Then why was our defense so bad the last couple of years? They were all players he recruited at that point.
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Then why was our defense so bad the last couple of years? They were all players he recruited at that point.
Again with the TE coach reference. Name 1, just 1 head coach that has coached RBs, DBs, LBs, WRs, HBs, TEs and STs.....
Ahhhhh....logic. Wow...it's almost surprising when you see that on this board anymore.
Yes...nobody has or would have considered SB for HC.
A more depressing fact is...no other SEC University outside of Vandy would have even considered him for a coordinator position despite some lies that will be told on this board.....and we hired him as HC. But, as the cancel culture people have invaded this site, they will attempt to re-direct this simple fact in some other direction.
The cancel culture people will go on and on about how liked he is; as if being an OC (in charge of one side of the ball on most teams' setups) and having a LOT of sway and final pick on which players get taken/recruited on his side of the ball was beneath him. It is totally logical to expect that step to be taken, and measure proven before getting the reigns to a big football job.
And yet you think this is a good thing. You obviously don't understand how the coaching profession works. It is a fraternity of sorts. No one is gotten rid of, they just move them around. When one coach constantly moves from one position coaching spot to another, and never has any upward promotion that tells you all you need to know. They take care of each other and find places for them to work. When a coach particularly distinguishes himself in an area, he gets an upward promotion to coordinator. If he does well there he is then considered for available HC jobs. If not he is moved to another position - basically lateral moves.
Unless of course that same position coach is preparing to be a HC and wants to coach as many positions as possible. Shane has also been Asst. HC at VT and OU. Before you dismiss that as title only, ask L. Riley about Beamers ability.
Just stop with the incessant BS and negativity. It’s very old.
You have to dismiss the Asst HC title, because that is all it is. It is not a position. It is conferred in order to give the coach a title that will allow a larger salary under the University pay scale. Can you name any HC duties that are assigned to the Asst HC that makes it anything other than just a title? If he wanted to prepare to be a HC then he would have sought a coordinator position. Coordinators have alot of latitude in personnel, the schemes run, and the game time play calling and strategy. Position coaches do not. Moving from position to position does not prepare you to assume HC duties or putting together a staff and coordinating the various position coaches within the system.
I don't think Terry was the issue at Akron. They had a losing record from 2005-2015 when to got their first bowl win. Don't just judge a man by the record to google.
You don't know that. You're just making up something and trying to pass it as fact.
Both have achieved success. Both are coming from working under the most successful coaches on their respected level (Jones-Saban, Bielema-Belichick). Both went to programs that don't have the added pressure of winning immediately which gives them time to build their programs. Beamer only has 3 years before the heat is on him. We can all say how we love him and what he is doing today. But if he misses the next 3 bowl games the fire will burn out of control.
Its called "common knowledge". Perhaps you are lacking in that? ff I've been around a long time and played with a lot of guys who are coaches now. Also had good coaches who went on to be very successful. Can you prove he had HC duties like putting the staff together, coordinating game plans etc. while being an Asst HC? If not, then it is you who is speculating.
So you don’t think being assistant HC commands respect? Being at the right hand of the HC is valueless? 2nd in command means nothing? Are you sure?
That might be true in some cases. But I'm not sure about OU.
Found a link. Looks like everyone on the offensive side except the RB coach had an additional title.
2024 Football Coaches - University of Oklahoma
The official Football Coach List for the University of Oklahoma
Its worth a pay raise to the individual who gets it which is the purpose for the title. What the hell does commanding respect have to do with being prepared to be a HC? A police officer commands respect. Does that make him a HC? Also, Asst HC does not necessarily mean 2nd in command. Some teams have more than one Asst Head Coach. So which one is 2nd in command? It only matters if there is HC experience gained from it. What HC duties were performed by the coach as the Asst HC? Usually none of importance.
Everyone who is successful failed at some point. Jump off the high horse and come back to earth.
Bielema was 29-34 far from being miserable. 97-58 for his career
Butch Jones 34-27, 84-54 overall.
Sure. But only one AHC.That might be true in some cases. But I'm not sure about OU.
Found a link. Looks like everyone on the offensive side except the RB coach had an additional title.
2024 Football Coaches - University of Oklahoma
The official Football Coach List for the University of Oklahomasoonersports.com
All we do know is that over his 20+ year career as an assistant, the only two other schools to consider him for HC (ODU and ECU, neither of which are powerhouse programs) didn't hire him.
Is that not supposed to be taken into consideration?
Well, one assistant head coach, and one associate head coach. Throw in a couple co offensive coordinators. And really, it looks like everyone got a title.
True. But he wasn't interviewed by any other schools in the SEC and wasn't hired by the two smaller schools that interviewed him, so it stands to reason.
Look, I'll give the guy the chance he deserves. But t was a risky hire. Maybe Caslen really has a nose for these things. His football hire at Army certainly worked out.
Ok....I give this another go. Your comments below is not "all we do know". You simply are trying to marginalize something that is in fact a pile of unknowns.
At best, all we know is that we don't know anything. We'll know something come mid- Sept.
No, we do know that these two are the only other schools that have had his named linked to their coaching search. They hired other coaches. We are the only school that has given him a job as HC. Those are facts.
If you have any additional facts that either refute or at least add to them, please feel free to share them.
Which means nothing.
If you have any additional facts that either refute or at least add to them, please feel free to share them.
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So we’re shooting for just over.500 now as the standard? We could have just kept Muschamp...
Nobody knows for sure how Beamer will do. I was not one advocating for his hire. Those who did, played up his recruiting abilities, based on his previous time here. Sure enough one site or source gave him a grade of "A" for how well he recruited after his hire here, as high or higher than any other coach hired during the off-season. Sarkasian at Texas initially was given an "A+", only to later have it downgraded to an "A". So, at least, the initial results are promising from a recruiting standpoint. I believe the question we all have is whether Shane can "coach", supervise and manage a staff of coaches. If he can coach as well as his Dad, we will have struck oil and gold. Frank was never a really a great recruiter. He was a good recruiter but, nothing overall special. His forte was in the "coaching" part of the job description. In his prime, Frank never had a top 10 recruiting class. But, he had 7 Top 10 teams during his time at Virginia Tech. In his prime, his recruiting classes usually finished outside the Top 25 but his teams usually finished in the Top 20, except in his later years at VT.
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Totally. I would have never picked him based upon general info, but his actions since being hired have been solid.
No one knows what's going to happen until Beamer coaches a few games. The pumpers and chicken littles are just guessing like everyone else.
You're not planting seeds, you're poisoning the fields to prove it won't grow. And I would've joined as soon as cockytalk went away if the conversation was anything other than toxic and vitriolic.
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