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You forget where he went to school. There may not be a more homogeneous school is this state...or this region.You're taking very few extreme incidents and interpreting that as the norm.
You're speaking in really broad terms.
Universities absolutely embrace debate. That's what happens when people are exposed to different ideas. Being outspoken and protesting is not something administrations will change.
You're taking very few extreme incidents and interpreting that as the norm.
You're speaking in really broad terms.
Universities absolutely embrace debate. That's what happens when people are exposed to different ideas. Being outspoken and protesting is not something administrations will change.
Daley was pretty much law and order. But fine, how about some of the Southern sheriff departments throughout the deep south...or someone a little more contemporary, Timothy McVeigh. Conservatives have had their share...just like the liberals did with SDS and still do.
I'm not speaking in broad terms, and universities do not embrace debate.
For example, I once took a humanities course in college, in which the purpose of the class was to debate the idea of a supernatural God. This was just a thought exercise (nothing nefarious). The main point was to challenge a student's deepest, most fundamental beliefs.
Well, that's fine, except I didn't see any classes challenging any core liberal values. I don't see any courses questioning the concept of diversity (specifically as its interpreted by the modern left). I don't see any course questioning the concept of social justice.
Now keep in mind, I'm not saying there should be courses trying to persuade people to abandon their beliefs in diversity or social justice or anything like that. I'm saying that universities don't even want to present challenges to those ideas, like they did with religion in my case. That's the issue.
Now to your point about being outspoken and protesting, you completely misunderstood me. I have no problem with students simply protesting a speaker's ideas. That fine. However, student are protesting in order to persuade the administration to prevent the speaker from speaking. That is completely different than simply being "outspoken."
I don't think anyone denies that, and that's not the issue. All sides go too far. The issue is, at any given time, the problem becomes acute for one particular side.
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I don't think discussing the value of social justice in a college classroom is that unusual.
And I can't recall any students protesting a conservative guest that didn't havr objectively extreme, antagonizing views like Richard Spencer or the Milo guy.
I just don't know what change can be made that will adequately promote conservative values.
They went 4-8 last year. Unfortunately, for Brandon they have a good QB. Shitty baseball team so maybe he can play that. He will need to see what mommy Lena Mcalwain thinks. Sorry, nice kid, but mommy has turned him into a _____. You can't beat out other players so you leave? Anyone who trys to say it's becsuse he was black and Bentley isn't a much better QB is living in Lena land.Cal definitely has a football team which has put many players in the NFL: Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch, Keenan Allen, Jared Goff, Desean Jackson, etc.
Daley was pretty much law and order. But fine, how about some of the Southern sheriff departments throughout the deep south...or someone a little more contemporary, Timothy McVeigh. Conservatives have had their share...just like the liberals did with SDS and still do.
The kool-aid is strong. Betting there is no tin foil left in stores around you.Yeah, Timothy McVeigh is the universal socket that all Liberals plug into. If you mention Muslim acts of terror, they say what about Timothy McVeigh? If you say Liberals, the same response. He was a nut and not someone lionized by conservatives. Daley wasn't law and order he was a Democratic machine politician who was up to his eyeballs in graft and corruption. Nixon wasn't a conservative either. He expanded the welfare state more than Kennedy and Johnson combined.
The real distinctions between right-wing and left-wing extremists is that right-wing extremists usually live out prison terms and are shunned, left wingers end up on Obama's steering committee or get professorships at Eastern universities.
The kool-aid is strong. Betting there is no tin foil left in stores around you.
You're the cliche. Right wing extremists are being heralded right now...and all these right wing websites like Breitbart are being quoted all over the place. You've won...you have the Presidency, the Senate and the House ...quit being a snowflake and complaining all the damn time.You're a walking cliche, if you want to dispute something do it with facts otherwise you just look like an uninformed juvenile. Better yet go educate yourself, go read up on Richard Daley's role in the 1960 presidential election. Back when the Washington Post was a real newspaper they sent an investigative reporter to Chicago in the aftermath of the 1960 election and Daley acknowledged his role in massive voter fraud.
You're the cliche. Right wing extremists are being heralded right now...and all these right wing websites like Breitbart are being quoted all over the place. You've won...you have the Presidency, the Senate and the House ...quit being a snowflake and complaining all the damn time.
They went 4-8 last year. Unfortunately, for Brandon they have a good QB. Shitty baseball team so maybe he can play that. He will need to see what mommy Lena Mcalwain thinks. Sorry, nice kid, but mommy has turned him into a _____. You can't beat out other players so you leave? Anyone who trys to say it's becsuse he was black and Bentley isn't a much better QB is living in Lena land.
What every college classroom I've ever been in (and I majored in History) the teaching is about the proper role of government. I'm not sure how one would teach "less government" as an approach. There certainly isn't a class on "more government". Study examples of where government can help and where government has gone wrong so that you don't make the same mistakes.How do you teach less government? Serious question. That sounds like indoctrination to me which is what I thought we wanted to avoid in college, no?
There are plenty of classes where "What is social justice?" is debated. And "What is diversity?" I know because I've taught them and I've been in them.You are again missing the point. There are college classes, an entire course, specifically dedicated to questioning the validity of religion, or the existence of a God. Again, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with these courses. I'm just saying you don't see a course questioning the validity of social justice, for example.
Well, there is your first problem. Who gets to classify what constitutes an "extreme" view? Should "extreme" views be silenced? Or, should the extreme views be discussed and debated, rather that simply be shut down?
Again, there is no need to promote conservative values. What I'm saying is, liberal students should have their beliefs challenged in the same way conservative students do. You just illustrated my point. You took it upon yourself to classify what was an extreme view. You used your own value judgement. The students who block someone from speaking are imposing their own value judgement on others. That's the antithesis of the free flow of ideas.
Good post. Education is important. I also think the non-stop Internet/media barrage into people's brains has them fearing demons and enemies where none exist. Okay, so you think differently than somebody else. So what? Oh that guy over there made a mistake. So what? It's been happening since mankind began. We live in one of the safest, most prosperous times in the history of the world, and people act like we're on our last dying breath. It's sad.What every college classroom I've ever been in (and I majored in History) the teaching is about the proper role of government. I'm not sure how one would teach "less government" as an approach. There certainly isn't a class on "more government". Study examples of where government can help and where government has gone wrong so that you don't make the same mistakes.
I was required to read Milton Friedman's Free to Choose in my Freshman Econ class, and guess, what, I disagreed, but I didn't cry about it. It wasn't balanced with anything by Keynes (who, for the un-economic-minded folks, proposed deficit spending as a way to stimulate the economy).
The problem today is that so many people think universities are ONLY hotbeds for liberals, when they don't really even have a clue. The anti-intellectual bent in America right now harkens straight back to Germany in 1933, except rather than intellectuals, the Germans blamed the Jews for all their country's problems.
Lack of education is the danger here, not liberals and not conservatives.
There are plenty of classes where "What is social justice?" is debated. And "What is diversity?" I know because I've taught them and I've been in them.
What inevitably happens when you take classes on ethics and human rights, and you start asking these questions (and answering them for yourself - there are no correct answers to these questions), you broaden your world view.
It's the way the world has been trending since the late 1600's when the Enlightenment first raised the question, "Can't we govern ourselves instead of being ruled by a monarch?" AND it's why we live in a country where we vote and transfer power peacefully from one leader to another.
Conservatism wants to make things more black and white - which is a much easier world to live in, although it doesn't always get things right. Liberalism seeks a much finer detail of shades - which causes anxiety and doesn't always get things right.
Never said anything about simple-minded conservatives. Plenty of simple-minded liberals out there, too. Just trying to explain in general terms the difference in world view.Tut, tut, yes those simple-minded conservatives unable to grasp those subtle nuances. By the way Milton Friedman didn't consider himself a conservative he considered himself a libertarian.
Never said anything about simple-minded conservatives. Plenty of simple-minded liberals out there, too. Just trying to explain in general terms the difference in world view.
My overly simplistic view is that liberals overlook the present looking into the future, and conservatives ignore the future to satisfy the present. As usual in this world, the answer is probably somewhere in between.Never said anything about simple-minded conservatives. Plenty of simple-minded liberals out there, too. Just trying to explain in general terms the difference in world view.
No if you had "common sense" you wouldn't be making the preposterous assertion that you're likely to find diversity of thought in a Berkeley classroom. You also wouldn't be parroting that: It's mostly about safety concerns that they won't allow conservatives to speak. That is pure bs.
Unfortunately it's not just California, most major Universities are staffed with liberals. The extent that some of these places have gone to extinguish free speech is appalling.
Which conservative speakers blow up police stations?
Right and we executed McVeigh remember?Remember Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh? Maybe not police stations, but conservative terrorists.
Guess you missed it on Facebook when his mother said we didn't play black QBs at South Carolina. Part of his moms rant along with USC experts stating he couldn't throw the long ball. She didn't feel he was given a fair shot against Bentley.Who has ever said it was because he was black? Why is this a thing with you?
There are many well educated people who are conservative.There's a good reason for that - the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to have liberal ideals.
Remember Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh? Maybe not police stations, but conservative terrorists.
Remember Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh? Maybe not police stations, but conservative terrorists.
Guess you missed it on Facebook when his mother said we didn't play black QBs at South Carolina. Part of his moms rant along with USC experts stating he couldn't throw the long ball. She didn't feel he was given a fair shot against Bentley.
Because they're more likely to have been exposed to liberal professors.There's a good reason for that - the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to have liberal ideals.
Because they're more likely to have been exposed to liberal professors.
Anyone who thinks you can't get a wide diversity of viewpoints by attending Berkeley is delusional. And students who are smart enough to get into Berkeley are smart enough to think for themselves. Berkeley is a great school by any objective measure. Berkeley people have won dozens of Nobel prizes, Fields Medals, Turing Awards, and have discovered several chemical elements (one of which is named for the school!). You probably wouldn't be posting on this message board without contributions to computer science made by the faculty and alumni of UCB.
My guess is that 80% of all colleges now teach that socialism and protest and not working is the way to go. Just ask Venezuela.
I think what he is saying is that 'critical thinking' means different things for different college/universities. It's painfully obvious that there are some colleges out there have a very narrow understanding of critical thinking. A good example of what's happening is what's happening on reddit. 90% of the posters you find there claim they are critical thinkers and think they are capable of rational arguments. Once you present an idea that is out of their understanding of the world, they immediately start being melodramatic and act like they are being assaulted with your thoughts. All of a sudden you are either a fascist, racist, or sexist. Which then moves to insults on you being ignorant, heartless, delusional, or clueless on the 'true' problems.Your guess would be wrong.
The goal of most colleges/universities is and should be to teach specialized skills and critical thinking. That means that depending on your major, you receive specialized instruction in that area. Critical thinking is the ability to consider a problem and position from all sides and draw your own conclusions based on those observations and the observations of others. It also gives you the ability to reject observations that don’t correspond to known facts.
In other word, folks who can critically think don’t simply take the word of the latest talking head on fox/msbnc. I never heard anything about not working after you graduate during my time at Clemson and I seriously doubt that the Moore School of Business teaches that kind of thing either.
What? You're free to say wherever you like. You can have any opinion you want and share with the 6 billion on this planet and guys will not come to your house from the ministry of truth with black bags. That means, however, that people have the same right to criticize your opinions. Free speech goes both ways.
And most professors couldn't give a damn about converting students to their point of view. They're in academia to follow their own research interests, not indoctrinate kids. If they can get them to do the reading and put for some effort that's a enough.