Folks - This is the NFL. Do not get attached to any player.

[DeeDave]

This makes the transfers much easier to understand. The players are a flip of a coin. Plug and play.

On Average- nothing has changed


The better teams will always be good.

The average teams will always be average.

The bad teams will always be bad.

 

[Ward Jr]

It's the NFL without the guardrails - Salary caps, etc...Big distinction.

It's a funnel to the top -- an elitist's bottleneck.

The perennial best teams in college football now after an extra layer of protection from the rest of the class.

If you're a talented player at a blue blood school who can now also openly pay you whatever they desire, you're not going anywhere unless there's unusual circumstances.

We're currently a staging school trapped in the middle of the madness.

We have to compete against these big money schools but don't have the budget to move the needle.

We're a staging school for talent until something changes.

Either hope for a system change, a big benefactor(s), or a move to Conference USA where all of the teams are on more equal ground.

 

[gamecock stock]

It's the NFL without the guardrails - Salary caps, etc...Big distinction.

It's a funnel to the top -- an elitist's bottleneck.

The perennial best teams in college football now after an extra layer of protection from the rest of the class.

If you're a talented player at a blue blood school who can now also openly pay you whatever they desire, you're not going anywhere unless there's unusual circumstances.

We're currently a staging school trapped in the middle of the madness.

We have to compete against these big money schools but don't have the budget to move the needle.

We're a staging school for talent until something changes.

Either hope for a system change, a big benefactor(s), or a move to Conference USA where all of the teams are on more equal ground.

Are Missouri and Ole Miss that much more than us from an NIL standpoint? Both programs are now nationally relevant. It took Drink 4 years. We'll see if he can continue it. Kiffin is in his 4th year too. He began Ole Miss' upward trajectory in 2021. We will see if he can, too, continue.

We already have the 2024 schedule excuse ingrained. But, it will be Beamer's 4th season. By that time, he should have his players in place to be able, with good coaching, to spring an upset or two. We shall see.

 

[Ward Jr]

Are Missouri and Ole Miss that much more than us from an NIL standpoint? Both programs are now nationally relevant. It took Drink 4 years. We'll see if he can continue it. Kiffin is in his 4th year too. He began Ole Miss' upward trajectory in 2021. We will see if he can, too, continue.

We already have the 2024 schedule excuse ingrained. But, it will be Beamer's 4th season. By that time, he should have his players in place to be able, with good coaching, to spring an upset or two. We shall see.

I definitely believe Ole Miss brings in more money. Have no idea about Missouri.

Missouri's biggest card to play is that they are in the SEC and in the middle of nowhere from a SEC Conference perspective.

If talented players want to stay in the Midwest-West and play in the SEC, Missouri is an attractive option.

 

[DeeDave]

The salary cap is built in - the non-elite schools all have salary caps

South Carolina has a salary cap
North Carolina has a salary cap
Clemson has a salary cap

They just aren't all the same, but there is a cap.

the schools with no salary cap - is a small few- the elites that have always been at the very top of the chain - with maybe 1-2 exceptions.

 

[Ward Jr]

The salary cap is built in - the non-elite schools all have salary caps

South Carolina has a salary cap
North Carolina has a salary cap
Clemson has a salary cap

They just aren't all the same, but there is a cap.

the schools with no salary cap - is a small few- the elites that have always been at the very top of the chain - with maybe 1-2 exceptions.

The NIL/Portal is a huge additional layer to ensure those elite schools always remain above the masses.

If a big money school is not clicking or has holes to fill in any given year, now they can remedy almost immediately and with seasoned D1 talent.

Big time change compared to how things used to operate.

 

[DeeDave]

Yes- a big change.

But this is the American way.

 

[Ward Jr]

Yes- a big change.

But this is the American way.

It's actually not, though. Not at all.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

The salary cap is built in - the non-elite schools all have salary caps

South Carolina has a salary cap
North Carolina has a salary cap
Clemson has a salary cap

They just aren't all the same, but there is a cap.

the schools with no salary cap - is a small few- the elites that have always been at the very top of the chain - with maybe 1-2 exceptions.

LOL. That's not how a salary cap works.

 

[DeeDave]

It's actually not, though. Not at all.

of course it's the American way

college athletes are adults

they have a skill. That skill is worth a lot of money in the free market. People are willing to pay a lot of money for the skill.

There is no union or collective bargaining process in place.

Every individual is an entity himself - a very American thing

The other option is for the individual to be secondary to the group - not a popular concept at all with tens of millions of Americans.

 

[DeeDave]

LOL. That's not how a salary cap works.

It's the college version- of course it's not going to work like the NFL.

But college isn't the NFL. The NFL players are a union.

Colleges have a limited amount of money they can pay. There is a cap for every school.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

It's the college version- of course it's not going to work like the NFL.

But college isn't the NFL. The NFL players are a union.

Colleges have a limited amount of money they can pay. There is a cap for every school.

That makes ZERO sense. LOL

Of course every school has a "salary cap". It's called a budget. The purpose of a league salary cap like the NFL is to standardize those budgets across all the teams so that a team can't just outspend everybody.

What we have in college is exactly the OPPOSITE of that.

 

[DeeDave]

That makes ZERO sense. LOL

Of course every school has a "salary cap". It's called a budget. The purpose of a league salary cap like the NFL is to standardize those budgets across all the teams so that a team can't just outspend everybody.

What we have in college is exactly the OPPOSITE of that.

The salary cap in college is really the scholarship limit.

It's not really a budget. A budget is something that can be planned for- and is typically known.

NIL is moving target- at any time, a school will have a maximum they can pay for players. A "salary cap" of sorts.

Elite schools will have a large cap
Average schools will have an average cap
Lousy football schools will have a low cap

 

[DeeDave]

That makes ZERO sense. LOL

Of course every school has a "salary cap". It's called a budget. The purpose of a league salary cap like the NFL is to standardize those budgets across all the teams so that a team can't just outspend everybody.

What we have in college is exactly the OPPOSITE of that.

Tell it to Lane Kiffin

“We don’t have the same funding resources as some of these schools do through these NIL deals. So it’s basically dealign with different salary caps. We now have a sport that has completely different salary caps than some of these schools who have, whatever, five, 10 times more that they can pay the players. I know nobody uses those phrases, but it is what it is.”

 

[Ward Jr]

of course it's the American way

college athletes are adults

they have a skill. That skill is worth a lot of money in the free market. People are willing to pay a lot of money for the skill.

There is no union or collective bargaining process in place.

Every individual is an entity himself - a very American thing

The other option is for the individual to be secondary to the group - not a popular concept at all with tens of millions of Americans.

The Free Market at the professional level (NFL) where there are guardrails in place to sustain competition.

If you go to College, the Military, or work for a company following high school, you're an employee.

IMO, ALL college football players should receive $25K + Tuition, etc.

At that salary, we could have paid the entire team what we paid for Rattler for one season.

This would end the toxic class envy on teams.

Allow uber-talented high school players to go directly to the NFL or a combine, if they desire.

College Football is the final stage of amateur athletics.

There's still time to reverse course preserve any integrity left in the game if fans just say no.

 

[Ward Jr]

Tell it to Lane Kiffin

“We don’t have the same funding resources as some of these schools do through these NIL deals. So it’s basically dealign with different salary caps. We now have a sport that has completely different salary caps than some of these schools who have, whatever, five, 10 times more that they can pay the players. I know nobody uses those phrases, but it is what it is.”

He's actually being completely sarcastic with the salary cap point above.

Maybe you were too?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Tell it to Lane Kiffin

“We don’t have the same funding resources as some of these schools do through these NIL deals. So it’s basically dealign with different salary caps. We now have a sport that has completely different salary caps than some of these schools who have, whatever, five, 10 times more that they can pay the players. I know nobody uses those phrases, but it is what it is.”

He's using an analogy to say exactly the same thing I'm saying. Individual salary caps for each team driven by the market isn't a salary cap at all.

 

[hahnenkampf]

…or any coach.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

NCAA just needs to require that all players be hired by the schools, and in the terms of that employment, the schools owns all rights to their name, image, likeness while they are employees.

In the end, the real value behind their NIL is the association with the school. Create a NFL farm league, and their NIL value would plummet.

 

[DeeDave]

He's actually being completely sarcastic with the salary cap point above.

Maybe you were too?

He's not being sarcastic. He's called it a s salary cap a lot.

He's using it the exact same way I was using it.

Ole Miss has a salary cap. Alabama has a different cap.

 

[DeeDave]

The Free Market at the professional level (NFL) where there are guardrails in place to sustain competition.

The NFL isn't a free market. The NFL and the players have a collective bargaining agreement. They operate within those agreements.

you as a Libertarian/Conservative promoting caps on compensation, and not individuality sure is a strange outcome. LOL

Salary caps are set by negotiations between the NFL owners and the player's union.

I am not saying they are bad. But they don't apply to the NCAA.

Schools aren't paying a player a salary like NFL teams are doing. So an NFL type cap isn't even applicable.

Each school has their own cap in place- one that they don't directly control, but it's one nonetheless.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

The NFL isn't a free market. The NFL and the players have a collective bargaining agreement. They operate within those agreements.

you as a Libertarian/Conservative promoting caps on compensation, and not individuality sure is a strange outcome. LOL

Salary caps are set by negotiations between the NFL owners and the player's union.

I am not saying they are bad. But they don't apply to the NCAA.

Schools aren't paying a player a salary like NFL teams are doing. So an NFL type cap isn't even applicable.

Each school has their own cap in place- one that they don't directly control, but it's one nonetheless.

It's not strange at all. It was the foundation of amateur athletics, a league set up specifically to prevent money from determining the winner. We have a pro league. If money was the motive, players should go there, or a farm league should be set up. Highjacking amateur athletics wasn't the answer.

The hypocrisy is yours and the party of "equity".

 

[DeeDave]

It's not strange at all. It was the foundation of amateur athletics, a league set up specifically to prevent money from determining the winner. We have a pro league. If money was the motive, players should go there, or a farm league should be set up. Highjacking amateur athletics wasn't the answer.

The hypocrisy is yours and the party of "equity".

That "equity" you make fun of is called free market compensation. There is no system in place that guarantees every player will make the same amount of money. That is the old system. That would be "equity." You are lying to yourself there- not a new experience for you.

It is strange. Amateur athletics are played by adults- not children. Adults in the United States deserve to be compensated for their labor, especially labor that funnels hundreds of millions of dollars to the organizations that control their labor. That is a fundamental American principle that you supposedly care about.

The Supreme Court has affirmed that principle -specifically with respect to NCAA athletes.

You want a system where adults that are responsible for the immense financial rewards that organizations enjoy and benefit from don't provide appropriate, free market, compensation to the laborers that provide those financial rewards.

Thankfully, that hypocritical system is stone cold dead and isn't coming back.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

The NFL isn't a free market. The NFL and the players have a collective bargaining agreement. They operate within those agreements.

you as a Libertarian/Conservative promoting caps on compensation, and not individuality sure is a strange outcome. LOL

Salary caps are set by negotiations between the NFL owners and the player's union.

I am not saying they are bad. But they don't apply to the NCAA.

Schools aren't paying a player a salary like NFL teams are doing. So an NFL type cap isn't even applicable.

Each school has their own cap in place- one that they don't directly control, but it's one nonetheless.

And whether you want to argue over the semantics of a nil "budget" or "cap", the point is the same. Unless they are the same for each school, money will decide. That's why the NFL set up ONE salary cap for ALL teams, no individual salary caps. That's just stupid.

 

[ElectricalCock89]

Yes- a big change.

But this is the American way.

Would you prefer socialism and everyone equally suck?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

It is strange. Amateur athletics are played by adults- not children. Adults in the United States deserve to be compensated for their labor, especially labor that funnels hundreds of millions of dollars to the organizations that control their labor. That is a fundamental American principle that you supposedly care about.

The Supreme Court has affirmed that principle -specifically with respect to NCAA athletes.

You want a system where adults that are responsible for the immense financial rewards that organizations enjoy and benefit from don't provide appropriate, free market, compensation to the laborers that provide those financial rewards.

Thankfully, that hypocritical system is stone cold dead and isn't coming back.

They are compensated. School isn't free. Room and board aren't free.

And the organizations should reap the financial rewards. That's where the value is. That's why I've been to a million Gamecocks baseball games, and zero Columbia Firefly games. You could replace every player on the roster tomorrow at every school and put them in a farm league, and I'd still watch Gamecock/college football and every Saturday and not a single farm league game.

 

[DeeDave]

Would you prefer socialism and everyone equally suck?

Apparently you are so clueless you don't realize I've been posting 100% support for the transfer portal

and I am arguing against the people complaining about the transfer portal.

The right wingers on here that normally think the American version of the free market is one of the 10 commandments are the ones complaining about the ability for players to get as much money as they want at any time.

 

[DeeDave]

They are compensated. School isn't free. Room and board aren't free.

And the organizations should reap the financial rewards. That's where the value is. That's why I've been to a million Gamecocks baseball games, and zero Columbia Firefly games. You could replace every player on the roster tomorrow on every school and put them in a farm league, and I'd still watch Gamecock/college football and every Saturday and not a single farm league game.

As the Supreme Court itself said, limiting their compensation to tuition and room and board isn't enough.

Your employer providing you with free items in the break room, bathroom facilities, and training materials to do your job isn't enough. You get compensated for your time, and talent - if you have any.

The organizations do reap the financial rewards. No one has said they don't- or can't. Clearly- they are reaping the rewards or they would shut down their football programs, or athletic departments.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

As the Supreme Court itself said, limiting their compensation to tuition and room and board isn't enough.

Your employer providing you with free items in the break room, bathroom facilities, and training materials to do your job isn't enough. You get compensated for your time, and talent - if you have any.

The organizations do reap the financial rewards. No one has said they don't- or can't. Clearly- they are reaping the rewards or they would shut down their football programs, or athletic departments.

I get compensated very well in dollars for my time and talent because that's what I agreed to. If a company had a special situation that required me to be paid in other ways, then I would either agree to it and do it, or look for other options. If my ONLY option was a company that would fully support and develop me, then I would be very thankful for it. Not take advantage of it and play victim.

 

[DeeDave]

I get compensated very well in dollars for my time and talent because that's what I agreed to. If a company had a special situation that required me to be paid in other ways, then I would either agree to it and do it, or look for other options. If my ONLY option was a company that would fully support and develop me, then I would be very thankful for it. Not take advantage of it and play victim.

Football programs can close. They aren't required to stay open.

Players get paid for their time and talent. That's the system.

 

[Ward Jr]

He's not being sarcastic. He's called it a s salary cap a lot.

He's using it the exact same way I was using it.

Ole Miss has a salary cap. Alabama has a different cap.

What? Dave, he's mocking the budgets of different schools and the imbalances it creates.

Kiffin has gone off on the NIL many times and this is one of those times.

 

[Ward Jr]

The NFL isn't a free market. The NFL and the players have a collective bargaining agreement. They operate within those agreements.

you as a Libertarian/Conservative promoting caps on compensation, and not individuality sure is a strange outcome. LOL

Salary caps are set by negotiations between the NFL owners and the player's union.

I am not saying they are bad. But they don't apply to the NCAA.

Schools aren't paying a player a salary like NFL teams are doing. So an NFL type cap isn't even applicable.

Each school has their own cap in place- one that they don't directly control, but it's one nonetheless.

The NFL is a bidding war with caps.

Colleges are an institution for learning in the classroom and on the field.

Gavin Newsom was wrecked California and is doing the same for college football.

Something needs to give.

We can't have Freshman QBs making $10mil before they play a down.

College Football is prep work for a professional career.

It's now being exploited by the same woke crowd who have gotten everything wrong these last few years.

 

[DeeDave]

What? Dave, he's mocking the budgets of different schools and the imbalances it creates.

Kiffin has gone off on the NIL many times and this is one of those times.

He is talking about the built in salary caps that are in place.

pro leagues have a different salary cap because they have a collective bargaining agreement with the player's union.

College athletes are adults.

The NCAA can't prevent adults from earning money off their work, or their likeness. They can play for the amount of $$ that they can negotiate.

There is no union involved for players. Everyone athlete is an entity, a business.

Every team has a cap. It's not the same cap that pro leagues have for obvious reasons. But there is a cap.

 

[DeeDave]

The NFL is a bidding war with caps.

Colleges are an institution for learning in the classroom and on the field.

Gavin Newsom was wrecked California and is doing the same for college football.

Something needs to give.

We can't have Freshman QBs making $10mil before they play a down.

College Football is prep work for a professional career.

It's now being exploited by the same woke crowd who have gotten everything wrong these last few years.

Your mind is damaged by accusing everything of "woke." Your mind is diseased. You should seek therapy today.

Colleges use athletes to make money. Athletes are adults. Americans aren't working for free in a free market system where colleges make profits off the backs of the athletes.

Freshman are adults. They can make as much as they can make.

The SCOTUS has said so.

You want to implement an artificial system to control what adults can make- adults that do not have representation from a collective bargaining unit. That's not going to fly. The courts have said so and make it crystal clear.

I just turned on 107.5 to hear what Jay Phillips is saying- he's saying the same thing I am. He's 100% correct.

 

[Ward Jr]

He is talking about the built in salary caps that are in place.

pro leagues have a different salary cap because they have a collective bargaining agreement with the player's union.

College athletes are adults.

The NCAA can't prevent adults from earning money off their work, or their likeness. They can play for the amount of $$ that they can negotiate.

There is no union involved for players. Everyone athlete is an entity, a business.

Every team has a cap. It's not the same cap that pro leagues have for obvious reasons. But there is a cap.

I have no idea what you're talking about and rarely do when you discuss economics or financial policy.

A salary cap is an agreement or rule that limits the amount of money a school can spend.

Any school's particular budget is not a salary cap.

You're smarter than this.

 

[Ward Jr]

Your mind is damaged by accusing everything of "woke." Your mind is diseased. You should seek therapy today.

Colleges use athletes to make money. Athletes are adults. Americans aren't working for free in a free market system where colleges make profits off the backs of the athletes.

Freshman are adults. They can make as much as they can make.

The SCOTUS has said so.

You want to implement an artificial system to control what adults can make- adults that do not have representation from a collective bargaining unit. That's not going to fly. The courts have said so and make it crystal clear.

I just turned on 107.5 to hear what Jay Phillips is saying- he's saying the same thing I am. He's 100% correct.

Under this train of thought, do you believe we should be valuing what an individual in the military actually produces in terms of revenue to the United States and military contractors? They are adults too, Dave.

Should we be doing the same for those who accept jobs at companies? Certainly they are getting stiffed by the man too?

 

[DeeDave]

I have no idea what you're talking about and rarely do when you discuss economics or financial policy.

A salary cap is an agreement or rule that limits the amount of money a school can spend.

Any school's particular budget is not a salary cap.

You're smarter than this.

It is a salary cap- the college version.

A salary cap like the NFL is not possible for colleges.

you aren't smarter than this- and there is no hope.

 

[Ward Jr]

It is a salary cap- the college version.

A salary cap like the NFL is not possible for colleges.

you aren't smarter than this- and there is no hope.

So this is you realizing you were wrong now?

Dave, sometimes it's easier to lay on the sword than continue traveling down Convoluted Drive.

 

[DeeDave]

Under this train of thought, do you believe we should be valuing what an individual in the military actually produces in terms of revenue to the United States and military contractors? They are adults too, Dave.

Should we be doing the same for those who accept jobs at companies? Certainly they are getting stiffed by the man too?

1) Members of the military are employees. Athletes aren't employees.

However, is there a free market paying people financial incentives for their service in the military?

If the courts and the Supreme Court rulings don't prohibit it, I have no problem with it. The military might, and the courts can sort that out. But again, that's a different issue given they are employees.

2) Again, NCAA athletes aren't employees. So it's a different- issue. But generally, people that accept jobs at companies can benefit from numerous financial incentives if they are desired like athletes that are getting paid NIL deals.

 

[DeeDave]

So this is you realizing you were wrong now?

Posted yesterday

It's the college version- of course it's not going to work like the NFL.

You truly aren't an intelligent person- and can't read either.