For example: will Muschamp was a very well regarded dc so as a head coach that side of the ball excelled
Then why was our defense so bad the last couple of years? They were all players he recruited at that point.
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For example: will Muschamp was a very well regarded dc so as a head coach that side of the ball excelled
Again with the TE coach reference. Name 1, just 1 head coach that has coached RBs, DBs, LBs, WRs, HBs, TEs and STs.....Are you saying then there is a reason to think that a great TE coach has as great a shot as being a good HC as a DC or OC? Any evidence of this? Or are you simply speculating?
Again with the TE coach reference. Name 1, just 1 head coach that has coached RBs, DBs, LBs, WRs, HBs, TEs and STs.....
Ahhhhh....logic. Wow...it's almost surprising when you see that on this board anymore.Figure CBS got this about right. In fact may have been a bit generous in their grade. I know it offends the sunshine pumpers, but tell me one other school in the SEC that would have seriously considered Beamer? And lots of Power 5 schools out there that apparently weren't impressed enough with his 20 year experience to seriously consider him either.
And yet you think this is a good thing. You obviously don't understand how the coaching profession works. It is a fraternity of sorts. No one is gotten rid of, they just move them around. When one coach constantly moves from one position coaching spot to another, and never has any upward promotion that tells you all you need to know. They take care of each other and find places for them to work. When a coach particularly distinguishes himself in an area, he gets an upward promotion to coordinator. If he does well there he is then considered for available HC jobs. If not he is moved to another position - basically lateral moves.Again with the TE coach reference. Name 1, just 1 head coach that has coached RBs, DBs, LBs, WRs, HBs, TEs and STs.....
Unless of course that same position coach is preparing to be a HC and wants to coach as many positions as possible. Shane has also been Asst. HC at VT and OU. Before you dismiss that as title only, ask L. Riley about Beamers ability.And yet you think this is a good thing. You obviously don't understand how the coaching profession works. It is a fraternity of sorts. No one is gotten rid of, they just move them around. When one coach constantly moves from one position coaching spot to another, and never has any upward promotion that tells you all you need to know. They take care of each other and find places for them to work. When a coach particularly distinguishes himself in an area, he gets an upward promotion to coordinator. If he does well there he is then considered for available HC jobs. If not he is moved to another position - basically lateral moves.
Just stop with the incessant BS and negativity. It’s very old.Ahhhhh....logic. Wow...it's almost surprising when you see that on this board anymore.
Yes...nobody has or would have considered SB for HC.
A more depressing fact is...no other SEC University outside of Vandy would have even considered him for a coordinator position despite some lies that will be told on this board.....and we hired him as HC. But, as the cancel culture people have invaded this site, they will attempt to re-direct this simple fact in some other direction.
The cancel culture people will go on and on about how liked he is; as if being an OC (in charge of one side of the ball on most teams' setups) and having a LOT of sway and final pick on which players get taken/recruited on his side of the ball was beneath him. It is totally logical to expect that step to be taken, and measure proven before getting the reigns to a big football job.
You have to dismiss the Asst HC title, because that is all it is. It is not a position. It is conferred in order to give the coach a title that will allow a larger salary under the University pay scale. Can you name any HC duties that are assigned to the Asst HC that makes it anything other than just a title? If he wanted to prepare to be a HC then he would have sought a coordinator position. Coordinators have alot of latitude in personnel, the schemes run, and the game time play calling and strategy. Position coaches do not. Moving from position to position does not prepare you to assume HC duties or putting together a staff and coordinating the various position coaches within the system.Unless of course that same position coach is preparing to be a HC and wants to coach as many positions as possible. Shane has also been Asst. HC at VT and OU. Before you dismiss that as title only, ask L. Riley about Beamers ability.
I don't think Terry was the issue at Akron. They had a losing record from 2005-2015 when to got their first bowl win. Don't just judge a man by the record to google.Just goes to show how silly conventional wisdom is. Terry Bowden is considered a better hire just b/c he's done it before, even though he was absolutely awful in his most recent stint at Akron.
Shane pulls up the rear for the lone reason that he doesn't have coordinator experience.
I don't believe Dodd said the higher is terrible. Where did you read that.Right. You can basically sum up their analysis by saying: "We don't know if Shane is going to be a good head coach, so this is a terrible hire."
You don't know that. You're just making up something and trying to pass it as fact.Yes...nobody has or would have considered SB for HC.
Both have achieved success. Both are coming from working under the most successful coaches on their respected level (Jones-Saban, Bielema-Belichick). Both went to programs that don't have the added pressure of winning immediately which gives them time to build their programs. Beamer only has 3 years before the heat is on him. We can all say how we love him and what he is doing today. But if he misses the next 3 bowl games the fire will burn out of control.Any publication that considers Bielema an A and Butch Jones a B is very suspect
Do you have proof of that or is this more negative speculation?You have to dismiss the Asst HC title, because that is all it is. It is not a position. It is conferred in order to give the coach a title that will allow a larger salary under the University pay scale. Can you name any HC duties that are assigned to the Asst HC that makes it anything other than just a title? If he wanted to prepare to be a HC then he would have sought a coordinator position. Coordinators have alot of latitude in personnel, the schemes run, and the game time play calling and strategy. Position coaches do not. Moving from position to position does not prepare you to assume HC duties or putting together a staff and coordinating the various position coaches within the system.
Both failed miserably at their last school.Both have achieved success. Both are coming from working under the most successful coaches on their respected level (Jones-Saban, Bielema-Belichick). Both went to programs that don't have the added pressure of winning immediately which gives them time to build their programs. Beamer only has 3 years before the heat is on him. We can all say how we love him and what he is doing today. But if he misses the next 3 bowl games the fire will burn out of control.
Its called "common knowledge". Perhaps you are lacking in that? ff I've been around a long time and played with a lot of guys who are coaches now. Also had good coaches who went on to be very successful. Can you prove he had HC duties like putting the staff together, coordinating game plans etc. while being an Asst HC? If not, then it is you who is speculating.Do you have proof of that or is this more negative speculation?
So you don’t think being assistant HC commands respect? Being at the right hand of the HC is valueless? 2nd in command means nothing? Are you sure?You have to dismiss the Asst HC title, because that is all it is. It is not a position. It is conferred in order to give the coach a title that will allow a larger salary under the University pay scale. Can you name any HC duties that are assigned to the Asst HC that makes it anything other than just a title? If he wanted to prepare to be a HC then he would have sought a coordinator position. Coordinators have alot of latitude in personnel, the schemes run, and the game time play calling and strategy. Position coaches do not. Moving from position to position does not prepare you to assume HC duties or putting together a staff and coordinating the various position coaches within the system.
So you don’t think being assistant HC commands respect? Being at the right hand of the HC is valueless? 2nd in command means nothing? Are you sure?
Its worth a pay raise to the individual who gets it which is the purpose for the title. What the hell does commanding respect have to do with being prepared to be a HC? A police officer commands respect. Does that make him a HC? Also, Asst HC does not necessarily mean 2nd in command. Some teams have more than one Asst Head Coach. So which one is 2nd in command? It only matters if there is HC experience gained from it. What HC duties were performed by the coach as the Asst HC? Usually none of importance.So you don’t think being assistant HC commands respect? Being at the right hand of the HC is valueless? 2nd in command means nothing? Are you sure?
Everyone who is successful failed at some point. Jump off the high horse and come back to earth.Both failed miserably at their last school.
Sure. But only one AHC.That might be true in some cases. But I'm not sure about OU.
Found a link. Looks like everyone on the offensive side except the RB coach had an additional title.
2024 Football Coaches - University of Oklahoma
The official Football Coach List for the University of Oklahomasoonersports.com
Are you having a good time doing this?Its worth a pay raise to the individual who gets it which is the purpose for the title. What the hell does commanding respect have to do with being prepared to be a HC? A police officer commands respect. Does that make him a HC? Also, Asst HC does not necessarily mean 2nd in command. Some teams have more than one Asst Head Coach. So which one is 2nd in command? It only matters if there is HC experience gained from it. What HC duties were performed by the coach as the Asst HC? Usually none of importance.
All we do know is that over his 20+ year career as an assistant, the only two other schools to consider him for HC (ODU and ECU, neither of which are powerhouse programs) didn't hire him.You don't know that. You're just making up something and trying to pass it as fact.
Woah. Great point!All we do know is that over his 20+ year career as an assistant, the only two other schools to consider him for HC (ODU and ECU, neither of which are powerhouse programs) didn't hire him.
Is that not supposed to be taken into consideration?
Sure. But only one AHC.
Great point!Well, one assistant head coach, and one associate head coach. Throw in a couple co offensive coordinators. And really, it looks like everyone got a title.
Consideration for what?All we do know is that over his 20+ year career as an assistant, the only two other schools to consider him for HC (ODU and ECU, neither of which are powerhouse programs) didn't hire him.
Is that not supposed to be taken into consideration?
True. But he wasn't interviewed by any other schools in the SEC and wasn't hired by the two smaller schools that interviewed him, so it stands to reason.You don't know that. You're just making up something and trying to pass it as fact.
Ok....I give this another go. Your comments below is not "all we do know". You simply are trying to marginalize something that is in fact a pile of unknowns.For Head Coach.
All we do know is that over his 20+ year career as an assistant, the only two other schools to consider him for HC (ODU and ECU, neither of which are powerhouse programs) didn't hire him.
I thought Shane was Assistant TO the Head Coach?
Either way he's a great guy!
No, we do know that these two are the only other schools that have had his named linked to their coaching search. They hired other coaches. We are the only school that has given him a job as HC. Those are facts.Ok....I give this another go. Your comments below is not "all we do know". You simply are trying to marginalize something that is in fact a pile of unknowns.
At best, all we know is that we don't know anything. We'll know something come mid- Sept.
Which means nothing.No, we do know that these two are the only other schools that have had his named linked to their coaching search. They hired other coaches. We are the only school that has given him a job as HC. Those are facts.
If you have any additional facts that either refute or at least add to them, please feel free to share them.
So we’re shooting for just over.500 now as the standard? We could have just kept Muschamp...Everyone who is successful failed at some point. Jump off the high horse and come back to earth.
Bielema was 29-34 far from being miserable. 97-58 for his career
Butch Jones 34-27, 84-54 overall.
Lol. Ok.Which means nothing.
If you have any additional facts that either refute or at least add to them, please feel free to share them.
I’ll take your moneyI'd be tempted to put money on Beamer being the one guy of that group still standing in five years.
Totally. I would have never picked him based upon general info, but his actions since being hired have been solid.Nobody knows for sure how Beamer will do. I was not one advocating for his hire.
You're not planting seeds, you're poisoning the fields to prove it won't grow. And I would've joined as soon as cockytalk went away if the conversation was anything other than toxic and vitriolic.Dear member of the Gamecock forum from Dec. 2019 (ahem),
This article, which is no better or worse than any other sports journalist opinion, is closer to correct than you people who have joined up in the last 3-4 months to promote S. Beamer as the next D. Swinney.
From the Beamer camp (which you are obviously part of...literally) - it's a 'wait and see there may be magic in them thar hills' approach.
But, the rest of us farmers would rather plant the seeds that we know will grow, work hard and do our best. Maybe there is gold in the hills...but all you SB campers have zero proof or indication that this will happen. It's just fantasy land speculation. IF we hit the powerball with this hire....all true GAMECOCK fans will be elated. But, based on everything SB brings coming in .... as we sit today our program has similar odds of winning from that one ticket we just bought.