Finebaum and Beamer

[fowl_mood]

So earlier this week we hear Finebaum might think Beamer is a good fit for Virginia Tech.

Now, he's trashing us for our hiring process that ended up with Beamer.

While I agree football coach hiring at USC is less than a well oiled machine, I think PF uses scenarios to buttress often opposing points.

And takes us down a notch in doing so.

Paul Finebaum criticizes South Carolina's hiring process for Shane Beamer

Paul Finebaum is not too keen on Shane Beamer, and he believes that South Carolina's coaching search plan may have been upended.

www.on3.com

uscmustwin has returned to his 1998 moniker fowl_mood

 

[king ward]

He has a schtick and even people who hate him are making him rich. I love it myself.

 

[Mt Arayat]

He has a schtick and even people who hate him are making him rich. I love it myself.

You should 😁

 

[SOSUSC]

So earlier this week we hear Finebaum might think Beamer is a good fit for Virginia Tech.

Now, he's trashing us for our hiring process that ended up with Beamer.

While I agree football coach hiring at USC is less than a well oiled machine, I think PF uses scenarios to buttress often opposing points.

And takes us down a notch in doing so.

Paul Finebaum criticizes South Carolina's hiring process for Shane Beamer

Paul Finebaum is not too keen on Shane Beamer, and he believes that South Carolina's coaching search plan may have been upended.

www.on3.com

uscmustwin has returned to his 1998 moniker fowl_mood

PF is being forthright. But nothing new. We know the process is never right with Ray.

 

[king ward]

You should 😁

You're correct. I love it when people get so upset over things that are basically meaningless - at most superficial - as sports certainly are. It tickles me. Finebaum is playing the rubes and getting rich doing it. I consider him an American icon.

 

[bayrooster]

So earlier this week we hear Finebaum might think Beamer is a good fit for Virginia Tech.

Now, he's trashing us for our hiring process that ended up with Beamer.

While I agree football coach hiring at USC is less than a well oiled machine, I think PF uses scenarios to buttress often opposing points.

And takes us down a notch in doing so.

Paul Finebaum criticizes South Carolina's hiring process for Shane Beamer

Paul Finebaum is not too keen on Shane Beamer, and he believes that South Carolina's coaching search plan may have been upended.

www.on3.com

uscmustwin has returned to his 1998 moniker fowl_mood

Is this a sort of rebranding like when The Zuck decided to change "Facebook" to "Meta"?

 

[gamecock stock]

So earlier this week we hear Finebaum might think Beamer is a good fit for Virginia Tech.

Now, he's trashing us for our hiring process that ended up with Beamer.

While I agree football coach hiring at USC is less than a well oiled machine, I think PF uses scenarios to buttress often opposing points.

And takes us down a notch in doing so.

Paul Finebaum criticizes South Carolina's hiring process for Shane Beamer

Paul Finebaum is not too keen on Shane Beamer, and he believes that South Carolina's coaching search plan may have been upended.

www.on3.com

uscmustwin has returned to his 1998 moniker fowl_mood

And to make matters worse, Paul Finebaum has previously expressed fondness for Shane. So, I suspect that it pained him to say what he recently did. It seems to me that in recent years, we have used our football openings to be gimmicky. We hired 2 future Hall of Famers. We replaced the last one with a failed previous Head Coach who once was penciled in to take over the prominent Texas Longhorn program. Then we replaced him with the son of a football legend. Holtz and Spurrier did well, as both, (proven Head Coaches) produced nationally-ranked teams (Holtz 2 Top 20) and Spurrier (3 Top 10). But, both were past their prime when they got here. Muschamp was a certified failure as a Head Coach before he got here. Shane Beamer is like buying a lottery ticket, except that lottery ticket costs millions, not one dollar. Just did not make sense to me to put someone who has no experience producing a strong and winning program, into the shark-infested waters of SEC football.

It is very difficult these days to have a successful Head Coach leave a Power 5 program for another Power 5 program. It happens. But, it's rare. It seems to me that a school would want to hire a young Head Coach, one who has been successful at a lower level and is hungry to make a name for himself on the biggest stage of college football. And before someone says "Sparky Woods"....that was ONE hire. Sparky took over a program (Appalachian State) that was pretty good when he took over. Sparky later went on to be Head Coach at VMI, where he failed there as well. So, Sparky Woods is not a good example of the kind of coach we needed. Regardless, I'm afraid we are stuck with Beamer until Tanner retires.

 

[fowl_mood]

Is this a sort of rebranding like when The Zuck decided to change "Facebook" to "Meta"?

Lol. Yeah I had the same problem as them without all the money. Figured I should revert to form since I'm giving Beamer the 7-10 years needed to win. Uscmustwin seems a little out of place with this football program.

 

[rogue cock]

PF is being forthright. But nothing new. We know the process is never right with Ray.

If this process had anything to do with Ray, it would have been normal....and nothing to criticize about the process. Our process had way to many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[gamecock stock]

If this process had anything to do with Ray, it would have been normal....and nothing to criticize about the process. Our process had way to many cooks in the kitchen.

rogue, you seem to have some inside information. I got the impression, not from you, that the BOT was among the chefs. Beamer has said that he told his wife last year to tape the Muschamp show. That kind of tells me that the job was Beamer's nearly from the get-go. It almost feels rigged. But, I know little and claim less.

 

[rogue cock]

rogue, you seem to have some inside information. I got the impression, not from you, that the BOT was among the chefs. Beamer has said that he told his wife last year to tape the Muschamp show. That kind of tells me that the job was Beamer's nearly from the get-go. It almost feels rigged. But, I know li. ttle and claim less.

Our former president and several board members (not all) were part of the process and were in on the interviews after they got involved. Not sure if Beamer was the "shoe-in" candidate at the time they got involved, but after several former players supported him, it appears that he was.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Anyone who listens to the PF show deserves to be easily manipulated into being upset.

 

[gamecock stock]

Our former president and several board members (not all) were part of the process and were in on the interviews after they got involved. Not sure if Beamer was the "shoe-in" candidate at the time they got involved, but after several former players supported him, it appears that he was.

Hope those BOT members and the players feel real good about themselves. And I imagine our former President is getting a good laugh.

 

[Judson1]

Our best years in this conference just happened to be at the helm of a Hall of Fame coach. And to a lesser extent Holtz got above average SEC results for USC.
It “should” be apparent to the BOT, president and AD that it’s worth going out and getting a great coach, whatever it costs. It’s a necessity here if it isn’t anywhere else!
And it will pay back ten fold. We basically went bobbing for apples this time. No telling what type of coach Beamer will become. But that’s kind of the point.

 

[rogue cock]

Our best years in this conference just happened to be at the helm of a Hall of Fame coach. And to a lesser extent Holtz got above average SEC results for USC.
It “should” be apparent to the BOT, president and AD that it’s worth going out and getting a great coach, whatever it costs. It’s a necessity here if it isn’t anywhere else!
And it will pay back ten fold. We basically went bobbing for apples this time. No telling what type of coach Beamer will become. But that’s kind of the point.

Those type coaches are few and far between...and neither left us in great shape. Only know of one out there now who fits that type and he is still in high demand.

 

[gamecock stock]

Our best years in this conference just happened to be at the helm of a Hall of Fame coach. And to a lesser extent Holtz got above average SEC results for USC.
It “should” be apparent to the BOT, president and AD that it’s worth going out and getting a great coach, whatever it costs. It’s a necessity here if it isn’t anywhere else!
And it will pay back ten fold. We basically went bobbing for apples this time. No telling what type of coach Beamer will become. But that’s kind of the point.

Look at our history: Our one and only conference championship was led by a coach (Dietzel) who previously won a national championship. The first coach who won 8 games in a season (doing it twice), Carlen, had previously produced Top 20 teams at 2 different schools. The first coach to win 10 games here and produce 2 Top 20 teams, won conference championships at a prior stop and 10 games the year before hired by Carolina. Holtz and Spurrier's records speak for themselves. The formula for winning at Carolina in football has been established. For whatever reason, the hiring authorities chose to ignore that last year. It's a head scratcher, for sure. It would be enlightening to know the current thoughts of those responsible for the hire.

I'm not saying hire a big name coach. Just a coach even from a mid-major who has shown they can produce.

 

[Six Million Dollar Man]

Meh, he said he liked the hire numerous times. He's just piling on.

 

[SOSUSC]

Our best years in this conference just happened to be at the helm of a Hall of Fame coach. And to a lesser extent Holtz got above average SEC results for USC.
It “should” be apparent to the BOT, president and AD that it’s worth going out and getting a great coach, whatever it costs. It’s a necessity here if it isn’t anywhere else!
And it will pay back ten fold. We basically went bobbing for apples this time. No telling what type of coach Beamer will become. But that’s kind of the point.

Good points,

I am almost certain Beamer has a low probability of success here. When you are a rookie HC and have no coordinator experience, it is hard to attract good coaches. We had a Shane he even had NFL coaches wanting to join him. Where are they?

Adding to Beamer’s potential lack of success is that he has an AD who is not willing to make any big moves. Beamer needs a rising OC and DC. Not going to happen.

Very cruel fate, Gamecocks!!!

 

[rogue cock]

Good points,

I am almost certain Beamer has a low probability of success here. When you are a rookie HC and have no coordinator experience, it is hard to attract good coaches. We had a Shane he even had NFL coaches wanting to join him. Where are they?

Adding to Beamer’s potential lack of success is that he has an AD who is not willing to make any big moves. Beamer needs a rising OC and DC. Not going to happen.

Very cruel fate, Gamecocks!!!

Get off Tanner's back....there is no AD in the country that will tell a coach who to hire or fire on his staff. The moment an AD starts that is the moment that any decent coach is going to turn a blind eye to any position you have open.

 

[Dizzy01]

If this process had anything to do with Ray, it would have been normal....and nothing to criticize about the process. Our process had way to many cooks in the kitchen.

I’m curious what is your take is on the Bobo situation. The push to keep him on staff effectively blocked Ray from getting his man which was also a target for many on here and without the Bobo inclusion we don’t drag on enough for Shane to be involved.

I just haven’t gotten a feel on whether Tanner was for keeping Bobo or was just told that was what he had to do and he couldn’t push back enough.

 

[WingchunCock]

Look at our history: Our one and only conference championship was led by a coach (Dietzel) who previously won a national championship. The first coach who won 8 games in a season (doing it twice), Carlen, had previously produced Top 20 teams at 2 different schools. The first coach to win 10 games here and produce 2 Top 20 teams, won conference championships at a prior stop and 10 games the year before hired by Carolina. Holtz and Spurrier's records speak for themselves. The formula for winning at Carolina in football has been established. For whatever reason, the hiring authorities chose to ignore that last year. It's a head scratcher, for sure. It would be enlightening to know the current thoughts of those responsible for the hire.

I'm not saying hire a big name coach. Just a coach even from a mid-major who has shown they can produce.

We did that with Sparky Woods.

 

[Dizzy01]

We did that with Sparky Woods.

And then told him he couldn’t play in the bowl games his teams qualified for. I’m not saying he would have been successful but he was handcuffed here big time.

 

[rogue cock]

I’m curious what is your take is on the Bobo situation. The push to keep him on staff effectively blocked Ray from getting his man which was also a target for many on here and without the Bobo inclusion we don’t drag on enough for Shane to be involved.

I just haven’t gotten a feel on whether Tanner was for keeping Bobo or was just told that was what he had to do and he couldn’t push back enough.

The only thing I know about Napier and Bobo is that it was one of two issues that were being discussed between Tanner and Napier. I heard they weren't far apart....and got the feeling that Bobo was going to be let go...the financials just needed to be worked out to the board's satisfaction. Tanner has never had a problem getting that. However, any "offical" offer to Napier would have still required the approval of the president and the board....and have no clue how that would've turned out since Napier pulled out when asked to interview again for the position.

Also all this was occuring against the background of asking for additional bond approval for further stadium improvements and in a period that revenues were going to be lower due to covid.

 

[king ward]

And then told him he couldn’t play in the bowl games his teams qualified for. I’m not saying he would have been successful but he was handcuffed here big time.

It was detrimental. Sparky wasn't The Guy, but he didn't need the administration working against him, either.

 

[king ward]

Anyone who listens to the PF show deserves to be easily manipulated into being upset.

Or entertained by the manipulation.

 

[JamesRob]

So earlier this week we hear Finebaum might think Beamer is a good fit for Virginia Tech.

Now, he's trashing us for our hiring process that ended up with Beamer.

While I agree football coach hiring at USC is less than a well oiled machine, I think PF uses scenarios to buttress often opposing points.

And takes us down a notch in doing so.

Paul Finebaum criticizes South Carolina's hiring process for Shane Beamer

Paul Finebaum is not too keen on Shane Beamer, and he believes that South Carolina's coaching search plan may have been upended.

www.on3.com

uscmustwin has returned to his 1998 moniker fowl_mood

Paul plays his schtick and makes bank. In reality he is really good dude. I’ve been at some events with him/his spouse in CLT, solid guy.

 

[Stormcobra]

So earlier this week we hear Finebaum might think Beamer is a good fit for Virginia Tech.

Now, he's trashing us for our hiring process that ended up with Beamer.

While I agree football coach hiring at USC is less than a well oiled machine, I think PF uses scenarios to buttress often opposing points.

And takes us down a notch in doing so.

Paul Finebaum criticizes South Carolina's hiring process for Shane Beamer

Paul Finebaum is not too keen on Shane Beamer, and he believes that South Carolina's coaching search plan may have been upended.

www.on3.com

uscmustwin has returned to his 1998 moniker fowl_mood

Finebaum is a 0... He criticizes USC at every turn regardless of sport, wanting us to fall & stay behind Tenn in the East...

 

[tngamecock#]

You know what’s more comical than Finebaum…….this thread. So we have decided after 8 games at 4-4 that Shane won’t succeed here. The taters should have fired dabo after his 6-6 third season.

Here is a novel idea…..support our coach and team this year and next and see what happens. No problem with bitching about bad calls or bad execution cause I get irate during games. But this bullshit of beating down your coach ( which started two games into the season) in his first year is stupid. Sadly it’s symbolic of our society these days when people can lay on their couch and demand perfection from a keyboard but have none in their lives.

 

[SOSUSC]

Get off Tanner's back....there is no AD in the country that will tell a coach who to hire or fire on his staff. The moment an AD starts that is the moment that any decent coach is going to turn a blind eye to any position you have open.

So, you think Tanner is doing a good job?

 

[rogue cock]

So, you think Tanner is doing a good job?

For what constitutes the large majority of his responsibilities......absolutely.

 

[gamecock stock]

We did that with Sparky Woods.

Yes, we did. That was ONE time. How many times, in the past 40 years, have we hired a Head Coach who was not previously a successful collegiate Head Coach? THREE times. Seems to me we were due to look for a young Head Coach who had previous successful collegiate Head Coaching experience.

 

[king ward]

Those type coaches are few and far between...and neither left us in great shape. Only know of one out there now who fits that type and he is still in high demand.

It would be preferable to get a guy with great chops who is no closer to the end than he is to the beginning.

 

[ghostofpepsicock]

Finebaum is a carnival barker and is always trying to stir the pot…

 

[king ward]

Finebaum is a carnival barker and is always trying to stir the pot…

Isn't that great? He's just a non-black Stephen A.

 

[SOSUSC]

For what constitutes the large majority of his responsibilities......absolutely.

That is very revealing. You sounded like a Tanner fan. And what is he really good at? Tell us.

 

[Dizzy01]

That is very revealing. You sounded like a Tanner fan. And what is he really good at? Tell us.

Waving the rings and collecting checks. People still pay a pretty penny to shake hands and smile with Tanner for a phone.

 

[rogue cock]

That is very revealing. You sounded like a Tanner fan. And what is he really good at? Tell us.

Have gone through all that on several occasions. You can look it up if you wish.

However, it is doubtful our athletic facilities would be as nice as they currently are if not for Tanner.

 

[Gaimcock]

Is this a sort of rebranding like when The Zuck decided to change "Facebook" to "Meta"?

Say What??? I mean I don't even do Facebook, but is that comment legit?? Just curious!!

 

[rogue cock]

Say What??? I mean I don't even do Facebook, but is that comment legit?? Just curious!!

Stock symbol is changing....as far as I can tell that's all about the public will notice.

 

[Gaimcock]

Have gone through all that on several occasions. You can look it up if you wish.

However, it is doubtful our athletic facilities would be as nice as they currently are if not for Tanner.

He just has an odd hiring method. Give Beamer 4 more years and I think we'll all be glad we did.

JMHIFWIW, but we'll see.