Gamecocks vs Oklahoma game thread

[GoCocksFight2021]

Plenty of sane people have hired coaches that were just position coaches and those coaches end up being successful. Even winning national championships. And Beamer wasn't just a position coach. He has a ton of experience in all areas of the game under a lot of successful coaches. More than qualified to take the job and has proven it.

 

[Lurker123]

Plenty of sane people have hired coaches that were just position coaches and those coaches end being successful. Even winning national championships. And Beamer wasn't just a position coach. He has a ton of experience in all areas of the game under a lot of successful coaches. More than qualified to take the job and has proven it.

You're misusing the word "plenty".

And yes, he was a position coach. The fact that he was unprepared for a head coaching job is on full display.

 

[Lurker123]

LOL. Muschamp didn't have a fan anywhere near the end. You are the only person I've ever seen speak positively about him.

Well, you did, up until you changed your handle when muschamp was fired.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Then what was my handle before and all the support for Muschamp?

You won't find it because it doesn't exist.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And no, he had been associate head coach, assistant head coach, coordinator, and position coach. Under some of the best in the business. Multiple coaches that have won multiple conference and national championships. Broad experience in all phases of the game and the business.

Perfect guy for us to give a chance considering everyone knows we aren't hiring another Spurrier. Or even a Rick Rod. Or even a Napier who we couldn't even hire away from Louisiana. He still has a lot to prove, but he certainly has proven he deserved the chance. That's why he is still here.

 

[Lurker123]

Then what was my handle before and all the support for Muschamp?

You won't find it because it doesn't exist.

I'm sure that made sense to you while typing it.

 

[Lurker123]

And no, he had been associate head coach, assistant head coach, coordinator, and position coach. Under some of the best in the business. Multiple coaches that have won multiple conference and national championships. Broad experience in all phases of the game and the business.

Perfect guy for us to give a chance considering everyone knows we aren't hiring another Spurrier. Or even a Rick Rod. Or even a Napier who we couldn't even hire away from Louisiana. He still has a lot to prove, but he certainly has proven he deserved the chance. That's why he is still here.

The "assistant head coach" thing was at Oklahoma, right? Where just about every position coach had an extra title like that.

All the other talk about experience can be reworded to say he bounced around a bunch of position coaching jobs and no one thought he was good enough for a coordinator promotion. Almost like he had family connections or something.

And he's still here because of the notion of "giving him time", and Ray checked out of football hires about a decade ago. He has shown he's not ready, and the new AD will move on from him shortly. He's safe this year, as the new AD won't be in the office in time to make a change. And hell, maybe he wins a 6th game. I'm sure lots of people will pretend that's "overachieving".

Even you know it's coming. Thats why the "I'll support the decision if he's fired" talk started slipping out. That actually highlights your issue really well. You blindly support whoever is there. You'll blindly turn on them when they are fired, and you'll blindly support the next guy. Instead of actually thinking on your own if they're a good hire or not.

It is possible we hired a failure. Look no further than when you blindly supported muschamp as an example.

 

[uscwatson21]

Plenty of sane people have hired coaches that were just position coaches and those coaches end up being successful.

Generally, those coaches know how to hire coordinators.

Beamer hasn't shown the ability to do that.

 

[sclawman77]

 

[Ward Jr]

Generally, those coaches know how to hire coordinators.

Beamer hasn't shown the ability to do that.

More comical material from our ever-fading Troll.

Regardless of who is the HC, the "sport within a sport" among USC fans has been coordinator angst.

Outside of the Loggains question mark, the rest of the staff looks pretty solid -- starting with our DC.

 

[uscwatson21]

Outside of the Loggains question mark, the rest of the staff looks pretty solid -- starting with our DC.

White has looked competent in one year out of four. Of course, our fanbase is going to overreact and ignore that our defense is going to need a complete rebuild next year.

 

[Ward Jr]

White has looked competent in one year out of four. Of course, our fanbase is going to overreact and ignore that our defense is going to need a complete rebuild next year.

Nope. He was developing his side of the ball and performed quite nicely the second half of last season even though our offense did nothing to help. Your Instant Oats mentality has no bearing on our history.

 

[uscwatson21]

Nope. He was developing his side of the ball and performed quite nicely the second half of last season even though our offense did nothing to help. Your Instant Oats mentality has no bearing on our history.

Of course. Next year when our defense regresses back to what it was in years 1-3 you'll just argue he's working with "3-5x less talent than everyone else!"

 

[Ward Jr]

Of course. Next year when our defense regresses back to what it was in years 1-3 you'll just argue he's working with "3-5x less talent than everyone else!"

Sorry we're performing well this season. At least you don't have to post as much.

 

[uscwatson21]

Sorry we're performing well this season. At least you don't have to post as much.

This highlights the issue. We're on pace to go 6-6 and that's "performing well"

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Two coaches thought Beamer was good enough to be a coordinator. Two very successful coaches thought he was good enough.

Spurrier and Kirby Smart.

 

[Ward Jr]

This highlights the issue. We're on pace to go 6-6 and that's "performing well"

Were you this upset when Spurrier was doing the same in Year 4 of his tenure?

This team looks significantly better than the one from 2008 -- especially given the competition/results.

If the team makes post-season, you're probably looking at a 2-year extension given the schedule.

If that occurs, you'll likely want to fade deeper into that Foxhole.

 

[uscwatson21]

Two coaches thought Beamer was good enough to be a coordinator. Two very successful coaches thought he was good enough.

Spurrier and Kirby Smart.

Really rough day when you're comparing special teams to offense and defense when everyone knows that's a job for guys who can't coach offense and defense.

 

[sclawman77]

We led the SEC in defensive sacks coming into OU game. Add 9 more to that total. I believe it's 28 now. Travian Robertson has been a nice addition to the staff so far.

Okay I'm replying to my own post. We have the second most team sacks (28) in the country behind Boise State but we are also dead last in the country in sacks allowed (32).

 

[uscwatson21]

If the team makes post-season, you're probably looking at a 2-year extension given the schedule.

There will be no will for that after we lose to Clemson by 3 scores.

All the positive vibes right now are because guys have convinced themselves we're going to win 8-9 games. A&M, Clemson and Missouri are going to crush those vibes.

 

[hahnenkampf]

There will be no will for that after we lose to Clemson by 3 scores.

All the positive vibes right now are because guys have convinced themselves we're going to win 8-9 games. A&M, Clemson and Missouri are going to crush those vibes.

It doesn’t matter to me anymore what our record this year will be. Post-season Bowl games don’t matter either since players of teams not in the 12-team playoffs will likely hit the transfer portal or opt out for NFL draft workouts. They’ve ruined college football for me.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Really rough day when you're comparing special teams to offense and defense when everyone knows that's a job for guys who can't coach offense and defense.

There are 3 coordinator positions in football. A LOT of successful coaches have never been a DC or OC before they got their head coaching jobs. One has won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls. One in this state that has 2 national championships. Numerous others.

And lets not pretend to forget that Beamer just beat the everloving dogshit out of a head coach that was THE TOP PAID coordinator in all of college football just a couple of years ago. A coach that had far more talent on his team than Beamer.

 

[uscwatson21]

There are 3 coordinator positions in football. A LOT of successful coaches have never been a DC or OC before they got their head coaching jobs. One has won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls. One in this state that has 2 national championships. Numerous others.

And lets not pretend to forget that Beamer just beat the everloving dogshit out of a head coach that was THE TOP PAID coordinator in all of college football just a couple of years ago. A coach that had far more talent on his team than Beamer.

Haha oh lord. Does Beamer call plays like Andy Reid?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

There will be no will for that after we lose to Clemson by 3 scores.

All the positive vibes right now are because guys have convinced themselves we're going to win 8-9 games. A&M, Clemson and Missouri are going to crush those vibes.

LOL. Nobody has convinced themselves of that. People are happy for the win over Oklahoma. And I don't give a shit what you say about injuries. Injuries for us never stopped you from bashing our staff. Even with the injuries, Venables had FAR MORE talent at his disposal than we did, and we beat them like a mf drum. Most are happy. But you and others can never be happy with anything good that happens under Beamer because you are an obsessed, lunatic nutjob.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Haha oh lord. Does Beamer call plays like Andy Reid?

By your logic, Reid should have never been hired. Neither should Dabo. And Beamer already beat Dabo once at Clemson with far less talent. Knocked them out of the playoffs. Prevented him from getting a record number of wins in a row in the rivalry. Again, with far less talent.

 

[uscwatson21]

By your logic, Reid should have never been hired. Neither should Dabo.

You're using the unicorn examples. And in the case of Reid, Steve Mauriucci wanted to hire him as the offensive coordinator. Which is apparent by the fact Reid was capable of calling his own plays.

Dabo's success came from his ability to buy players. That's why we hired Beamer to be the bag man. But we live in the day and age where being the bag man is legal so it takes away the appeal or hiring Dabo and Beamer.

And Beamer already beat Dabo once at Clemson with far less talent. Knocked them out of the playoffs. Prevented him from getting a record number of wins in a row in the rivalry. Again, with far less talent.

And in the other two games we've scored one touchdown and weren't even competitive with them. If we lose to Clemson again are you going to continue bragging about the one win by 2 points?

 

[Lurker123]

Two coaches thought Beamer was good enough to be a coordinator. Two very successful coaches thought he was good enough.

Spurrier and Kirby Smart.

This is funny.

Two very successful coaches and a litany of others didn't let him sniff the coordinator spots.

This is embarrassing, even for someone as stupid as you.

 

[uscwatson21]

LOL. Nobody has convinced themselves of that. People are happy for the win over Oklahoma. And I don't give a shit what you say about injuries. Injuries for us never stopped you from bashing our staff. Even with the injuries, Venables had FAR MORE talent at his disposal than we did, and we beat them like a mf drum. Most are happy. But you and others can never be happy with anything good that happens under Beamer because you are an obsessed, lunatic nutjob.

Where am I saying Venable is a great coach?

But he fired his OC for being as bad as Loggains. That's probably a sign he will be a better coach in the long run. Beamer would have already been fired if he was the HC at a program like Oklahoma or Florida.

 

[Lurker123]

Okay I'm replying to my own post. We have the second most team sacks (28) in the country behind Boise State but we are also dead last in the country in sacks allowed (32).

One side playing well, and one side falling flat.

Just imagine if we had an OC worth anything.

 

[Lurker123]

A LOT of successful coaches have never been a DC or OC before they got their head coaching jobs.

You're misusing the word "lot".

 

[Lurker123]

It doesn’t matter to me anymore what our record this year will be. Post-season Bowl games don’t matter either since players of teams not in the 12-team playoffs will likely hit the transfer portal or opt out for NFL draft workouts. They’ve ruined college football for me.

I get the sentiment. But if you're going to lay out expectations, imo, qualifying for a bowl is a minimum.

As for the transfer portal ruining things, I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Urban Meyer. Never an OC or DC or ST.

Won 2 national titles.

 

[uscwatson21]

Urban Meyer. Never an OC or DC or ST.

Won 2 national titles.

Remind us all of where he got his first HC job

 

[Lurker123]

Urban Meyer. Never an OC or DC or ST.

Won 2 national titles.

I think we need to spell out what "a lot" means.

But take Urban Meyer as even an outlier example. He went straight to HC at Bowling Green. Then Utah, THEN to the SEC.

Notice how he didn't make the jump to the SEC till his third job. Beamer would still be in his second middling job if he followed this path. And given the results, wouldn't be in contention for an SEC job.

 

[Ward Jr]

And given the results, wouldn't be in contention for an SEC job.

This is ridiculous.

He's performing as well as Spurrier over a similar timeframe.

He's got a tougher schedule and a limited budget.

If the AD had an option to get rid of Beamer today with no bailout, they wouldn't do it and that would be the correct decision.

You need to get out of that Foxhole.

 

[hahnenkampf]

I think we need to spell out what "a lot" means.

But take Urban Meyer as even an outlier example. He went straight to HC at Bowling Green. Then Utah, THEN to the SEC.

Notice how he didn't make the jump to the SEC till his third job. Beamer would still be in his second middling job if he followed this path. And given the results, wouldn't be in contention for an SEC job.

Interesting side note: Urban Meyer’s Bowling Green team was the canceled game the week of 9-11. That may have been a gift because his team was beginning to get national recognition that year.

 

[Lurker123]

Interesting side note: Urban Meyer’s Bowling Green team was the canceled game the week of 9-11. That may have been a gift because his team was beginning to get national recognition that year.

I did not know that. It is certainly a small world.

 

[hahnenkampf]

Interesting side note: Urban Meyer’s Bowling Green team was the canceled game the week of 9-11. That may have been a gift because his team was beginning to get national recognition that year.

The November 10 game played host to ESPN's College Gameday, a first for the program. A game against Bowling Green was scheduled for September 15, but was canceled in the wake of the September 11 attacks.[7] The game was never played. South Carolina added Wofford to the schedule to replace the open date originally scheduled for November 3.[8]

 

[uscwatson21]

The November 10 game played host to ESPN's College Gameday, a first for the program. A game against Bowling Green was scheduled for September 15, but was canceled in the wake of the September 11 attacks.[7] The game was never played. South Carolina added Wofford to the schedule to replace the open date originally scheduled for November 3.[8]

That Wofford game was my first ever visit to Williams-Brice.

 

[uscwatson21]

He's performing as well as Spurrier over a similar timeframe.

Have to admire your confidence with being so wrong.

Just encapsulates your political opinions so perfectly. You would think at some point you would realize you’re constantly wrong about things.

But instead you just change usernames and switch sides of a position and ignore that you were wrong.