks he has all the answers.

 

[uscwatson21]

Very easy to say when you dont have to deal with such issues. Yeah let me take advise from someone that has probably never had to deal with evacuations but as usual thinks he has all the answers.

Yeah, I'm actually a reverse commuter when it comes to natural disasters so while you're evacuating I go in to help get people out and coordinate the safety of those who stay.

 

[cocks rule]

I have mentioned this in the past, as someone blocks off the Atlantic ocean I am almost always one of the first subject to evacuations when they are announced. It would be foolish and irresponsible of me to when the orders are given for a mandatory evacuation, to hop in an full blown EV and along with hundreds of thousands of other people moving at a snails pace and expect to get out of the way of a hurricane. Not to mention if Biden's govt had it's way, having thousands of EVs looking for a charging station in the same general area at the same time not very far from your starting point because you have barely moving for hours. Blows the mind how issues like this matters very little to the greenies as long as they get their way.

Zero considerations for anything. This was rolled out for one purpose and one purpose only. To steal taxpayer dollars just like DEI and all the other ridiculous BS, it’s all pure theft. It will all be eliminated in less than two years

 

[uscwatson21]

The markets were having a great day then Backtrack had to open his mouth.

 

[bucketdad]

Yeah, I'm actually a reverse commuter when it comes to natural disasters so while you're evacuating I go in to help get people out and coordinate the safety of those who stay.

So you clearly know nothing about what it's like living on the coast and only pretend you do. Got it. I'll file your opinion on how to evacuate your family prior to a hurricane under no one gives a crap.

 

[ElectricalCock89]

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Yeah! I give two shits about what some 20 year old thinks. Nice try rock sack

 

[ElectricalCock89]

EVs are more efficient "idling" in traffic than combustion engines. So like most of your posts, this hypothetical is just nonsense.

As long as your car is fully charged before the hurricane, you will be fine getting to safety.

You have the most freaking excuses that I’ve ever seen.

 

[ElectricalCock89]

I bet this guy owns an electric lawnmower/weedeater lmfao

 

[uscwatson21]

So you clearly know nothing about what it's like living on the coast and only pretend you do. Got it. I'll file your opinion on how to evacuate your family prior to a hurricane under no one gives a crap.

I fear for your family's safety in all honesty.

 

[uscwatson21]

I bet this guy owns an electric lawnmower/weedeater lmfao

It's wild you guys want to make your lives worse off just to "own the libs"

 

[DeeDave]

Very easy to say when you dont have to deal with such issues. Yeah let me take advise from someone that has probably never had to deal with evacuations but as usual thinks he has all the answers.

Plenty of people with EVs deal with these issues, including in Florida. They are simply something someone must plan for in emergencies, like they have to with a gas vehicle. It's nowhere near a deal breaker at all.

1) Consider leaving a day or even 1/2 day before a natural disaster emergency is formally declared. This ensures numerous charging options. (This is also good advice for gas vehicle owners). Most states actually advise this anyway: to leave right before any mandatory evacuation. This almost guarantees you will not face gridlock or major traffic issues.

2) In almost all situations, a drive of 100 miles will get anyone out of danger and into a much safer area, even in Florida. A charged EV can easily handle this range- even if stuck on the interstate for hours.

3) Consider your portable battery options for emergencies. If I live right along the coast and only have an EV, I'm spending money on one of these chargers for the extremely rare occasion of an emergency last second evacuation and the remote possibility I might need an extra 50-75 mile range.

4) If someone decides to stay, having an electric vehicle could prove useful in having the ability to charge phones and other devices, and possibly use it to run certain home appliances for a period of time with the proper equipment.

5) You don't have to worry about gas stations running out of gas- or gas stations having 30-50-80 cars in line for a few pumps.

 

[Lurker123]

You have the most freaking excuses that I’ve ever seen.

Easy to have the next excuse lined up when he doesn't believe even half of what he spouts anyway.

 

[DeeDave]

I personally don’t care for EV’s as it increases your light bill drastically and puts a major strain on the power grid. I don’t mind the hybrids, but all electric is ridiculous.

Have you ever driven an EV?

Nationwide, the average cost of electricity is $0.12 per kWh. (South Carolina's is .11 per kWh- so less than the national average)

At the national rate, someone who drives their EV 15,000 miles in a year will pay approximately $540 per year, or $45 per month.

Someone driving a gas-powered car over the same yearly distance will pay approximately $1,400-$1,500 in fuel costs.

 

[Neanderthal]

I hope the engineers are working on improving battery operated chain saws. Haven’t found one yet worth a damn. Gave one away.

 

[uscwatson21]

I hope the engineers are working on improving battery operated chain saws. Haven’t found one yet worth a damn. Gave one away.

This is probably one of the few tools that is still better with gas.

 

[cocks rule]

Have you ever driven an EV?

Nationwide, the average cost of electricity is $0.12 per kWh. (South Carolina's is .11 per kWh- so less than the national average)

At the national rate, someone who drives their EV 15,000 miles in a year will pay approximately $540 per year, or $45 per month.

Someone driving a gas-powered car over the same yearly distance will pay approximately $1,400-$1,500 in fuel costs.

You forgot the biggest expense. Vehicle cost. Depreciation, insurance, taxes and your car burning your home to the ground. There’s ZERO upside to a all electric vehicle. PERIOD

You wanna do the REAL numbers. Lets go.

2009 4runner. 8 years ago. 9,000.00
Insurance per year 527.00
Taxes. 47.00
Depreciation. I’ve turned down 12,000
So It’s Appreciated, the opposite of your EV

Try to look at the big picture. you’re the kind of person that walks in a dealership and says how much is my monthly payment. God love you. Lol

 

[Ward Jr]

You forgot the biggest expense. Vehicle cost. Depreciation, insurance, taxes and your car burning your home to the ground. There’s ZERO upside to a all electric vehicle. PERIOD

"The EV market might hold serve even through Trump's policies..."

This entire discussion serves as a proxy for just how low the pseudo-liberal psyche has fallen.

 

[cocks rule]

"The EV market might hold serve even through Trump's policies..."

This entire discussion serves as a proxy for just how low the pseudo-liberal psyche has fallen.

Hell time shares still exist so as long as morons walk the earth your right.

 

[ElectricalCock89]

It's wild you guys want to make your lives worse off just to "own the libs"

I bet you’d fly to Epstein island if you could

 

[bucketdad]

Plenty of people with EVs deal with these issues, including in Florida. They are simply something someone must plan for in emergencies, like they have to with a gas vehicle. It's nowhere near a deal breaker at all.

1) Consider leaving a day or even 1/2 day before a natural disaster emergency is formally declared. This ensures numerous charging options. (This is also good advice for gas vehicle owners). Most states actually advise this anyway: to leave right before any mandatory evacuation. This almost guarantees you will not face gridlock or major traffic issues.

2) In almost all situations, a drive of 100 miles will get anyone out of danger and into a much safer area, even in Florida. A charged EV can easily handle this range- even if stuck on the interstate for hours.

3) Consider your portable battery options for emergencies. If I live right along the coast and only have an EV, I'm spending money on one of these chargers for the extremely rare occasion of an emergency last second evacuation and the remote possibility I might need an extra 50-75 mile range.

4) If someone decides to stay, having an electric vehicle could prove useful in having the ability to charge phones and other devices, and possibly use it to run certain home appliances for a period of time with the proper equipment.

5) You don't have to worry about gas stations running out of gas- or gas stations having 30-50-80 cars in line for a few pumps.

Not everyone can close up shop a day before a word to evacuate is given. Some of us would be leaving more than a home. BTW this would not be my first rodeo. And after going through two a season in some cases and many more over a couple of decades you tend to wait and see what the storm looks like it's going to do before just packing up and leaving. As I said this not being my first rodeo, my home is fully equipped to run on my own generated power for however long I am without power... and that includes running two AC units if I so choose. The good news for me is none of it is dependent on batteries. The exception being the batteries in the golf cart I use to scooter poot around the neighborhood. I guess if I wanted to charge a phone using a vehicle, I could use that. Oh wait, my gas powered vehicles will also charge a phone... nevermind.

 

[ElectricalCock89]

https://laist.com/news/housing-home...cia-adams-kellum-contracts-upward-bound-house

Oof! Little siphoning going on..

 

[Lurker123]

Not everyone can close up shop a day before a word to evacuate is given. Some of us would be leaving more than a home. BTW this would not be my first rodeo. And after going through two a season in some cases and many more over a couple of decades you tend to wait and see what the storm looks like it's going to do before just packing up and leaving. As I said this not being my first rodeo, my home is fully equipped to run on my own generated power for however long I am without power... and that includes running two AC units if I so choose. The good news for me is none of it is dependent on batteries. The exception being the batteries in the golf cart I use to scooter poot around the neighborhood. I guess if I wanted to charge a phone using a vehicle, I could use that. Oh wait, my gas powered vehicles will also charge a phone... nevermind.

I think it's funny that you consider your first hand knowledge to be equal to his made up lies.

Didn't he tell you how smart he was?

 

[bucketdad]

I think it's funny that you consider your first hand knowledge to be equal to his made up lies.

Didn't he tell you how smart he was?

I try not to comment much on things I have no experience with. Of course you're gonna have those that like to comment on everything I suppose. But if I do have experience on an issue, I do tend to give an opinion. Give me experience over book learn'n every single time. Funny thing about this subject is imo experience will certainly change the way you look at it. I clearly dont look at this the same as I once did just a decade ago. This is based on what I have learned by my dang self... yeah first hand. That said, even the govt has changed the way they handle this issue based on experience. Unfortunately they must screw up before getting better much of the time. To their credit, how they once handled evacuations has been tossed in favor of a more cooler headed, take a deep breath, use common sense kind of approach... at least I like to think so. They dont call it 'live and learn' for nothing.

 

[cocks rule]

Plenty of people with EVs deal with these issues, including in Florida. They are simply something someone must plan for in emergencies, like they have to with a gas vehicle. It's nowhere near a deal breaker at all.

1) Consider leaving a day or even 1/2 day before a natural disaster emergency is formally declared. This ensures numerous charging options. (This is also good advice for gas vehicle owners). Most states actually advise this anyway: to leave right before any mandatory evacuation. This almost guarantees you will not face gridlock or major traffic issues.

2) In almost all situations, a drive of 100 miles will get anyone out of danger and into a much safer area, even in Florida. A charged EV can easily handle this range- even if stuck on the interstate for hours.

3) Consider your portable battery options for emergencies. If I live right along the coast and only have an EV, I'm spending money on one of these chargers for the extremely rare occasion of an emergency last second evacuation and the remote possibility I might need an extra 50-75 mile range.

4) If someone decides to stay, having an electric vehicle could prove useful in having the ability to charge phones and other devices, and possibly use it to run certain home appliances for a period of time with the proper equipment.

5) You don't have to worry about gas stations running out of gas- or gas stations having 30-50-80 cars in line for a few pumps.

The BEST thing about ev’s is how they preform in floods and hurricanes. The light they put out after exploding into flames is extremely helpful during the dark nights

 

[cocks rule]

https://laist.com/news/housing-home...cia-adams-kellum-contracts-upward-bound-house

Oof! Little siphoning going on..

Tons and tons of these thieving liberals will be caught during the Musk forensic audits. She’s gonna be someone’s little luv muffin in the clink. Lmao

 

[bucketdad]

The BEST thing about ev’s is how they preform in floods and hurricanes. The light they put out after exploding into flames is extremely helpful during the dark nights

So if you're on the coast, you don't want to leave one home either. lol

 

[cocks rule]

So if you're on the coast, you don't want to leave one home either. lol

If you’re stuck with one definitely leave it but leave it at beach parking not your home unless you’re ready to dump it as well lol

 

[uscwatson21]

I think it's funny that you consider your first hand knowledge to be equal to his made up lies.

Didn't he tell you how smart he was?

The classic, "the guy whose house burned down knows more about preventing house fires than the guy whose house has never had a fire" argument.

 

[FORKCOCK]

EVs are more efficient "idling" in traffic than combustion engines. So like most of your posts, this hypothetical is just nonsense.

As long as your car is fully charged before the hurricane, you will be fine getting to safety.

Sitting in traffic in an EV, running your A/C, will not work. I've sold EV's (Forklifts) for years. I'm fairly well versed in lead acid, Li Ion, and pure lead batteries. I know what causes higher amp draw or kWh throughput. Our country is nowhere close to being ready for EV's to be used as our main source of transportation.

 

[cocks rule]

Sitting in traffic in an EV, running your A/C, will not work. I've sold EV's (Forklifts) for years. I'm fairly well versed in lead acid, Li Ion, and pure lead batteries. I know what causes higher amp draw or kWh throughput. Our country is nowhere close to being ready for EV's to be used as our main source of transportation.

Hydrogen has already replaced ev’s at Toyota. Ev’s are yesterday’s tech, page turned. It’s nuclear and hydrogen going forward.

 

[uscwatson21]

uhhh

 

[DeeDave]

You forgot the biggest expense. Vehicle cost. Depreciation, insurance, taxes and your car burning your home to the ground. There’s ZERO upside to a all electric vehicle. PERIOD

You wanna do the REAL numbers. Lets go.

2009 4runner. 8 years ago. 9,000.00
Insurance per year 527.00
Taxes. 47.00
Depreciation. I’ve turned down 12,000
So It’s Appreciated, the opposite of your EV

Try to look at the big picture. you’re the kind of person that walks in a dealership and says how much is my monthly payment. God love you. Lol

Discussions like this are going to be laughed at by 20 somethings in 10 years. It's like the old scene from The Rifleman where Mark tells "Pa" that machines are going to soon take over most of the work of horses. Chuck Connors looks at him and tells his son "What is this nonsense you are talking about with machines taking over for horses." Mark then admits, "I guess you are right Pa, that is a crazy thought."

Mark was right.

An individual must be able to discuss such issues not based on Feb 2025, but Feb 2026, October 2028 and how the market will mature as time passes. After all, we are talking about how things are changing, not how they are today and only this week.

I've addressed vehicle costs in about 5-6 posts already and the fact that EV costs are coming down, and that manufacturers are now increasing their focus on developing lower priced EVs. As more and more manufacturers make more and more EVs, the costs will also come down.

your 2009 Forerunner will be valuable to someone, at least for a while. But at some point, it won't be that valuable. My dad loves his 1989 Isuzu even though he doesn't drive it much. It will always be worth something to him and some people. But that's not representative of the overall car market.

As more manufacturers start phasing out some of their gas models, the prices of gas models will increase in comparison and EV prices will continue to level off.

I'm not going to go through the history of economics here but it's nonsensical to compare the emerging EV dominance with a 2009 Forerunner or what someone personally offered you. That makes no sense and it's not worth a discussion for intelligent, fair-minded people.

Insurance costs, etc- all will adjust accordingly as the market develops and more and more auto shops routinely work on EV vehicles. The more shops that work on them as a matter of routine, the market will offer consumers choices and price competition, something that is not well developed yet.

EVs are poised to dominate the car market, with their market share projected to grow significantly

https://evmagazine.com/technology/top-10-2025-trends

 

[DeeDave]

Not everyone can close up shop a day before a word to evacuate is given. Some of us would be leaving more than a home. BTW this would not be my first rodeo. And after going through two a season in some cases and many more over a couple of decades you tend to wait and see what the storm looks like it's going to do before just packing up and leaving. As I said this not being my first rodeo, my home is fully equipped to run on my own generated power for however long I am without power... and that includes running two AC units if I so choose. The good news for me is none of it is dependent on batteries. The exception being the batteries in the golf cart I use to scooter poot around the neighborhood. I guess if I wanted to charge a phone using a vehicle, I could use that. Oh wait, my gas powered vehicles will also charge a phone... nevermind.

Not solution fits every human being 100%.

If you have an EV in prone to "evacuations," common sense demands that if that is your only option, you plan for it. It doesn't require miracle working plans. It's just some common sense. Plenty of people with EVs do it without any issue or concern.

You presented the situation of having to evacuate with an EV. It's not a problem that's not easily solved with a tiny bit of pre-planning.

Gas powered vehicles won't allow you to hook them up to a house and run appliances- at least not without significant work arounds. It's why some EVs are promoted by giving owners the option of doing so in an emergency.

It's perfectly ok if you don't like them. It doesn't really matter a hill of beans. But to pretend they are a "no-go" because you live in an area prone to evacuations is 100% nonsense.

 

[DeeDave]

The BEST thing about ev’s is how they preform in floods and hurricanes. The light they put out after exploding into flames is extremely helpful during the dark nights

Most cars don't do well in floods and hurricanes.

EV batteries are safer than the battery in your own car.

There were 1530 fires per 100,000 ICE vehicles compared to 25 out of 100,000 fully electric vehicles in the same timeframe.

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[DeeDave]

Sitting in traffic in an EV, running your A/C, will not work. I've sold EV's (Forklifts) for years. I'm fairly well versed in lead acid, Li Ion, and pure lead batteries. I know what causes higher amp draw or kWh throughput. Our country is nowhere close to being ready for EV's to be used as our main source of transportation.

That's a bit like comparing apples and bread.

It's negligible in an EV.

For a vehicle with a range of 300 miles, with the average commune for Americans being less than 50 miles, this is not a problem for almost all people.

As solid state batteries continue to develop and become more prevalent, the EV range will close to double.

According to data from industry aggregator Recurrent, you can go ahead and run the air conditioning in your EV during the summer. Until outside temperatures hit over 90 degrees Fahrenheit, the AC has a negligible effect on an electric car’s range. On average, they found that:

• Range loss at 80 degrees across multiple models was about 2.8%
• Range loss at 90 degrees was about 5%

 

[DeeDave]

Hydrogen has already replaced ev’s at Toyota. Ev’s are yesterday’s tech, page turned. It’s nuclear and hydrogen going forward.

You make up so much stuff, it's like you focus on the nonsense.

I have a customer that manufactures tanks for hydrogen vehicles. Sadly, even they say this will not work as a replacement for EVs. But they do have their niche markets (local delivery trucks, etc).

 

[DeeDave]

I bet you’d fly to Epstein island if you could

Have you ever driven an EV? If so, when and where? What was it? I asked above and you never answered.

 

[Ward Jr]

Love it. Zelensky is lost now that there aren't children in DC anymore.

I do feel for the Ukraine people though.

Obama and Biden lured them their country into a corrupt war and they are now backed into a corner as a result.

This is exact what all of the experts like Sachs from Columbia U. have been saying since Obama and Biden stared this madness.

The final video at the bottom is just unprecedented raw emotion on display. Full transparency.